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Simon Rosenberg

Posted: June 12, 2008 04:13 PM

More Evidence of An Obama Bounce, Other Thoughts on The Fall Election


As Andres Ramirez, Vice President for NDN's Hispanic Programs, reports, MSNBC and the Wall Street Journal have released a new poll showing it 47-41 Obama-McCain, very similar numbers to previous polls over the the last two weeks. Some thoughts on where the race seems to be now:

There should no longer be any doubts about Obama's general election appeal, or his ability to put together a winning coalition -- four major polls now show the same thing -- an African American with a funny name is clearly defeating a celebrated and universally known American war hero, who in this race is more incumbent than challenger. While we have a long way to go, consider this passage from the new MSNBC analysis, which shows Obama winning among Hispanics, women, white women, Catholics, independents and blue-collar workers:

In the head-to-head matchup, Obama leads McCain among African Americans (83-7 percent), Hispanics (62-28), women (52-33), Catholics (47-40), independents (41-36) and even blue-collar workers (47-42). Obama is also ahead among those who said they voted for Clinton in the Democratic primaries (61-19).

Yet among white men -- who made up 36 percent of the electorate in the 2004 presidential election -- Obama trails McCain by 20 points, 55-35 percent. "That is the reason why this election is close," Hart notes.

In addition, McCain leads Obama among white suburban women (44-38), group which makes up about 10 percent of all voters that Hart calls "absolutely critical" for both candidates in the fall.

However, Obama has a seven-point advantage (46-39) among all white women. How important is that lead? Newhouse explains that Republican candidates always expect to win white men by a substantial margin, but it is white women that usually decide the race. "If a Republican wins among white women, we usually win that election," he says, noting that George W. Bush carried that group in 2000 and 2004.

Among Hispanics McCain is showing surprising weakness Obama surprising strength -- As we've written before, McCain is now 15 points net below Bush's 2004 numbers with Hispanics. This shift with this community, voting at much higher numbers than 2004, could end up swinging four states Bush won to the Democrats -- CO, FL, NM, NV -- and perhaps making AZ and TX competitive.

McCain is not ahead in a single state Democrats won in 2004 -- New polling out this week shows Obama now leading McCain in MI and WI, two states he had previously been ahead in. One of the arguments the McCain camp has been making is that he has the ability to play on Democratic turf. NDN has long believed this argument to be more spin than reality, as the it is hard to believe that in this year of a very damanged GOP brand with a weak, wobbly candidate at its top that McCain could break the lock of the 17 states equalling 248 electoral votes Democrats have won in each of the last four elections. With the only two (MI, WI) of these 17 states McCain had been leading in moving to Obama, the race is now moving to nine states Bush won in 2000 or 2004 -- CO, FL, IA, MO, NC, NH, NM, NV, VA and perhaps other states like AZ, MT and TX (see these electoral college maps NDN has produced to help visualize all this).

I am not in any way suggesting that states like MI and WI won't be contested by McCain, but the notion that there is a clear opening for him in these 17 states with 248 electoral college votes is more spin than reality. Look for the candidate time and TV ads to begin moving to these other states, which are the true 2008 battlegrounds now. For more on the emergence of a new post-Southern Strategy electoral strategy for the Democrats see our recent magazine article, a 50-Year Strategy.

We are seeing a very new electorate emerge in 2008 -- Every poll has to make assumptions about the composition of the electorate to produce its results. Given the huge increase in turnout this year of African-Americans, Hispanics, Millennials and women, and an enormous shift in party ID towards the Dems, this electorate will look very different from any electorate any pollster has ever seen before. This electorate will not only be much more non-white than any electorate we've ever seen, it will be much less white and male than any electorate we've ever seen, and have fewer Republicans than we've seen since at least 1982, perhaps even 1966 (see this essay for more on the growing power of minorities in American politics).

It will also be important to not overstate the role of independents in the race. In the hyper-partisan era of Rove and Bush the number of unaffiliated voters has dropped, with independents only making up 26 percent of the electorate in the last two elections, significantly down from the general rule of thumb of one-third D/R/I. Bush has created more partisans, and from 2004 to 2006, more votes shifted in the two parties than it did among independents, as partisans now outnumber independents by 3:1. Democrats owed their victory in 2006 more to what happened with the two party's partisans than what happened with independents.

Thus, one of the key numbers to watch this year is how well each candidate is doing with their own partisans. If Democrats continue to outnumber Republicans in the electorate by 10-15 points as they do now, it will be just as important for Obama to keep 92-95 percent share of Democrats as it is for him to win independents. And the same is true for McCain. If his weakness with the GOP base causes his share with his own partisans to drop below 90 percent, he will have a very, very hard time winning this election. See this post for more on the declining clout of independents.

Remember that Kerry won both independents and moderates in 2004 and still lost. Bush did much better with his partisans than Kerry did with his. For both Obama and McCain, their partisans will outnumber independents in their own coaliton by at least 3 to 1, and thus at least as much attention needs to be paid to these voters as the media's holy grail of the independents. Thus, in this election I think you will be seeing much more attention being paid to each party's base -- for different reasons - than in past elections. Given the intensity and much more highly networked Democratic base, this is a big, big problem for McCain.

One question pollsters should start asking this cycle should involve the likelihood to take an action on behalf of a candidate. My guess is that Obama supporters are twice as likely to do something for their man than McCain supporters, which in this networked age when a supporter can do so much more than ever before, could become a huge differentiator in the fall election.

Overall, in our much more partisan and networked age, when the barrier to enter into politics has been so lowered, the partisans in both camps have become much more important than they were in late 20th century politics. There are more of them then before, and with all the new tools, there is much more they can do to help their candidate - money, advocacy to their social networks and neighborhoods, voting.

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As Andres Ramirez, Vice President for NDN's Hispanic Programs, reports, MSNBC and the Wall Street Journal have released a new poll showing it 47-41 Obama-McCain, very similar numbers to previous poll...
As Andres Ramirez, Vice President for NDN's Hispanic Programs, reports, MSNBC and the Wall Street Journal have released a new poll showing it 47-41 Obama-McCain, very similar numbers to previous poll...
 
 
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hardlyhikin
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01:51 PM on 06/13/2008
Does anyone know how polls acquire their data? I'm under the impression they call a statistical cross section of people on the telephone. My question really is how do they account for voters who don't have land lines. I don't think they are allowed to call cell phone numbers and my guess is most younger voters have ONLY cell phones. Do pollsters get their data from any source other than land line telephones?
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
01:08 PM on 06/13/2008
What is missing in this analysis is that the other side has not yet worked their swiftboating magic. By November, a significant portion of voters will believe that Obama is a terrorist, probably one of the 911 highjackers, or worse.

Then there are also the dirty election tricks that were pulled in Florida and Ohio.

The Dems need a solid plan to deal with these problems or Obama will go down just like Gore and Kerry.

To me, that would be the one advantage of having Hillary on the ticket. She obviously relishes the role of attack dog. By constantly attacking the other side, she could keep them off balance, and hopefully neutralize the swiftboaters. The Dems also need to have be completely on top of election shenangans. Trying to make a case for election fraud after the fact is hopeless, because you can't make accusations stick without backing from the MSM, and they will be solidly behind McCain.
01:02 PM on 06/13/2008
Yet the generic polls (one without candidates named) say the Democrats have a much bigger advantage over Republicans. i.e. Obama is running far behind the generic polls in what should be a year for a Democratic landslide. That may mean his lead will continue to grow as people become aware of what a false "maverick" McCain really is and as the obvious preference for "change" works to Obama's favor. Or, God forbid, it may mean the ability to grow a safe lead does not exist and the Republicans can generate enough "fear and loathing" to pull out another miracle at the finish. I am not at all comfortable with the polls right now. That McCain is within six of seven points is scary.
01:48 AM on 06/13/2008
Good, in-depth post...though way too early for polls to have any significant meaning.
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politicalgenius
Mr. Too School for Cool
10:26 AM on 06/13/2008
Definitely agree with you on this one. The information, while encouraging, cannot be taken completely seriously yet. The numbers are sure to drift in any direction for any of the groups listed. September will be a better barometer of the weight of these numbers. That said:

OBAMA '08 - Si, se puede!
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12:00 AM on 06/13/2008
What's surprising about McCain & Hispanics? The GOP's chance of gaining ground in this demographic died on the day a few months back when the clamor from the party's outraged anti-immigrant (read 'xenophobic') base forced the climb down on immigration reform and drivers' licenses.
11:38 PM on 06/12/2008
Looks to me that these polls show a need for someone like Jim Webb or Joe Biden as the VP perhaps even Wesley Clark.

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BlueOnBlue
275 Republicans Voted to Kill Medicare
10:02 AM on 06/13/2008
So, more white men who don't like Obama will vote for him if he has a real guy as VP? Unless they expect Obama to not finish his term, why would they do that?

Webb is an especially dumb choice. He's anti-Iraq war, but conservative on almost everything else. The idea here would be that you'd vote for Obama because you'd expect his VP to reverse almost all of his domestic policies.
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veteran1964
10:45 AM on 06/13/2008
I agree. Even though I am a white man and am a vet, I would never vote for McCain....There is more racial divide with white men than white women. Also most of these white men for McCain are people that think their guns are going to be taken away. They think that tax cuts really help them in daily life, but don't realize that money is being taken away from them in other areas to pay for those tax cuts....I have found in my long life that most white men that are Republicans really have no idea about economics and think that tax cuts rule their party and are the best thing for the economy. If tax cuts are great for the economy, how come BUSH's largest tax cuts in history have ruined the economy for the last seven years...Good for the economy huh? CEOs and Big business have made more money in the last seven years than in the last 70. Sickening...Grow up people......Or, if I see you at the gas station bitching about the high prices, I will remind you of the Republican administration and why you should not vote for them.
08:29 PM on 06/15/2008
The Numbers: Obama vs McCain on Taxes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNyNv_UfFUo
11:07 PM on 06/12/2008
It's still too early for these polls to be taken very seriously. Right now, McCain is being dragged down by his association with Bush and by his own lies, gaffes, and blunders and associations with scumbag lobbyists like Charlie Black. But the corporate media are desperate to keep his head above water. McCain is one of the best friends the telecom industry ever had. They'll do anything to put him in the White House. Whether or not Obama can withstand the deluge of smears and rightwing spin that the media are unleashing on him remains to be seen.
08:30 PM on 06/15/2008
So the telecom is really McCains running mate?
10:09 PM on 06/12/2008
It's a long time to November.

I remember how Candidate Kerry was going to win in 2004. All he had to do was be the "not Bush".

Instead of sitting around congratulating ourselves on some imagined great victory in November, we should all be out there working to make sure it happens. And if so is a landslide that turns the Republican Party into the Whigs of our day.
09:47 PM on 06/12/2008
No one ever mentions Bob Barr who will run on the Libertarian ticket - will he be a factor - will he pull repubs away from MC?
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jericho4119
01:46 PM on 06/15/2008
He will certainly be a factor in Georgia, which - combined with increased turnout of the under-35 demographic and black voters - may put that state in Democratic tallies come November. Also, as the Libertarian ticket will be on ballots in all 50-states, the Ron Paul voters will be up for grabs come November and many of them may vote LIbertarian too.

(NB: all weasel words above are necessary for any "prediction" on what is to come this fall. No one really knows)
09:06 PM on 06/12/2008
THE WRITING ON YOUR VIRTUAL WALL...
"Obama's [campaign]... has been an organizational wonder, the political equivalent of crossing a Lamborghini with a Hummer. From the beginning, the Obama campaign has run circles around its foes on the Internet, using MySpace, Facebook and other Web tools to develop a virtual army of more than 1 million donors. The result has been fundraising numbers that have left opponents slack-jawed (last month Obama raised $40 million, compared with Clinton's $20 million).
- Peter Beinhart, Op-Ed Columnist, Washington Post, April 8th, 2008

"I was on a panel with Robert Boorstin, a senior Google executive.... he talked about the world's 1.4 billion Internet users and the way that numbers growing by 250 million a year... about the 10 hours of video being uploaded on YouTube every minute of every day... about the worlds 3 billion mobile devices, with another billion coming in the next three years. He described the largest increase in expressive capability in the history of the human race.
Connectivity: pass it on. We need an American president who embodies it, in Berlin and, eventually, in downtown Tehran."
- Roger Cohen, Op-Ed Columnist, NYT, 12th June 2008

"Neither. I'm an illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all the assistance I can get."
- John McCain, asked whether he uses a PC or a Mac, Yahoo! News, June 12th 2008
07:26 PM on 06/12/2008
Obama certainly does not need Hillary to help with the women's vote. The "18-million glass ceiling" of her acceptance speech was only one last sexist Clinton crock. The white women of Iowa started him off, and more women than men attended his huge rallies everywhere, while Hillary attracted the bitter gun-toting blue-collar males who voted for her not because she was a woman but just because she is WHITE.
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Snowball
08:46 PM on 06/12/2008
Time to drop it and move forwards. Allow the Clinton supporters some breathing room, OK? Anyone who wants to keep rehashing the primaries to the detriment of the Obama campaign I'm branding as an Operation Chaos troll.
09:08 PM on 06/12/2008
Seconded. Time to move on.
11:32 PM on 06/12/2008
I'll decide when I'm done having fun, thank you very much! After the sh#t we've had to put up with!?! Yeah, you label me anything you want, but don't call me late to dinner- sweetie!:) The old establishment is about to lose their power and it scares them. I couldn't be happier. You talk like reconciling has to be US admitting to some kind of guilt- puuleeeze. We overcame astounding odds and supported a candidate NO ONE in Vegas would have bet on a year ago. Nah, I'll decide when I'm done.
10:25 PM on 06/12/2008
And Bill's wife.
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nikto
07:22 PM on 06/12/2008
This 50+ White Male is voting for OBAMA, baby.

I know a bunch of others like me as well.

I guess I'd know more McCain voters if I had
more friends with no education.

But I just get along better with smart, sophisticated people.

So nearly all my friends are for Obama.

Does that make me a librul "Elitist"?

Cool!
10:10 PM on 06/12/2008
"...Does that make me a librul "Elitist"?..."

Ya know...it ain't what one *THINKS* they are that makes them what they are, it's *WHAT* they think. I recall the old stories on the evening news and in newspapers about enterprising reporters who would show the "average man in the street" a list of "proposed" amendments to the Constitution. The interviewee often declared the "changes" a damn commie plot. Those changes? The Bill of Rights.

Some "conservatives" are, in truth, liberal in thought. Some "liberals" are conservative, if not fascist.
11:34 PM on 06/12/2008
My smart, sophisticated, successful, talented male friends over fifty have no interest in voting for Obama. Guess we don't travel in the same circles. I think that makes me an elitist.
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Querent
I just had to say that.
11:59 PM on 06/12/2008
No, it makes you a Repig, and apparently a star-struck one at that.
07:05 PM on 06/12/2008
Very thoughtful intelligent post. Thank you. Very positive outlook for the Dems and for Obama. Also delightful not to hear about Hillary or who will be vice president. This news, which I am seeing as well, is good news for the nation, good news for other nations, good news for our children and all the children, and good news for our suffering planet.

Will Obama solve all our problems? No. Unless he be a Roosevelt and our times call for such. How much change can he realistically accomplish in the face of real world budgets and a continued Republican Party and the many strands and demands of the Dems themselves? Its hard to tell, but Obama can be no worse than the current occupant, Chimpy. And it looks like he may be a lot better.

My one suggestion is to take up hunting, at least to show he is not anti-hunting. Lots of white males(not me!), particularly the rural less educated white males, care as much if not more about hunting and fishing as they do about abortion. He could win them over by taking a shot at it. They would respect that.
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Querent
I just had to say that.
12:02 AM on 06/13/2008
They would think he was a phony. If he wants to appeal to them, and I hope he does, his best bet is to simply announce that gun control is only an issue when semi-automatic weapons are in question, and that the rights of hunters and other law-abiding gun-owners are inviolate.
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veteran1964
10:47 AM on 06/13/2008
I have been a hunter all of my life and I have never used an AK-47 to shoot grouse. So the idea of gun control is not taking the guns out of hunters hands and handguns out of the LEGAL owners hands, but rather trying to limit IDIOTS from getting possession of guns and KILLING YOUR CHILDREN. So white men...GROW UP and smell the real roses....Not the ones fabricated by the Republican Party.
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hardlyhikin
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02:03 PM on 06/13/2008
Limiting gun ownership is going to be a moot question pretty soon anyway - none of those rural white male hunters are going to be able to pay $5 or more a gallon for their Republican gas to drive out in the woods to go hunting. Keep voting against your own self interests Billy Bob!
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07:03 PM on 06/12/2008
Very interesting and heartening analysis. I'll make a couple of minor points:
1) The word "bounce" implies a temporary improvement. I think it's more of a post-primary consolidation, with Clinton partisans lining up behind the Democratic nominee. However reluctantly they may be doing that now, I believe they're on board to stay.
2) Obama's strength among Latinos in the recent polling is a pleasant surprise. I had been advocating picking Gov. Richardson for VP to bring the Latinos on board at 70%-plus, but I'm wondering now if that's necessary. Perhaps Obama can use the VP pick for other purposes now.
3) I've been all over the boards asking this, but haven't gotten any answers, so I'll ask again: Why isn't anyone (except me, apparently) talking about Sen. Carl Levin for VP? He has national security credentials (as chair of Armed Services), is a blue-collar champion and likely changes Michigan from purple to blue.
Thanks again for the thoughtful and optimistic analysis!
06:41 PM on 06/12/2008
This article is music to my ears. I hope the White men in the 55% supporting MCSame will be smart enough to think of this country's future and indeed, our country's reputation around the world. If any of them read the article, "Obama and Soft Power", on this site, they will understand how valuable an Obama Presidency is. I hope they also read Frank Schaeffer's(sp?) piece warning Repugs and angry Clinton democrats. Thank you for a great article.