“It seems like you are kinda missing mets' point. If you start to muddle around with a certain class of jobs too much, then there will indeed be an impact on "adjacent" classes of jobs (i.e. those that require a slightly more specialized set of skills and are commensurately more difficult). If the wage is raised to $15, you will naturally attract supply (workers) from more difficult or demanding jobs that no longer have a compensation delta. Over time, the wage required to re-attract supply back to that 2nd class of jobs must go up in order to re-balance that class of jobs, ultimately impacting the cost structure for those firms that have a significant portion of the more demanding (class 2) jobs. Not saying that this is good or bad, nor that it will impact all job classes, but saying that it will certainly impact some of them.”
“Give me a break. You cannot use this bizarre story as a characterization of the entire sport. There are 10s of thousands of us who played for years and had a great experience. Plus, pro football is a whole different ballgame, and a very small subset.”
“Before we start vigorously patting ourselves on the back too much for being so enlightened, remember that we are only 150 years removed from legal slavery in this country which, in the scheme of things, is not all that long. A lot less time since women got the vote. It's not like we are that radically far advanced.”
Ladybug1 on Oct 25, 2013 at 16:51:06
“You're right ; but women have been driving a lot longer-I'm proud of that.”
“I do not disagree that it has a significant impact on the employees themselves. However, it has very little impact on the overall economy.
This is a zero sum game. Every dollar that is not used to pay the non-essential fed gov employees must displace a dollar that ultimately originates from a revenue source.
Look, the fed gov is bloated and inefficient, and this needs to change.”
suki21693 on Oct 2, 2013 at 17:58:40
“You might be shocked to discover that most government employees agree that the bloat and inefficiency needs to be addressed, but it is outside of their power to do so. Congress won't do it because it is harder than crying and appealing to the stupidest among us.”
suki21693 on Oct 2, 2013 at 17:57:19
“Yeah, this does nothing at all to address the bloat. Nothing. That is what Congress should have been doing for the past year, but instead they have done nothing but play political games. Most of the new members of Congress still have no idea how the government even works.”
“800,000 people spent the day at the gym or beach or just watching TV, pretty confident that they are going to get back pay for this anyway. I know several of them and they are laughing at us chumps.”
suki21693 on Oct 2, 2013 at 17:25:39
“Really? That is not what I am seeing around DC and surrounding regions. At all. There is no confidence that they will get paid, and most people want to get back to work because they have stuff to do - the longer that stuff waits, the more there is to do. ”
“You're right. There was a hard-hitting piece of reporting on here yesterday that referenced the need to turn off the panda-cams at the national zoo. Who is making the essential vs. non-essential decisions anyway?”
“800K people furloughed for a little while has virtually zero impact on the economy as a whole. Is this really the best argument that have against the shutdown? Some trumped up Keynesian multiplier impact from the furloughs? Let's be honest, that does not say much for the value of service we are being provided by these people, does it?
Implicitly, won't the $$$$ not spent on the 800K furloughed workers accrue to taxpayers? Doesn't this side of the equation benefit the economy to the same extent and degree?”
suki21693 on Oct 2, 2013 at 17:24:08
“1.) We have no idea how long this will last and you are just flat wrong about it having zero impact. Those workers are in concentrated areas and could have huge impacts in those regions. 2.) No. For two reasons, first the government will not mysteriously decide to return our money and second, those 800,000 government workers, ARE TAXPAYERS too.
The best argument against the shutdown is that it is a friggin' inconvenient mess created by childish legislators who are unwilling to just do their jobs, which sometime involve sucking it up. And it is a horrible way to treat employees and fellow human beings.”
And even w/i the the fed gov, the only people furloughed were those tagged as non-essential. Man, if you have been classified as non-essential within the federal government you must be reeeaaallllyy non-essential.”