“there already is a group that might work for that, it is called American Heritage Girls, and are promoted a lot by the hate group behind this video. The AHG website looks...well, go google if you want. Besides being exclusively Christian (they were formed in 1995 when the Girl Scouts said they would not FORCE girls to say God in their promise, instead allowing them to substitute the deity of their choice...I know, can you imagine? the nerve. ), they definitely would never allow gay people. So hopefully she joins them, and leaves GSUSA alone.”
“Girl Scouts welcomes all girls, gay and straight and transgender, and the same thing applies to our adult membership, which includes the same diversity, in fact, even MORE diversity. For example, a gay OR a straight man can be a GS leader, and a married couple, (heterosexual), ran my troop. Speaking as a GSUSA member/former employee, and also for the many I have met as a member/employee of that wonderful group, we don't need, or want, a "Gay Scouts" organization.... Girl Scouts is open to all.”
Goddess Athena on Jan 13, 2012 at 15:06:04
“Thank you! As for former Girl Scout, I am glad to see more people speaking out in support of this issue. Girl Scouts was never about discrimination or inclusion. It is about strength, leadership, learning, and acceptance. I'm happy to be your first fan.”
“Said it before and will say it again...Support GSUSA for their open-minded and compassionate stance on this, and on so many other important issues.... they have always been a progressive, intelligent, and wonderful force in the world. Find out where you can get cookies HERE www.girlscoutcookies.org I am so proud to be a Girl Scout!!”
“Everyone should do a little digging about this on this website www.honestgirlscouts.com mentioned in the video, and the facebook pages and other websites that site directs you to. What you end up finding is a (seemingly small) group of Catholic Anti-Choice/Anti-Gay activists championing and trying to create a movement against Girl Scouting. Under fire are GSUSA's generally progressive attitudes, and the perceived ties of WAGGGS to Planned Parenthood. Father Frank Pavone, who runs a retreat for people "recovering" from abortion, is involved in these websites, and Abby Johnson, known anti-choice activist, is also prominently featured on one website www.girlscoutswhynot.com next to Jane Petry Smith (who appears front and center on www.honestgirlscouts.com) They are also advocates for the Christian-based American Heritage Girls as a viable "alternative" to GSUSA's "liberal agenda." To summarize, this video is almost certainly a scripted one, and was engineered or at least is being exploited as part of a mounting campaign against Girl Scouts by extremists who want to "reclaim" the organization to be anti-gay, and anti-choice. Ick.”
mggwa on Jan 12, 2012 at 14:21:58
“Thank you for revealing the extent of discontent with the Girl Scouts. I think many people do not appreciate how much it has changed and become a mouthpiece for the activist left.”
“this woman is definitely a moderator for one of the hateful facebook pages launched in this smear campaign against GSUSA (see my earlier comment on here for details on them.) Apparently C-FAM, or one of their members, is also involved, according to the post this woman made here. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000024777299&sk=wall”
“As a longtime Girl Scout (as a child and as a leader/camp counselor) it is funny to read in these comments (like yours) how few people really know what a progressive and welcoming community GSUSA really is, and what an advocate for GLBT community they have been for YEARS. Many, many gay people work at GS councils, and at the summer camps, etc...they have never been discriminated against like in Boy Scouts (at least not officially, I can't say there are no bigots, but in my time I have never met one). I've sort of been waiting for the haters in the rightwing to notice, to be honest, and it only took them about 20 years from when I figured it out. Swift, really.”
“After looking around online, it becomes obvious that this girl is just a pawn in a smear campaign being launched against GSUSA. The website visible in the video --www.honestgirlscouts.com-- defames Girl Scouts for its tolerant attitudes and welcoming community, it has hate-filled fliers you can print, etc. The site broadly attacks WAGGGS and GSUSA for their continued dedication to educating young women about the choices they make, and for what THEY have decided are the unsavory partners for individual troops to work with (Planned Parenthood chief among them). In a flier that you can print on the site, they openly attack GLBTQ involvement in scouting, infer that the organization is promoting a pro-Marxist agenda, denounce Planned Parenthood, and claim that cookie sales are "child labor." It is nothing less than a true smear campaign that has facebook pages and several websites, all preaching the same message. It is difficult to discern who exactly is ultimately behind it, although snooping a little does bring up repeatedly the names Jane and Jennifer Petry, of Missouri, and a youtube video starring them that has an identical message to this girls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z0JZl6_45c. Whether they are the primary backers or just supporters is hard to say. Anyway, if you support Girl Scouts current leadership, and their continued commitment to diversity, compassion, and helping ALL girls become strong, empowered women, buy some extra cookies this year! mmmmm cookies :)”
“this is a hilarious post, i laughed out loud!
as scared as I always was of McCain being president, it truly was nothing compared to my utter disbelief that this woman could be vp (or president.) Truly terrifying. And a beauty queen to boot...be still my feminist little heart. I agree with absolutely nothing that this woman stands for. just when you think the GOP can't sink any lower......”
Mar 14, 2008 at 13:21:34
“im not sure a city containment policy is the best answer, i never said that. thats like having a "dry county" and thinking it is going to keep people from driving drunk through it on their way to somewhere else. so yeah, you are right, our gun policies are also failing us in our cities, since we are basically putting a bandaid on a bullet wound in those specific cases where we got terrified and went for the all out banning. we need to do it as a country. and i really believe we will. it just has to get worse first. and its going to.”
Mar 14, 2008 at 12:43:29
“sorry, i was corrected by someone on this, and apparently they were wrong. shouldnt listen to everyone, apparently. my bad.
but i still dont see why this country has this fixation on guns.
and i think that until we stop having this fixation on guns, we will keep having mass murders in our colleges. Period. Ok Im done now :-)”
Mar 14, 2008 at 01:11:13
“actually, its in the constitution, not the bill of rights. but it is worded as a "right," so many people make that error. no biggie. but either way, its been an amendment that his been turned over and over again and studied for years bc of the semantics involved. it was considered confusing from the beginning. but you are right, maybe most americans would agree that a centuries old document cant be touched even if it is doubtful the men who wrote it anticipated massacres in the schoolroom, and the highest gun death rate of the 25 richest countries of the world. but no, not every single country is an example. you asked for 3, i gave you 3. two of which where they even speak english (and french...sorry quebec). but im not going to start trying to segment up the country to try and prove less stringent local laws on guns causes more deaths too. i feel my answer of other countries is enough. much as you may feel that the rest of the world is irrelevant. i think this is where we hit the wall ;-)”
CaveatMagnusFrater on Mar 14, 2008 at 11:34:40
“I suggest you find out what you're talking about before commenting. The Bill of Rights are the 1st 10 ammendments in the U.S. Constitution.”
1will on Mar 14, 2008 at 02:23:57
“Why not list North Korea, China and Cuba as well? Maybe we can adopt their laws since you can't list 3 American cities with successful gun control laws and a low murder rate.”
Mar 13, 2008 at 22:52:16
“hey, iwill was just asking where stricter gun laws have made a difference. those are my answers.
and soaring maybe they are, that i dont know, but i do know they have a LOT of soaring to do to catch up to this country.
we are number 1 in at least this respect, thats for sure, at least among industrialized nations. a dubious prize.
and our right to bear arms has always been a hotly contested constitutional law issue, as well it should be. and needs to be. and will continue to be until we, as a nation, get sick of watching people die in largely preventable shootings.”
1will on Mar 14, 2008 at 01:27:04
“So despite gun control in DC, Detroit, Baltimore, etc you don't wish to give any American gun control meccas where firearms are banned and crime is nonexistent?”
Mar 13, 2008 at 22:38:15
“funny, i never would have pegged this publication as one that would propagate junk science, but here is what they said:
Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 43 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense. [ Kellermann and Reay, N.E. Journal of Medicine]
slightly different statistic then what i was saying, but i think you get the general idea with that one.”
1will on Mar 14, 2008 at 00:23:47
“Actually the Kellerman report you mention IS Junk Science.
The report list homocides for King County, Washington from 1978-1983. I wouldn't call one county in the US representative of the entire country. If I used one county where there happened to be many defensive firearms cases would you be willing to accept that as representative of the entire USA?
Regardless of the one county out of thousands Kellerman could have chosen, his statistics and reasoning are flawed. Having a gun in the home does not mean it will be used against you or your family. It doesn't mean that gun is a danger to you. His study stated that more people murdered in that ONE county had guns in the home than those that didn't. It's unfortunate that we don't know how many of those murdered were felons posessing illegal guns or how crime ridden the neighborhoods were. We do know that 333 of the 389 deaths he used for his study were suicides, 12 were accidents and 3 were unknown. 41 were homocides and a gun was used defensively 9 times (that resulted in a death).
What we don't know is how many times a gun was used defensively in King County, Washington during that time period without resulting in a death. Are we to believe all defensvie uses of a gun results in a fatality? Doubtful. Usually just showing a gun is enough to deter an attacker. They seem to prefer the defenseless.
I'm done arguing your junk science report. I've seen it quoted by too many anti gunners to blindly believe their 'Facts.'
Below is a link to those that refute the Kellerman report much better than I can. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html
For some reason my links usually have to be typed in a search engine or address bar. Clicking on them on the Huffpost usually doesn't work.”
Mar 13, 2008 at 22:27:12
“I will give you three examples... the UK, Japan, and Canada, all of which have stricter controls than us and far fewer gun related deaths. Canada's deaths by firearm have steadily decreased since they passed stricter laws in 1995.”
1will on Mar 13, 2008 at 22:55:08
How about 3 places in the US with strict gun control yet low crime rates? It's great to trumpet the low gun deaths in Japan, Canada and the UK but they are different countries with different laws, cultures and most importantly, different borders.
If you want to play that game I could say Russia, Columbia and South Africa all have very strict gun control yet a much higher murder rate than we do. But again, we're talking about different laws, countries and culture so it's irrelevant.
By the way, suicides make up about half of the gun deaths in the US. Including suicides in our gun death statistics is misleading as crime is the problem with which we are concerned. Peope will find a way to end their lives if they wish. Japan, with almost total gun control, has a higher suicide rate than the US.
Half of the remaining gun deaths in the US are criminals killing other criminals. As Canada, Japan and the UK don't have our drug or gang problems I don't see how using them as a comparison is relevant.
So how about those 3 places in the US with tight gun control where there is little or no crime?”
Berettasskeeter on Mar 13, 2008 at 22:38:40
“What do we do about that pesky 2d Amendment, which enshrines a Right considered by our Founders to be a pre-existing, pre-eminent Right. Those other countries have never had such a right, though England came closest to it. Now, their murder, assault, and injury rates are skyrocketing, while ours are merely being trumpeted.
Japan, the UK, and Canada, also have laws that prosecute self-defense, habeas corpus is watered down, wiretapping and searches are much easier than here. What other Rights would you have watered down in your inane search for illusory security?
Mar 13, 2008 at 16:36:16
“so im not sure, given what you said in a previous post, what you think this young man should have said. that they should be able to carry concealed weapons at a college campus?? why should there even be questions about this? do you guys honestly think college students should be worrying about fighting fire with fire in the classroom? This is lunacy. All we need to do is look to the many models where modifying gun laws has made a significant positive impact on gun related deaths, and come up with some new framework for our laws. its obviously past time already when we are starting to contemplate which gun we should give our daughter as a high school graduation gift.”
1will on Mar 13, 2008 at 21:50:15
“Why not let a few students carry concealed if they wish? Only a small percentage of those attending college would want to carry and as a group concealed carry permit holders are the most law abiding in the country. The question is, what is to gain by disarming the most law abiding group in this nation? Is there some benefit for having a room full of helpless twentysomethings when a shooter decides to commit a massacre?
I do think a few college students worry about fighting fire with fire. If they didn't you wouldn't have groups of students lobbying to have their rights to carry restored. There are college students carrying concealed in Utah colleges and we have not heard of any shootings. We have also not heard of the drunken shootouts or accidents that anti gunners love to predict. It seems all of the anti gunner horror stories about concealed carry on campus are a bit overblown. The same thing happened in the 1990's when the majority of states started issueing concealed carry permits to citizens that wanted them. The anti's cried that there would be shootouts in the streets after every fender bender and every argument would end in a "Wild West Shootout" (obligatory western anti gun metaphor). This too never happened and was a gross exageration.
Where are the models of where gun laws have made a positive influence on gun deaths? You brought this up so please list several.”
Mar 13, 2008 at 13:42:17
“why dont we ask someone from Great Britain how they do it? since they have had stringent gun laws for years and life hasnt turned into Gunfight at the OK Corral yet...in fact, just the opposite. That whole if good guys dont have guns only bad guys will idea is flawed. There is nothing that says we cant continue to prosecute black market weapons. And noone even talks about taking guns from the police. But the truth remains, legally procured guns are often murder weapons too. And here is another tried and true one...that you are more likely to die as the victim of your own gun than by any other gun. Guess that right to bear arms isnt all that fabulous of a right after all. The gun laws we have (or rather, dont have) are archaic, and our foolishness in preserving them exactly as they are is part of the same machismo complex that has led us astray as a nation, both at home and abroad.”
Berettasskeeter on Mar 13, 2008 at 22:45:00
“Actually, crimes involving firearms are on the rise in the UK. You can get that from the newspapers, no need to listen to the NRA if you don't wish to. Additionally, self-defense has essentially been criminalized, with plenty of examples of people being prosecuted for defending themselves, their families, and their property. Home invasions are steadily rising. Gang violence is on the rise.
Your point is dead wrong, and I for one don't care a bit what the rest of the world thinks of us!
1will on Mar 13, 2008 at 21:57:26
“I saw one study done years ago that stated a person with a gun in the home was more likely to be injured (or the family) with that gun than an intruder. It was a pretty sobering study until it was fully read.
It seems the researcher picked his counties where the shooting occured. Instead of picking all of the thousands of counties in America or even a random sampling the researcher picked areas where a home owner was shot with his/her own gun. So he basically discarded info on counties where guns were successfuly used in a home defense and just included those areas in which a home owner had his gun used against him.
Not exactly the most scientific research in the world. Anti gunners have been quoting this junk science for years.”
Mar 12, 2008 at 15:40:20
“well, with all respect, it seems to be "fixing the problem," to some extent, in a lot of other places. and actually, some countries have also put limits on their fast food chains, ie, you cant SuperSize in every European country. And wow, look, overall they have less of an obesity problem in most of Europe. Not a bad move if you care about your citizenry. But anyway, last I checked, noone came into a cafeteria and starting shoving Whoppers down children's throats. But they have walked in and started shooting them. I think your analogy is off.
Of course we need to address the underlying problems. However, that could take a while.....meanwhile, how many other innocent children are killed?? And the gangster culture you speak of is arguably a byproduct of our societal reverence for firepower.
Isn't it JUST possible that the problem of gun killings might be linked also to guns themselves? There haven't been a ton of mass stabbing incidents that I recall. Other countries have recognized this type of meaningless violence as something intrinsically tied to the degree of gun accessibility in their nation. It's high time we got our head out the sand and recognized this fact as well.”
Feb 6, 2008 at 11:33:02
“Wow, i am so glad you dont live in my country anymore. did you use the word "hotness" right there? and say that it is a given that only slim women are hot? have you ever studied anything about cultural standards of beauty? How they vary? And you think you speak for all men? Talk about presumptuous. You remind me of guys I knew in college that rated girls 1-10 all the time. Grow up, frat boy. Relationships are not built on hotness alone. And here is one you may have heard before-- beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
goat666 on Feb 6, 2008 at 21:20:23
“I doubt that knowing what one finds attractive requires 'study'. In any event, name calling is something most of us abandoned in elementary school.”
Feb 6, 2008 at 11:17:45
“I wonder why it is I gained the weight? Because looking at pictures over the course of my life, I am pretty sure it was in the womb. Did I have image issues then? I have been somewhat heavy (by conventional standards) my whole life--really. It has also never stopped me, physically or emotionally, from doing what I want to do. My biggest hurdle has been dealing with prejudice and the unrealistic body standards placed on women-- which I think conribute to the whole range of eating disorders, including obesity. I think sometimes we need to get back to the things we learned on Sesame Street-- that some people are big or small, some are short or tall-- and stop this obsession that you can only be attractive or happy if you weigh a certain amount. Relax. Go to therapy, sure, and if there are demons, slay them. Go to the gym if thats your thing. Eat less processed food. But some of us just like our food, and our metabolism isnt quite speedy enough to keep up. More and more studies are confirming how much of this stuff is genetic. And you know what? I get hit on as I am now. Men arent so fat-phobic as the media leads you to believe. Anyone can be beautiful. Anyone. Teach children that, and I guarantee most of them will find their health right along with their happiness. But lets not assume being heavy=being unhappy.”
Nov 14, 2007 at 12:41:15
“what? i dont even understand your comment. what does reading a serious novel have to do with anything? i think its pretty obvious that Mr Tonello just wanted to blog about something he thinks people should see. Too bad its wasted on you.”