Thank you for your response. I don't let Chavismo off the hook. I lived in Ven in my teens and I still remember the National Anthem as it was played several times a day on all stations in the 80's. In a polarized world, to criticize the opposition means to be in the Chavez side when the truth is so far appart. Prima facie, my concern is that there were elections, and the protests are just crowd manipulations aimed at a violent regime change. Zoom out and you will see the strategy. That's what I am against. I don't defend Chavismo, and I have a suspicion of associating so close to Cuba, but the people spoke, fight at the ballot box.
aeth on Feb 26, 2014 at 14:37:16
“DC...thanks for your reply. I guess since I know so many family and friends who were Chavista in the beginning and now join those protests....despite all the voting, I intimately know the protests are much more than what you describe...these are people surviving massive crime with no enforcement and a continually worsening infrastructure as well as tighter government controls making goods less available to all people...regardless of class. Voting is not trusted and there have been quite a few manulations. The problem with voting in this situation is that the chavistas are those destitute poverty receiving goodies ONLY if they were to vote for Chavez. And apparently there is enough government enforcement available to check up on voters who DO vote against...as people I personally know who we're turned down passports for the officially stated reason being the way they voted. Add to that Chavez trying to discredit opposition votes pretending the voter names were made up as well as offering citizenship to neighboring countries to cross the border and vote for Chavez...for perks...at the cost of public $$. Add to that the fact that Chavez died a billionaire and I have a hard time being very skeptical of a very large portion of the population protesting....and getting shot for it...even as it is peaceful. Sorry...it is easily one sided right now...and Chavista is not going to win this fight for justice.”
“I am sure this is very emotional, but destroying the country because you are a sore loser at elections? I'm not defending anything but addressing that despite the number of things that are wrong with Chavismo, the opposition did not win. What is scary is turning Venezuela into a piss pot country that can not be governed”
aeth on Feb 25, 2014 at 12:25:10
“"Destroying the country"
The problem with your assumption is you do not understand what already has been destroyed:
1. No law enforcement. Murder rate at all time high and higher than anywhere else in the Caribbean.
2. No more balanced powers within the government. The Executive (ie...president) has acquired more powers for the executive branch than ever before. This means direct presidential control over the Supreme Court (Judicial) as well as legislative branch. The president has exercised direct control over the press as well...completely unprecedented. Significance: We can not call this a Democracy based on this imbalance of power. Thus, the vote (which was always suspect) is manipulated....resources within the president's power (but owned by the people) given to the destitute for their votes...and only as long as they vote.
3. Funded ONLY by the surge in price per barrel by low grade heavy oil deposits...mismanaged now because of completely being managed by inexperienced presidential friends.
4. Control by Cuba. Oil goes to Cuba in exchange for security, military training, and intelligence by the Castro regime.
5. Communism. Chavez stated many times as well as proposing implementation of his plans to turn Venezuela communist. Chavistas mostly ignore this, but don't understand it is truly a plan of the current admin.
It HAS been turned into a piss pot country. That is recognized by anyone with an education who lives there, anyone who is trying to survive there.”
“The egyptian revolution fell for the deep state manipulation and now it is as if they never had one (not to mention thousands 'oppositions' killed to no scrutiny like you place on maduro) Think about it, middle and upper class are burning the streets because there is no bread? The middle class??? The opposition has had every election to win over the people and has failed. So burn the country, right? Get past the name calling and absurd guilty-by-association 'lol's”
aeth on Feb 24, 2014 at 20:23:32
“There hasn't been a middle class in Venezuela since about the 1990s...LOL. Do you even know where this place is on a map?
Rich and those with money left Venezuela shortly after Chavez took over. There just ain't enough of them there to make these numbers. The photos I see? Loads and loads of poor.
Oh - do you think the shanty towns comprise the poor only? Haha!! Those are the destitute...those with absolutely nothing to lose. They'll vote for you for s stick of gum.
But who turns the wheels of that country's economy? The destitute aren't doing it. poor and lower middle is all that is there. They can now not feed their children because retailers are forced to sell goods at a loss...so they shut down. All foreign companies kicked out as "imperialist" threat (laughing with Russian accent).
No international travel, no food, highest murder rate, no enforcement of criminal laws (except to save your big buddy M), no free speech, ...
...you really want to defend this?
Constitution rewritten by the president, president then rewrites it AGAIN to propose his term is for his entire life (which it was....in a less painful to Venezuela way), Government refuses passports to all who voted against the president. Executive powers now control the entire government.
“Like I said, this may be over your head though, the tactics of population control that aim at destabilization to promote unrest and regime change are as plain to see here, as are reasons why the GOP likes to pass voter fraud laws that are solely aimed at preventing urban, and likely democrats, from voting. The manipulation of the population can not be glossed over some rich Harvard kid wanting food, freedom travel, and press. Which by the way, you make No effort to provide proof from a non-biased source as to those statements. The largest oil reserves in the world can not be allowed to be controlled by a non-free marketeer because of the influence is t buys and the loss of dependency, therefore, it is likely that the long-term goal is to remove maduro, who was elected a few months ago, from power by manufacturing shortages, raising prices (hello inflation) to whip up the people's anger. Just like here, Obama doesn't control the economy, and it is the powerful elites that control the goods and commence of what is produce, and delivered to consumers. It is simply, a supply crisis. One that is controlled by those who ultimately benefit from destabilization, e.e, Capriles et al. This was done in Egypt, where an inept newly elected president was victim of this type of manipulation. Continued....”
aeth on Feb 24, 2014 at 20:17:02
“"The manipulation of the population can not be glossed over some rich Harvard kid wanting food, freedom travel, and press."
I think you saw in the past where Chavez and Bush hated each other, agreed that Bush was bad, and then put Venezuela into a box that should be on your side. I KNOW Venezuela...very well. Been there many times have family there. Harvard could not be a more disconnected lost idea when talking of this subject. Perhaps by "Rich" you mean not living in a shanty town with a destitute life? Because the rest of the population (not the shanty towns) are protesting.
What you ignore is the real and obvious manipulation of population by CHAVEZ/ MADURO (not the rich - unless you understand Chavez had made himself a billionaire by robbing the central bank - thus Chavez = The Rich). Are any of those destitute any better off today? NO...of course not. The system created kept them in poverty...period.
The "Rich" to whom you refer are not really a threat to this administration because they left long ago when they could...after all, THOSE had the money. Nope - this is all Chavez and what he created. Nothing more...no yanquis, no rich guys (other than Chavez/Maduro).”
“It is unfortunate that the tactics used in Egypt and Ukraine to remove governments not aligned with free-marketeers continue being used in Venezuela. What does the opposition want? And if they don't get it through democracy, then to hell with the country? And the media describing the poor man who was almost decapitated going home from work because these so-called students place a wire rope across the road in the dark is now a 'a government supporter who raced into a barricade on a motorcycle'? DO people understand that you are not allowed to destroy property during the protests, and if they do, it is the government's duty to stop it? As soon as Morsi was in power the deep state refused to work with him creating shortages of fuel that miraculously disappeared when he was removed. Not a fan of Yanukovych, but he was elected like Morsi, like Maduro.”
8reign on Feb 25, 2014 at 07:59:15
“oh... WE ARE NOT THE "OPPOSITION" - we are el Pueblo. Somos el Pueblo, basta de la manipulacion chavista de llamarnos la oposicion. ESTAMOS A FAVOR DE VENEZUELA - #FueracubadeVenezuela”
8reign on Feb 25, 2014 at 07:58:05
“You do realize that a great deal of the damage is caused by the Colectivos? They are also ransacking supermarkets to use hunger as a weapon against the "guarimbas".”
aeth on Feb 24, 2014 at 18:48:12
“"What does the opposition want? "
Food (so stop forcing retailers to operate at a loss, under penalty of imprisonment).
Freedom of travel (lift restrictions of international travel)
Freedom of the press
Security owed them by the state - ie...police enforcement of murder and theft laws.
"Not a fan of Yanukovych, but he was elected like Morsi, like Maduro. "
...and like Saddam, Putin, and Ahmadinejad...ALL elected. LOL”
“Of course you would, he is a terrorist to you. And they were not done anything to them by Israel either, in a perfect world. But Is rael is not a Saint nor pure from original sin, and the violently occupies and marginalizes millions of Palestinians without end. Remember this:
“If I were a Palestinian of the right age, I'd eventually join one of the terrorist organizations.”
So, I tried to explain to you that it doesn't matter that, to you, they are terrorist, to them they are not. Is called reality, is simple as that. You can get all self-righteous about it, but the facts are that Israel by releasing 26 prisoners is finally honoring an agreement made 20 years ago. In the meantime, 5000 REAL homes for 15000 settlers will be built. So cry me a river, the facts are Israel is stealing land while the media listens to you cry.”
Robert Eckert on Nov 1, 2013 at 15:58:02
“He is not a terrorist "to me", he is a terrorist objectively, if the word is to have any meaning. (And yes, before you start, there have been Israelis who also fit that description).”
“...cont...When Israel signed the accords, Israel agreed to release those same prisoners. Ipso facto, the releasing of the prisoners is an obligation that Israel made 20 yrs ago when she signed Oslo that, albeit emotional, Israel had reneged on doing. Do you think Netanyhu would concede on releasing prisoners without getting anything back? Come on, with Hamas he got at least Shalit. The United States could even coax him to extend the so-called settlement moratorium for 3 mos in exchange of $3Bn. Don't be naive.”
“cont...When Israel signed the accords, Israel agreed to release those same prisoners. Ipso facto, the releasing of the prisoners is an obligation that Israel made 20 yrs ago when she signed Oslo that, albeit emotional, Israel had reneged on doing. Do you think Netanyhu would concede on releasing prisoners without getting anything back? Come on, with Hamas he got at least Shalit. The United States could even coax him to extend the so-called settlement moratorium for 3 mos in exchange of $3Bn. Don't be naive.”
“Violence in Israel and Palestine doesn't happen in a vacuum, can we agree on that? Having said so, I find myself agreeing to the implication of feeling offended for letting murderers go. Also, the Israeli terrorist is a Palestinian resistance fighter, we can agree on that sentiment whether we believe it or not, can we? We can also agree on the Oslo II accord that spelled the conditions of release of Palestinian prisoners. When Israel signed the accords, Israel agreed to release those same prisoners.”
Robert Eckert on Oct 31, 2013 at 23:38:04
“"Also, the Israeli terrorist is a Palestinian resistance fighter, we can agree on that sentiment whether we believe it or not, can we?" No, I utterly reject the notion of calling someone a "resistance" fighter whose actions had nothing whatsoever to do with "resisting" anything. The Resistance in occupied France, for example, obstructed German military operations: that is what "resisting" means.”
“For a teacher you don't know that settlements have always been illegal? What kind of mindwarp have you gone through to not know that?”
Teacher 15 on Oct 30, 2013 at 22:06:36
“Get a 5th grader to not find the word "illegal" in the article. Home construction is so "illegal" that building more was agreed to by Kerry and Abbas if Israel agreed to release prisoners. She did, so stop squawking.”
“I tried to reply you earlier , but the word that sounds like nubca is censored, i meant to say that you got half the story right. to think that it was not until israel needed immigrants and was created on top of Palestine was when the Jewish minorities were unfortunately forced out. Albeit they lived among Arabs for millenia. But lets not be like you'd like to be, throwing stones in glass houses, unless you are really meaning that Palestinians DO have a right to return from being "either killed or exiled from the territory" in 1948”
q uant on Oct 31, 2013 at 13:01:12
“The Jews murdered and expelled from Jerusalem in May 1948 by the Arab Legion were mostly Jews who lived in Jerusalem for at least few generations, some of them had lived there for centuries before being expelled.”
“"In short, Israel builds things, arabs blow things up. " lol, "I'm not racist, my best friend is an Arab!”
tallen on Oct 30, 2013 at 19:12:56
“Try reading the news
Here's a few items:
013.10.30 (Makhachkala, Dagestan) - Two people are killed and fifteen more hospitalized when fundamentalists bomb a liquor store.
2013.10.29 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A suicide bomber walks into a house and slaughters eleven people around the dinner table.
2013.10.27 (Hurriya, Iraq) - Five people at a market are sectionalized by an al-Qaeda bomb blast.
2013.10.27 (Mosul, Iraq) - A Holy Warrior detonates a suicide vest amid a crowd of people, snuffing out the lives of fourteen.”
“People who are forced out of their homes to be bulldozed should know better than to raise a hand against it right?
[Quintus] “People should know when their conquered.”
[Maximus] “Would You Quintus? Would I?” Gladiator, 2000”
Teacher 15 on Oct 30, 2013 at 19:40:41
“"People who are forced out of their homes..."
That would be in 1948, when Jewish people were "forced out of their homes" in East Jerusalem--where Jews had a presence for centuries--and were either killed or exiled from the territory. (And it's "they're conquered")”
“I take it because it is tax deductible. We should not be incentivizing the occupation and ILLEGAL land grabs, at a minimum, the money that Adelson gives should be deduced. He is part of the problem”
who38 on Nov 2, 2013 at 12:14:46
“Couldn't agree more. Think all donations that support a religious principle should be denied charitable deduction status including Adelson and all Jewish groups, the RC Church, the WeBaps, and the Mormons, all of whom are organizations who use religion to hide behind political agendas.”
“Is amazing how 26 prisoners who should have been released 20 years ago are the real wool over our eyes while 1,500 new settler homes are built. In a year that saw 70% increase in settler building, with reports that they classify the construction as rural construction so that no tenders are announced and that the building may continue without the backlash. So, to put it in perspective, it takes a wolf in sheep's clothing to know one. Is the world not tired of being fooled by Netanyaho?”
Robert Eckert on Oct 31, 2013 at 04:14:25
“None of those prisoners should ever have been allowed to walk free again. How long do you think someone who murdered your family members should serve?”
Teacher 15 on Oct 30, 2013 at 19:34:57
“"Is amazing" how letting murderers return to the pleasures of life, which they robbed from innocents, including a Holocaust survivor, is somehow equated with DISCUSSIONS about building homes on land Jews have lived in for centuries. And Jews have paid tens of millions to private property owners in EJ and the WB”
anton123 on Oct 30, 2013 at 18:06:30
“"who should have been released 20 years ago"
Why? They are convicted murderers. Why you claim such a bold claim knowing nothing of their crimes? Basing your silly statement on nothing else but hatred towards Israel.”
“Remember those settlers are being bankrolled by folk like Adelson, Lauder, Moskowitz, and Sabin who declare those funds as a tax deductible expense on their US taxes. another way that your tax dollar is at work.”
“Yes that is true. But many officers decide to leave once they are passed over promotion that depends in the recommendations of the 3 immediate superiors of the officer, therefore, if his OER was not exemplary, there is little to hang around for if you are blacklisted. On the other hand, he is probably in the IRR, or Individual Ready Reserve, to which he can be re-activaded, not re-enlist.”