“After going through lots of thought exercises and also tagging along with a trans friend for months and talking with my friend about thoughts and feelings and emotions at each situation in life, I have come to realize a lot more.
I have great respect for trans people who come out and I have empathy for the ones who remain in the closet without transitioning and those who remain in stealth after transitioning.
One thing I've learned is that "transgender" is not an identity in itself, but rather a journey to be who someone truly is. That end-point may be as the other social gender or as some gender in between or no gender at all.
Our society is too caught up with gender of people we will never have sex with. We really need to get over ourselves and learn to empathize better with others whose struggles we may not completely understand.”
“I truly hope Janet's documentary does not end up looking like all the movies we've seen so far about trans people.
Most currently available movies and documentaries make trans people's struggles look shallow and vain.
Having worked for a trans manager in the past, who I never knew was trans until I moved on to another job, I now have a great friend who confided in me her gender identity. I cannot best represent the trans community.
However, I recognize now that there is a deep self-identity which trans people have which does not reflect in the shallow gender categories which the general population believes there is. Empathy is a skill which most of us lack, but it is only through empathizing that we can understand what they go through.
Empathy is putting yourself in another person's shoes, but in order to do that, you must first be able to remove your own shoes. This is very tough for non-trans people to do because we are influenced by our own more comfortable gender identity which matches our social gender of male or female.”
“Okay, I think you need to empathize more. Let's take an example, and I give you this example from experience running a clothing business in the past.
Let's say, you own a clothing company. Your target market is women, all women, women in general.
Women can be thin, fat, short, tall, petite, plus size, ... genetic or trans. You want to reach all women in your target market. Your company's profits and thereby your company's existence depends on making ALL women feel welcome to your stores.
So some of your ads will depict plus size women. Other ads will depict waif like women. Still other ads will depict trans women. The goal is to make all women feel welcome.
I don't run American Apparel, but I believe they have had ads depicting women other other shapes. For example, a quick Google search showed me -
In other words, you are getting too fixated on Isis's ad and making a blanket generalization about AA and about Isis. A transphobic bias or not? Think about it.”
newcraft on Jun 11, 2012 at 18:48:30
“No, I'm not fixated - you're the one really reaching to try to justify something that isn't happening.
AA has come under INTENSE scrutiny for NOT being inclusive of people of all different types - that's why this one particular ad campaign rings hollow for them and it's not really a "go girl" moment for someone like Isis to hawk their products.
And empathy? You seriously don't want to go there - you're digging yourself into a debate crater you won't dig out of.
Think about it. You're defending crass marketing because ONE time, they're inclusive.
Would you be arguing so vehemently if Vogue or Cosmo did a one-time "Fat Girls of America" spead - would that make Cosmo and Vogue morally redeemable?”
“Women complain about Heidi Klum and every other lean model the same way. They have tall slender bodies too. Isis is just another model. There are models in all shapes and sizes. And every company has ads using more than one model.
So to complain about AA using Isis is just drama as usual, and also an outlet for transphobes to complain.
AA has a trans model to reach those self-identifying as trans, just as AA and other companies use male or female models of shapes and sizes to represent their own brand. Nothing to see here.”
newcraft on Jun 9, 2012 at 22:05:45
“I agree and disagree. Here's my reasons:
1) If it's done in the spirit of promoting acceptance as-is, that's not a problem.
The bigger problem IS if this transgender model is being marketed to women as "you can or need to look like this"
There are no hips on this model. Yes, many models are waifs - but they have HIPS.
And I don't know if you're looking at a different Heidi Klum, but she's not a waif, never was. Kate Moss would be a more reasonable example for your argument, but even Kate had a different waist-hip ratio than this model.
Would former women who identify as men be acceptable as male models - to have larger butts or hips - and marketed as such to men? There would be all kinds of uproar. But done in this context, as a celebration on a particular theme - there shouldn't be a problem.”
“Women come in all shapes and sizes and self-identities. Isis is not the only AA model. There are other models too. Isis represents one body type. AA is attempting to reach women with that body type. Other AA ads should appeal to other body types. Attacking Isis or AA over this ad or over her body type is mean.”
Volantiad on Jun 9, 2012 at 21:42:21
“Donna8686, I'm not really into AA but all the ads that I've seen have super skinny, really young looking models. Girls that don't look like most girls or women I know. I appreciate that people come in all shapes and sizes. I'd like the fashion industry to realize that, too.
I'm not trying to attack Isis or her body type. There's nothing wrong with being inherently very skinny. My primary point is that the fashion industry promotes among women & girls a body type that is not average for women/girls. When I go to buy jeans, for example, if I can get my thighs in, they sag out at the waist. If I hold them up and they fit my wist, there's no way I'm getting my legs in them. There's nothing wrong with my body. The fashion industry ~ certainly not just AA ~ is geared toward singularly accommodating and promoting a body type that is less common for women. Not unheard of, just not average.
I'm not against thinness, either. I'm against the tyranny of that being the only acceptable option for women to be considered conventionally attractive.
Bottom line what bothers me is that in fashion it's more acceptable for a model of women's clothes to have conventionally male physical characteristics than it is for a woman with more female characteristics.”
“As a straight person, I want gay marriage to be legal and not ridiculed.
Because if gay people cannot marry other gay people and remain in the closet, guess who will be marrying them?
And I don't want to deal with someone not sexually attracted to me, sleeping with same-sex (or opposite sex) partners in extra-marital affairs, bringing AIDS home, etc. Get married to who you truly love with all your life.
Ignore the ignorant and the religious. Make gay marriage legal!”
Caleb Ragnarok on Jun 11, 2012 at 09:02:09
“If they want to make the same mistake I made, then let them!!! Then they can be as unhappy as the rest of us.. Whats the problem?”
Syllogizer on Jun 9, 2012 at 21:31:31
“No, we should do no such thing. Nor is any of your 'reasoning' above any reason why we should. For you are basing your whole argument on a false dilemma, on the claim that the alternatives are only two: either legalize it, or gays carrying on extramarital sex while married to straight people. But this is not even close to true.”
"I don't want anyone else to know I'm gay. I should oppose gay marriage vehemently so that everyone else will think I'm straight, and also so that it will not be easy for me to go more gay which would be really very bad. There's also that man in the clouds watching me, like it says in the bible, and pastor and mama say the homos won't go to heaven. So help me god!"