“Yeah, but the problem is that they were ALL DRINKING! This case isn't about consent, it's about the victim refusing to cooperate with the investigation, give a statement. She even invoked her fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination. There cannot be a crime if there is no victim. ”
“Yeah and the charges were dropped by the victim who refused to cooperate with authorities and give a statement. She even invoked her fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination. That doesn't set off any red flags in your mind?
During trials the burden of proof is on the prosecution, i.e. the victim. No victim, no crime. That's just the way it goes.”
Special3 on Oct 15, 2013 at 15:47:25
“The charges weren't dropped by the victim, they were dropped by the Prosecuting Attorney...and we all know lawyers never lie! Especially when they are up for election. It's interesting, when you go to the Prosecuting Attoney's webpage, it's been taken down, as well as the County website. When you go to MOPA (MO Prosecuting Attorney Assoc) and search in Nodaway County, Rice's website link isn't working, either. Something to hide gentleman?”
realist666 on Oct 15, 2013 at 14:49:08
“The family said that statement by the Sheriff wasn't true”
ToHealTheSoul on Oct 15, 2013 at 11:55:12
“If you were assaulted by someone and had something rammed into your nether region repeatedly... went to report it and were told you would have to let a room full of people peek up there with a light (no lube because that destroys DNA)... had to repeat the details of the story over and over again… were told by a police officer that he believed you were reporting to cover up the fact that you liked it but felt guilty now…. And then were told you’d have to go to court and repeat these details over again in a room filled not only with strangers, but also with the accused and a defense attorney claiming again that you wanted it... Exactly how long before you would say, eff this and drop the charges? When you aren’t the one under investigation, you can walk away at any time and go home, crawl under the covers and cry alone. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, it just means that not all of us are ready to go the long haul with the legal system.”
Tazarina57 on Oct 15, 2013 at 11:34:09
“The victim's family stated that what the Prosecutor's allege is untrue. Doesn't that set off any red flags? And I will tell you, being a victim of rape myself, that the police do not play nice when taking a rape report. I was 28 when I was raped and I was raked over the coals by the police and made to feel like I should have done more to prevent the rape, even though I was asleep in my bed with the rapists broke into my home at 3 a.m. According to the police I should have had an alarm system, I should have had a big dog, I should have had a gun in my bedside table and I should have shot the intruders as they left out the back of my home and then drug them back inside after I killed them. It was almost as bad as the rape and the only reason I was able to endure it was because of my inner strength and fortitude, things that most 13 and 14 year olds have yet to acquire. There is a REASON that most rape victims never report the rape, it's because of the hell you are put through by the police and then the Prosecutor's.”
“If I was in your position, Eric, I would take a good look around and see how many people are empathetic toward your position. That is a good indicator of where things are headed. You live in America, where the reasonable opinion of the majority will almost always prevail in the end. Sometimes it takes a while, but this isn't going to move in the direction that you are hoping for, and in the end there will be tears and howling and the prison.”
“Yeah except the victim refused to cooperate in the investigation, give a statement. She even invoked her fifth amendment rights against SELF-INCRIMINATION. During the prosecutions the burden of proof is on the prosecutors, i.e. the victim. This case wasn't about social standing, it was about the victim refusing to cooperate.”
your epiphany on Oct 15, 2013 at 11:29:43
“They could've gotten a statement much sooner since the charges were dropped, which led to the lack of cooperation, 2 months after. It's not as if she recanted or there wasn't evidence supporting her - one of which was a confession. The DA can refile since it never went to a jury and because it appears that the victim might be willing to go through with this. She went to the hospital so I would think given the circumstances there was a rape kit and the doctor's notes that preserved some further evidence. Some people fail to realize, especially if they weren't a victim, a trial for any victim of any age is a traumatic event because you're reliving it to get some justice from the courts amidst the defense attorney trying to blame you for the rapist's actions and the immature harassing the community loaded on the family - and likely will do again.”
kimberly martin9 on Oct 15, 2013 at 10:51:51
“Well, I was under the understanding that the Mother of the victim said all of that was untrue and the proof was in the Police report Eric, Maybe I misunderstood.”
“It's a very basic legal precedent that goes back years, I really do not understand why you people have trouble understanding. The American criminal justice system has special interest in prosecuting murder cases. In cases such as those the victim's families are the victim's too. Cases where there is no loss of life demand that there be a victim, if there is no victim, if the victim chooses to refuse to give a statement and invoke their FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS AGAINST SELF-INCRIMINATION, then there is no crime.
During trials the burden of proof is on the prosecution. If the prosecution doesn't have a victim, ergo a crime, then they cannot proceed. You can fight it all you want, search the annals of your mind for and reason or justification you can think of, but truth is that is the way the criminal justice system works -- AND IT WORKS!”
cdollartoo on Oct 15, 2013 at 14:52:14
“That's right! It works for the criminals. I didn't have too much trouble understanding that, now did I?”
MarySkl on Oct 15, 2013 at 14:03:37
“The victim disputes the prosecutor's claim that she invoked her 5th Amendment right. She says she was willing to prosecute. That is why they are going public.”
seriously77 on Oct 15, 2013 at 12:26:49
“The girls mother, Melinda, was at the station repeatedly to the point that the officers said they felt like they were in the movie "Groundhog Day.".....they were doing everything they could to get this kid prosecuted. Then just suddenly, they called and said the charges were dropped. That's Bull.”
seriously77 on Oct 15, 2013 at 11:14:51
“You see it all the time where the victim refuses to cooperate and guess what....yep, they continue to prosecute anyways....especially when they have the evidence slapping them right in the face.”
“I didn't say that I believe that a rape didn't happen. I'm just trying to remain objective through all of this.”
ChillMe on Oct 15, 2013 at 00:16:57
“I think this HP article is not complete enough. There are more details in other publications. I think rape is always a difficult prosecution, we just saw the case of the teacher in Montana getting away with a 30 day sentence. In addition to the rape, this 17 yo boy left the victim to die. cCan you imagine how was for her mother to find her outside her house on the next day almost frozen? Used and thrown away like garbage?”
“People get too emotionally vested to listen to REASON or FACTS. Got no time for those things, completely negligible.
They refuse to understand that during prosecutions the burden of proof is on the prosecutors, i.e. the victim. If there isn't a victim then there is no prosecution.”
Michael5MacKay on Oct 15, 2013 at 04:08:50
“Read the newspaper article the HuffPo linked to. There was plenty of cooperation until the prosecutor elected, without notice or justification, to drop all but the least serious charge.
The Sheriff certainly thought the Police had put together a strong case.”
stopmojim on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:55:33
“"If there isn't a victim then there is no prosecution."
Tell that to all the folks rotting in the US prison industrial complex for smoking a joint.”
your epiphany on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:53:35
“Prosecution can occur without the victim's cooperation, though not as often, especially if the victim was cooperating prior and there's evidence to support the case. The fact that there was a confession and footage would help build the case because there was no denying about what happened that night. It's clear the breakdown occurred when some charges were dropped and proved discouraging among the behavior of the community. Considering that some of these rapists, their apologists, and family want to preserve their image it could result in a plea agreement and this would be a case to move outside the community since there would be no impartial jury in that small town.”
“I tend to believe that people are inherently reasonable. I don't think an ENTIRE TOWN would ostracize a girl if there wasn't a reason behind it.”
yiayiageorgie on Oct 15, 2013 at 00:29:41
“It didn't say the entire town. I believe there was mention of a Doctor who thought the girls were victimized. I'm sure there are other honorable people in the town. But in small towns it is not unusual for this to happen. Inherently reasonable does not mean you are correct about everything. I am inherently reasonable and have been shocked and disappointed at human behavior many times in my sixty years,”
“We don't need anonymous. They're interference in this issue would be quite foolish. The victim decided to excuse herself from the case. It wasn't the doings of the police.
We've all had enough of anonymous. Nowadays they are nothing more than pests.”
Iamdisappointed on Oct 15, 2013 at 00:43:52
“No. Many women who are beaten often won't prosecute because they're afraid of retaliation by the guy if/when he's let off the hook as they are often by the system. That's why prosecutions are done even w/o her cooperation though it's harder. If it's done no matter what she does, it's harder for her to be silenced.
Also that poor Baby Hope kid had nobody to speak for her, not even her own mother for years. Just because there's no voice to support a victim doesn't mean that the crime shouldn't be prosecuted.”
fitley on Oct 15, 2013 at 00:11:13
“We've all had enough of anonymous.
Not me. One of my fondest memories in life and probably always will be, was watching Karl Rove sweating it out, sputtering and jabbering away, as the vote totals didn't miraculously flip over to Mitt on election night. Thanks Anonymous.”
Sean PSC on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:59:32
“No, the prosecutors dropped all the serious charges, leaving only a misdemeanor. Then the victim declined to participate.”
darlinsass on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:57:36
“Speak for yourself. You may have had enough of anonymous, but many here haven't!”
yiayiageorgie on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:52:39
“According to Melinda Coleman White's comments are not true. It sounds like the comments she is referring to are the one regarding the family deciding not to press charges. The story is poorly written so I may be wrong.”
ChillMe on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:43:22
“If i get killed by a drunk driver I am obviously excusing myself from the case. Does this mean the killer gets away?
Some criminal cases, especially involving a minor, have to be prosecuted regardless. Perhaps victims excuse themselves for fear of retaliation.It is up to the police to gather evidence and up to prosecutors to make sure criminals are brought to justice.”
your epiphany on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:43:05
“I strongly disagree. Without Anonymous, that Ohio rape case would've been swept under the rug, but now the victim has gotten some justice and a school official is being charged for actively helping in the coverup. The victim stopped cooperating when the felony charges were dropped, which is probably very disappointing when there's proof and considering that there's connections the family has and how unfairly she's being treated by the community (despite the evidence) then her mother losing her job because of it would make it feel easier or safer to fall back than press forward. Just about anyone would feel defeated by all of that, especially a child or teen. Mr. White seems to be more of a pest with his "get over it" comment, like being raped is like taking off a bandaid.”
“Except she excused herself from the case, which means that there isn't a crime. Burden of proof during prosecutions is on the prosecution, i.e. the victim. No victim no crime.
I hate rapists too but we must remain objective about this stuff people.”
Sean PSC on Oct 15, 2013 at 00:00:25
“No, the prosecutors dropped the rape charges before she refused to participate. She refused to participate in the prosecution for a misdemeanor, after it was clear the prosecution wasn't going to go after them for anything serious.”
shothot on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:57:39
“Even if she did excuse herself from the case, it might have been because of harassment and fear. That should not excuse the rapists under any circumstances.”
Velvetknuckles on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:42:27
“Sure thing Matt.”
Gynn on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:41:42
“Except the family of the victim says that the DA is lying.”
kaykaythere on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:34:24
“how does a 14 year old remove herself from a crime?”
PatA on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:16:50
“Do you have proof that she "excused" herself from the case? A link, perhaps? This story isn't proof. This is HP.”
“Your knowledge of the criminal justice system leaves too much to be desired. You can't prosecute someone if they excuse themselves from the case. That's just like prosecuting someone even though a crime hasn't been committed. The burden of proof during trials is on the prosecutors, i.e. the victim, who by the way, excused herself from the investigation and refused to give a statement -- even invoking her own fifth amendment right against incriminating herself. That doesn't set off any red flags to you?”
callinguonit on Oct 15, 2013 at 20:47:47
“(You should be aware that the district attorney's office retains the right to pursue prosecution whether or not you participate, though it is uncommon for them to proceed without the cooperation of the victim. There are also times when a third party, such as a doctor or teacher, is required to report to authorities if they suspect sexual abuse of a child, or an elderly or disabled person. Visit our Mandatory Reporting Databases for Children and the Elderly to learn more”
PatA on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:46:05
“"For his part, White, the sheriff, maintains “no doubt” a crime was committed that night. The doctor who treated Daisy the following morning called the prosecutor’s decision to drop the charges “surprising.” And one longtime Missouri attorney believes the Colemans’ status as relative outsiders played a part in the cases’ dismissals.
“The fact that the family wasn’t from Maryville made it a lot easier for the prosecutor to drop those charges,” he said.
For the Colemans, the dismissal of the charges spelled the beginning of the end to their life in Maryville. "
Nowhere in the story in the Kansas City newspaper does the reporter write that the victim "excused" herself from the case.
A red flag for me blows sky high due to your apparent defense for the rapists. Are you related?
“Your second sentence is confusing, but I think you mean if the victim doesn't cooperate. That's not true. Of course, it makes the prosecution more difficult, but if there is enough evidence the state can still go ahead. Let's say that the girl was 12 and the parents (for whatever reason) don't want to prosecute. The state can still take it to trial if there is enough evidence (e.g. a video).”
“How do you know that, do you really know for sure. Have you seen any concrete evidence pertaining to the case like sworn statements, anything? All you have is what you've been told on this media publication.”
Michael5MacKay on Oct 15, 2013 at 03:18:34
“The point being, there should be a trial on the issue, and let the truth come out.”
ChillMe on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:17:15
“We know for sure because the boy was charged, meaning that there was enough evidence to charge him, this is public record. After that the charges were dropped. Besides the rape ( there is footage) he left her to die in freezing weather. So even if you don't believe that the rape happened, there is no doubt about the depraved indifference . This boy needs to be accountable for his actions.”
suso903 on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:07:13
“There are several other articles that give much more detail, which many of us have read. It does in fact appear that favors were called in. The grandfather swears that he didn't intervene. If he's telling the truth, others did the intervening for him.”
“Oh so you're saying that people should be prosecuted even when their isn't a victim, ergo a crime.”
PatA on Oct 15, 2013 at 00:17:24
“Sigh. Read the Kansas City newspaper account and see what the sheriff says about there being a crime.”
Andy Williams1 on Oct 14, 2013 at 23:43:30
“No, not sure what you are reading. You might want to reread what you wrote and make the necessary corrections.”
wiseoldsnail on Oct 14, 2013 at 22:47:28
“oh, so you're saying that because the victim was terrorized into retreating, there really wasn't a victim?”
DrB3 on Oct 14, 2013 at 22:40:46
“If I understand your answer correctly, then you most certainly don't understand the law.
There's this thing called "CONSENT". When one is under a certain age, acutely intoxicated, or mentally handicapped one CAN'T GIVE IT. It doesn't matter what was said before or after. It's rape.
Let's say you have a cousin who's 18 but has the mind of a 5 year old. Would you like some man to rape her and say "Hey, she said she wanted it! There's no victim here." That's ludicrous. Let alone to call an event where a girl is assaulted, left on a porch to freeze, she clearly states she's been raped and there are photos as a "victimless event".”
“My sentiments exactly -- and to be totally fair, Iran does have a right to have nuclear weapons if it so chooses to have them.”
Baghooli on Oct 14, 2013 at 15:44:24
“That's my opinion too but that's not Iranian government objective as long as there are no military attacks launched against their homeland by other nuclear armed countries without any repercussions from other world powers, also US government should stop making up false claims of possible nuclear material in there or in that Iranian military facilities in order to get their IAEA humanoid intelligence officers in to those places for gathering information on exact usage of those conventional military bases for possible bombing if they decide to do so in future , that's exactly what happen in Iraq and Libya during their WMD disarmament period before destroying those countries several years later, Iranians are too intelligent to fall for that trick!”
saarigirl on Oct 14, 2013 at 01:21:07
“I've been wondering about that. The U.S. has them. What gives us the right to tell another country they can't have them?”
“People and polls are saying that this recent debacle has solidified the fate of the republican party. Truth is that their fates were sealed nearly a decade ago when they decided to go to war on faulty and inaccurate evidence which resulted in the deaths of thousands of American lives, took advantage of fears and insecurities of the American populace on a daily basis, and profited from the whole endeavor while giving their sleazy buddies non-negotiable contracts and unfettered access to treasury dollars -- which they took advantage of through unprecedented fraud, waste, and abuse. THEY were the reason why a black presidential candidate was able to easily steal the presidency in the first place.
The perception of the American people may be largely forgiving, but we most definitely do not forget.”
“I don't really see the connection between the students wearing confederate flag shirts to make an anti-gay statement, it seems to me that the sentiment was brought up by the school officials. To me it seems that the students, seeing that a student wore a shirt as a sentiment advocating gay pride, decided to wear confederate flag shirts advocating southern pride.
Media nowadays is really blowing this gay pride thing out of proportion.”
“Drug use is so prevalent in our media nowadays people become desensitized and unaware about possible consequences of drug use.”
YannosB on Oct 12, 2013 at 12:41:00
“Eric is was not the media who made this, sold it, used it ...was it?
I think I get what you were trying to say.. but 'media' was the wrong choice... try 'society' in its place and I think you hit the mark you were aiming at.. and Rightly so I might add.”