“dctackett - you seem to be an intelligent person. You have many of the same questions and concerns I did at one point. I included giss (along with other) data purposefully so that people like you might be able to make up their own minds concerning the data. It seems clear to me based on the existing data, that there is not a problem. Moreover, it seems highly likely that there are people who stand to benefit from making this a "problem". If you see otherwise, I would love to engage in a scientific debate on the matter. However, based on your reply, it seems you haven't even read the basic papers I presented. Though I think that you have the analytical skills needed here:
"What about naturally occurring factors? I don't know everything there is to know about the earth and it's climate, but I'm sure you don't either, and I know that no one else does."
That, I think, we can all agree upon. I am not for promoting bad habits or bad behavior with regard to the environment, and that is precisely why I am opposed to any legislation regarding climate control. It seems to me that the people who claim to be stewards of the environment are often hypocrites and haven't done their homework. Please do your homework before reporting back.”
“Claiming my pants are on fire doesn't change the facts. Neither does using an ellipsis followed by the phrase "point blank". There is very little scientific information in any of your links, and none of them can provide any evidence that man-made CO2 causes temperature to rise. Why is that?
For not much more than just vitriol, page down.”
I guess I didn't realize my comments were so inflammatory, but I would argue that we've all been misled and those of us who recognize this are becoming upset. We must all look objectively at the evidence and ask, "Is doing something really better than doing nothing?"”
dctackett on Jan 15, 2009 at 16:22:12
“Looking at the links you provided, it's clear that Global Warming is occurring and has been occurring in a sharp upward trend since about the mid 20th century... I assume that you agree, since you provided the links...
Your issue is that there is no EVIDENCE linking man-made CO2 to Global Warming...
Due to the fast complexity of our environment and the various factors that affect it, what possible EVIDENCE could there be?... Could man-made CO2 be only one factor? What about deforestation? What about the billions of tons of other chemicals released into the environment? What other activities of man are having an affect? What about naturally occurring factors?
I don't know everything there is to know about the earth and it's climate, but I'm sure you don't either, and I know that no one else does.
But I do know that the activities of humans have had terrible effects on the environment and I know that little activities, spread out and over long periods of time can contribute to BIG effects.
So, yes, doing something really is better than doing nothing...
Why continue to do something that does have negative effects, just because I don't have evidence that problems I'm having are do to that particular action?
Often time people don't do anything about their bad habits until it's too late...”
“There is not one shred of evidence linking man-made CO2 to any measurable changes in temperature. What don't people understand about the term "LOGARITHMIC"? Providing links to government or political propaganda websites is not evidence. Computer models are not evidence. Words like "largely", "likely", "very likely", "based on our current understanding", are neither scientific nor evidence. Skepticism and debate are welcomed in science - it helps us keep to recognize the good theories and throw out the bad. I am not a "right-winger" who spews the party line. I am simply someone with a science background who has looked at the data for about 15 years now and will jump on board if there is ever any credible evidence to support the theory. The problem is that most of the evidence is contrary to the theory and yet the theory persists. Please don't provide me any links to your beloved sites - I cannot believe something that is not true, and stop using the word "denier", with regard to something that doesn't exist. I just ask that you look at the actual data and make up your own mind.”
hp blogger A. Siegel on Jan 8, 2009 at 22:54:53
“Wow, so "government" websites are off limits? Are you worried about Black Helicopters?
New Scientist and Guardian are, evidently, "political proganda websites"?
What absurdity for you to argue that there is not "any credible evidence". That is going well beyond any reasonable definition of skeptic.
What you state is not true ... point blank. Come back with something more than vitriol.
"I cannot believe something that is not true" and 'am unwilling to look at any site or organization or data that doesn't already agree with me and reinforce my own beliefs' ... You are sipmly asserting falsehoods ...”
dctackett on Jan 8, 2009 at 16:29:05
“ok, then please reference the "actual data" so that I can make up my own mind... I want to see that data that you have been looking at for 15 years now.”