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Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 10, 2013 at 09:42:13 in Canada Politics

“You don't need a world government to establish international law or laws that are identical around the world. It's illegal to drink and drive in Canada, and it's illegal to drink and drive in the United States. No world government required, simply a common understanding of what is moral and ethical.

What debts are you referring to?”

Serendipity Zen on Dec 10, 2013 at 11:42:41

“I wouldn't want US abortion laws and I like our hate speech laws.

By debt I mean our treaty obligations and our moral obligation for our crimes against the native people.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 20:17:02 in Canada Politics

“Yes, prejudice and bigotry are innate. No disagreement there. However in a city state enlightened self interest will eventually drive everyone to agree to some measures of equality. And empires, like the British empire and the Roman empire evolve equality faster because they encompass numerous countries and countless tribes.

I never argued for world government. Not sure where you got that. However with autonomy comes responsibility. If someone wants to form an independent state then I don't have an issue with it. If they want me to fund it, I expect some input.”

Serendipity Zen on Dec 7, 2013 at 00:21:33

“For the same law to apply to all people a world government of some sort would be required.

We are not funding them, we are paying our debts.”
Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 17:30:33 in Religion

“Fundamentalism is not a branch or a sect. It denotes a zealous adherence to a conservative set of beliefs within a religion and almost militant disdain for progressive theology. It's general displays an active aversion to interpretations of scripture that are more inclusive or that seek to afford greater latitude for, or acceptance of, differences in interpretation within the larger community. Heresy is a subjective term that simply describes a theological position that you find offensive.”
Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 17:16:08 in Religion

“Maybe the pastor hasn't learned not to take the bible seriously yet. By the way, the bible doesn't subscribe pills. It does indicate you can cure syphilis with the blood of a dove and hyssop. What you're suggesting, secular medicine, is actually a sin according to the bible. But I imagine you're like most Christians, and have no idea what the bible says about where disease comes from and how it can be cured.”

GQSmoke on Dec 6, 2013 at 18:02:58

“I never said the Bible subscribe pills......I never read or heard of the Bible being against secular medicine......and I never said I'm Christian.......”
Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 17:12:17 in Religion

“Not without a heavy dollop of pigeon blood and hyssop He can't. Maybe the pastors just need more incense and a splash of calves blood to get God's attention.”

fraublucher2011 on Dec 7, 2013 at 13:48:09

“the blood of Jesus is enough already offered for all the sins of the world.”

KeithTexas on Dec 6, 2013 at 20:39:23

“It is probably the victim's fault for not having enough faith.”
Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 17:09:17 in Religion

“No? That's shocking. They probably weren't praying correctly.”
Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Pentecostal Pastors In Africa Dangerously Push Prayer, Not Drugs, For People With HIV

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 17:08:33 in Religion

“We regulate the transport and export of hazardous waste, but not religion. Go figure.”

David 1120 on Dec 7, 2013 at 18:13:25

“The MOST TOXIC invention of Man !”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 17:04:42 in Canada Politics

“No, morality is not a human invention. All primates have an inherent sense of justice. Language simply allows us more elaborate constructs, and holds us to a higher level of scrutiny. Invention infers it's some sort of intentional construct. Someone who has no morality is mentally deficient, we call them a sociopath or psychopath. With language we altered our reality, we could testify to one another's behaviour, reconstruct and retell events to others that hadn't been witness to those events first hand.

When I say a single set of laws, I mean a single set of laws. I wouldn't say that fairness is a European concept - I'm not a racist. I think every human being understands the fundamental concepts of justice - what's fair for you is fair for me, what responsibilities you have I have etc...

Living in tribes human beings had an easier time reaching compromises and establishing codes of conduct. When tribes get melded and humans began to form large city states, complex systems had to develop to compensate. First Nations developed systems, so did Europeans. It generally involves negotiating collectively as equals and reaching compromises that treat everyone equitably. That's not a European concept, it's a human one.”

Serendipity Zen on Dec 6, 2013 at 18:11:00

“They did pre-language tests on babies and they did have an innate sense of "justice", but they only applied it to puppets they identified with because the puppet chose the same treat as them. The puppets they perceived as different from them were rejected so prejudice and bigotry are also innate.

I am against world government. That way lies tyranny.  What you consider fair and what I consider fair is not necessarily the same thing. World government is just a way of putting an even smaller set of people in charge of the world.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 16:14:18 in Canada Politics

“Is that a legal argument or a moral one? Morally, I think all people should be governed by a single set of laws. I don't think that race should play a part in what rights someone has or doesn't have. Legally, aboriginals are afforded specific protection by the Charter, guarantees that treaty rights cannot be diminished by legislation. Is that what you mean? Because the treaty we're talking about only promises them a maximum annuity of $4.00 a head. I think they're significantly over that per capita transfer rate. I mean if we want to get into the legalities of the treaty.”

Serendipity Zen on Dec 6, 2013 at 16:49:38

“It's a legal argument and a moral one. Legally there are many treaties not just one. Morally, they have a right to self-determination. Morality is a human invention therefore is culturally specific. When you say "a single set of laws" you mean a limited set of European-inspired laws you think is appropriate.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 6, 2013 at 14:09:25 in Canada Politics

“Even Capuchin monkeys understand justice. What is expected of me is expected of you and what is wrong for me is wrong for you. Culture can obfuscate inequity and inequality through things like religion or it can appeal to tradition, but this is simply special pleading. Right and wrong isn't relative, because it's predicated on a universal concept that is integral to our biology. In the past we developed rules that applied only to the men in our tribe, and only considered what was fair for them. Women, children and members of other tribes were excluded from the protections of the laws that protected the men in our tribes. The struggle for human rights, has consistently been about the broadening of our tribal boundaries to include more and more people in the construction of our rules. But with that inclusion comes the responsibility to adhere to the rules that collective construct.

I don't believe that English culture had much respect for aboriginal input. But then, typically, empires don't. The English made an effort to unify everyone with one language and in so doing pretty much eliminated Gaelic and Erse too. This wasn't something that the aboriginals suffered exclusively. Alexander the Great spread Greek influence far and wide and wiped out quite a few languages along the way. But who cares? The fact is that linguistic differences aren't a good thing. They make it much harder for people to co-exist peacefully.”

Serendipity Zen on Dec 6, 2013 at 15:50:47

“We don't have jurisdiction over them. They have legal rights as aboriginals just like we have legal rights. We can't take their rights away from them anymore than they can take our rights away from us.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 20:42:42 in Canada Politics

“If one is imbued with a sense of right and wrong and one sees something they believe is wrong, it's sort of morally repugnant to stay silent is it not? And when that wrongdoing involves actions that are irreversible, like say the killing of a sentient creature, doesn't that make dissent a bit more valid and bit more urgent? I have a concept of the culture up North. But having a knowledge of the culture would simply make this less shocking, it doesn't make it more moral. Ubiquity only prevents one from examining a cultural practice, it doesn't justify the cultural practice.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 20:03:28 in Canada Politics

“I guess in fairness I should have acknowledged infanticide as one method of population control employed by humans. But I don't think that or even warfare, demonstrate any significant impact on human populations, and neither are typically ritualized.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 19:53:29 in Canada Politics

“So far as I'm aware, humans haven't conceived of a ritual that prevents them from starving to death. And yes, starvation is what kept human populations in check for 200,000 years. Hunting and gathering requires quite a large area to support a very small band of humans. Every significant jump in the human population coincides with technological advancements that increase the amount of available food - domestication of the dog - improved hunting technology - the clay pot - farming - domestication of ruminants etc... Ireland was desolate until they brought the potato back from the New World. When that crop failed, millions starved to death. The last major innovations, the tractor and nitrogen fertilizer, brought us up to a population of billions.

Lots of religions recognize animals. Hindus regard the cow as sacred because that's the only context in which pre-secular societies can lay down rules for conservation. In Jungle religions pigs are loved, in desert religions they're hated. Because raising pigs in the Jungle requires very few human calories, but in the desert you have to feed them scarce resources. When Judaism migrated to Italy via Christianity, all the dietary restrictions went away etc. etc.”

MDZX on Dec 5, 2013 at 20:36:57

“The point that you seem to be intentionally missing is that many societies have devised pre-scientific methods of keeping their population sustainable considering the resource availability in their surroundings. Imperfect, yes, but harmony to FN means something different than "eat until your population grows so big that you can't eat".”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 19:40:40 in Canada Politics

“Every aboriginal I've ever known referred to themselves as Indian. And I've had, and continue to have, hundreds of aboriginal friends. Aboriginal's a word I only ever hear in Toronto or on the news, or from policy people, pundits and political officials. Even "native" was a bit uncommon - to this day, aboriginal and native still sound just a pinch offensive to me when spoken aloud. Aboriginals, in my experience, aren't overly concerned with political correctness - slightly more concerned that you get their tribe and clan right, but comparable to the degree that Canadians of Scottish decent, are offended if you mistake them for Canadians of English or Irish decent. But I concede that may just have been the aboriginals that I grew up with.

And why would one be offended to be called an Indian? Only someone who has tied negative connotations to that identity would wish to reconstruct adjectives and nouns describing that ancestry. Although we in Canada had conflicts with First Nations, I don't think they were considered a single race or hated as a race. Throughout our history, and in my experience, there's always been an acknowledgement that 'Indian' encompasses an indiscriminate swath of diverse tribes. Maybe I haven't met any sensitive aboriginals.”

Geo Guy on Dec 6, 2013 at 02:08:16

“it is not unlike the term "newfie" used to call Newfoundlanders - in the open they may joke and accept it but behind the scene many Newfoundlanders have a strong dislike for the term newfie; same applies to the natives that I worked with and who worked for me; they prefer the term native and not indian..just from my experience.”

Ishudbworkin on Dec 5, 2013 at 21:20:42

“I'm all white and half of my friends are INDIANS. In formal speak they are natives but most of the time they call themselves indians. I was even given an 'indian' name. Funny- she never told me it was a native name. Go figure”

Dirteafairyprincess on Dec 5, 2013 at 20:05:04

“No its just a label we combat by identifying with our tribe. I am Tsimshian(salmon people). You are right, I do identify my tribe and crest instead of accepting the word from anyone that isnt Indian. I know in my family we use the word as a joke.”
4 Surprising Things We Learned From The Rob Ford Documents

4 Surprising Things We Learned From The Rob Ford Documents

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 19:23:13 in Canada Politics

“Not if you smoked everything in your pipe you're not. And in this hypothetical the police have to be a bit omniscient. They have to know that someone in the house is in possession of crack AND they have to know that the Mayor has started smoking crack and it holding the pipe AND they then have to bust through the door and get to the mayor before he can pass the pipe off to someone else OR they have to know they can lift a perfect set of finger prints off the crack pipe. But even that's kind of fantastical - I don't think they're going to fingerprint a crack pipe, given that a first offence warrants probably six months in rehab and would very likely not even be assigned to criminal court.”
Sunday Assembly 'Atheist Church' Provokes Criticism

Sunday Assembly 'Atheist Church' Provokes Criticism

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 19:15:15 in Religion

“They do? Aren't they sort of the antithesis of one another. Doesn't religion start from the assumption that there has to be more to consciousness than the axons, dendrites and synapses from which consciousness flows? And isn't suggesting that their is more simply special pleading? Whereas philosophical naturalism looks for an effect before stating a cause.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 19:13:37 in Canada Politics

“If I killed your cat and ate it, it would be an awful thing. It would be more awful still if I claimed to live in harmony with cats. There was no harmony. Inuit ate what they killed. If hunting was good they ate a lot and had lots of babies. Then they over hunted and starved to death. That's how nature maintains equilibrium. That's the "harmony".”

MDZX on Dec 5, 2013 at 19:34:54

“That's how a lot of animal populations work. However, humans are different than most animals - while tragedies of the commons happen from time to time, human society tends to develop rituals and practices that have the effect of maintaining a population without going through the boom and bust cycles typical of, say, rabbits. Hindus regard cows as sacred, FN have animal rituals and closely identify with them, etc etc.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 18:52:05 in Canada Politics

“That's like arguing that if I want to rape a woman I have to do so in a traditional manner... perhaps clubbing her over the head first. If it's wrong to kill a whale or a polar bear, then why would it be less wrong to do so with a stone axe? Arguing that something is justifiable because it's one's culture is simply special pleading. And I haven't yet encountered an argument that convinces me it's acceptable to excuse immoral behaviour simply because the immoral behaviour in question dates to antiquity. The reality is, that Inuit culture was always changing, that's the nature of culture. It simply changed more rapidly when Europeans arrived and started influencing it. And even faster when they set about to consciously eradicate it. But culture is just a set of learned things, a bunch of ideas. And bad ideas should be eradicated. The notion that you do people a favour by working to preserve their bad ideas is kind of silly. You do them a favour by hearing them out though. Our obligation is to ensure that we constantly test our own notions of what is good and what is bad and, that we facilitate a discourse. From that discourse and from that conflict of ideas we glean what's good, bad, what is questionable and what is simply assumed to be good because it's so ubiquitous we can't imagine it any other way.”

Serendipity Zen on Dec 5, 2013 at 22:57:05

“Who decides what is and isn't moral? It's a cultural judgement.

We don't need to hear them out. We need to respect their right to self-determination on their land whether or not we "approve".

"The notion that you do people a favour by working to preserve their bad ideas is kind of silly. You do them a favour by hearing them out though."

They did that in the past, decided European culture was superior, and put native children in residential schools to civilize them. We all know how well that turned out.”
Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq Posts Dead Polar Bear Photo

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 18:40:27 in Canada Politics

“I agree. Forcing them to hunt whales with spears in kayaks often means the dead whales sink to the Ocean floor. We should simply ban the hunting of polar bears and whales.”

Dirteafairyprincess on Dec 6, 2013 at 12:36:04

“with the numbers of polars left a ban would be smart.”
4 Surprising Things We Learned From The Rob Ford Documents

4 Surprising Things We Learned From The Rob Ford Documents

Commented Dec 5, 2013 at 14:38:26 in Canada Politics

“I don't think you could get a warrant to search a house because you heard that someone might be smoking crack inside it at some point in the future. That's pretty weak. And to be clear, being high on crack is not a criminal offence, and neither is smoking it. It's posession and trafficking that are illegal. So you have to catch someone with crack in their posession.”

Deux-Montagnes Anglo on Dec 5, 2013 at 15:02:22

“"...high on crack is not a criminal offence, and neither is smoking it. It's posession and trafficking that are illegal."

If you are smoking it, are you not in possession of it?”
Sunday Assembly 'Atheist Church' Provokes Criticism

Sunday Assembly 'Atheist Church' Provokes Criticism

Commented Dec 4, 2013 at 15:39:49 in Religion

“If it's hidden, then how do you know it's within them? And if it's within them then it's material no? Perhaps their emotions exist within their brain... or perhaps their emotions are an output of the neural network that is their brain?”

researcher on Dec 4, 2013 at 19:16:10

“"And if it's within them then it's material no?"

This comment is a perfect example of a materialistic paradigm.

Religion and materialism have sooooooooo much in common concerning human awareness.”
Sunday Assembly 'Atheist Church' Provokes Criticism

Sunday Assembly 'Atheist Church' Provokes Criticism

Commented Dec 4, 2013 at 15:34:54 in Religion

“I think some atheists can, at times, define themselves as the antithesis of what they perceive to be theistic. It's sort of how first wave feminists chided women who wished to stay at home and raise children. Although feminism was predicated on liberty, some expected you to express that liberty in a very rigid fashion, as evidence of your solidarity - they expected women to burn their bras... even if they didn't want to. But eventually feminism matured and it's no longer about trading one stereotype for a new construct. It's about individual liberty, about not being defined by one's gender. Unwittingly, some atheists still allow their own liberty to be infringed up by defining themselves as the antithesis of atheism, instead of simply embracing the liberty and clarify that atheism affords us.”
Roger Waters Defends Religious Imagery Used In 'Goodbye Blue Sky'

Roger Waters Defends Religious Imagery Used In 'Goodbye Blue Sky'

Commented Dec 3, 2013 at 12:41:00 in Entertainment

“American aboriginals are allowed to move freely between their reserve land and public land, they're not fenced in. In fact they have special rights in this regard, extended liberty to cross the US Canadian Border under Section 289 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. They have equal access to public lands and equal rights as citizens. They also have a legal system through which to redress land claims. And in Canada they have additional rights specifically laid out in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

I'd also like to point out that we now have international law governing war and occupation and Israel is in violation of that law.

And unlike aboriginals, there are Palestinians alive today who hold the deed to land stolen by the Israeli government and given away to European settlers. And there are settlements, initiated by the Israeli government, on communal Palestinian pasture land in the occupied territories. This isn't a case of wrongdoing perpetrated by one set of ancestors to another set of ancestors, this is an ongoing violation of living people's rights.”

travelinfl on Dec 3, 2013 at 13:09:29

“Well said. F&F”
Group of Tory Backbenchers Pushing To Limit Prime Minister's Power

Group of Tory Backbenchers Pushing To Limit Prime Minister's Power

Commented Nov 29, 2013 at 14:14:54 in Canada Politics

“Gotcha. Thanks.”

Douglas Sinclair on Nov 29, 2013 at 14:35:08

“I remember the term from the Mike Harris days in Ontario when John Baird was minister of social services and he cut welfare benefits drastically while downloading other services such as housing to the municipalities.”
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