“Outside of a few "The New Republic" hits you get on Google, any person with at least half a brain could have found out what TNR stands for in relation to cats.
Trap, Neuter, Release cats under moving car tires, to find poisons, get poisoned by other animals or plants, to get attacked by other cats or animals, die of starvation, die of parasites, released to freeze or fry to death, get its eyes scratched out by other feral cats, etc. etc. You know, all those things that the SPCA thinks is the "humane" way to treat all unwanted cats and all the animals that their cats rip the skins off of or disembowel while alive for their cats' play-toys. This is "humane" to the SPCA.
SPCA = 100% manipulative, money-grubbing, animal-abusing, animal-torturing, con-artist hypocrites who are using the guaranteed suffering of cats and all the wildlife their cats torture to death to line their own pockets. Every last one of them. And you're all so stupid that you fall for their animal-torturing con-artists' song and dance.”
evecaren on Jun 8, 2012 at 07:05:42
“It's little wonder you have such few fans, Forest Smith if you write
such obviously aggressive posts. All I asked you was what TNR stands
for.There's no reason to respond with such rudeness.”
“You mean the SPCA that promotes and condemns all their TNR cats to cruel and heinous deaths by throwing them under the tires of cars? Or dying from lapping up antifreeze in gutters and garages? Poisoned to death from eating rat-poison under someone's steps? Their TNR'ed cats that die from cat and animal attacks and the resulting infections? Or die from freezing to death? From heat exhaustion? From incurable diseases? Dying from thirst? Or cruelly ripped apart by some animal mutilator? Or even from being humanely shot to death?
THAT SPCA that condemns ALL their TNR'ed cats to death by these means?!?
NO TNR'ed cats die from old-age, you know. Every last TNR'ed cat dies by any of the above methods.
Yeah, what you suggest should keep the SPCA busy and away from their relentless torturing more cats to death.
The ONLY difference in a cat dying immediately by any of the above means, instead of TNR'ing them first, is that some money isn't going into an SPCA board-member's pocket. And that's the ONLY difference.”
evecaren on Jun 7, 2012 at 07:05:04
“What is a TNR cat ? You use this throughout your post, Forest Smith. It would
be helpful in understanding your comments.”
“When you attempt to use words that you are unsure of it might be wise for you to look them up in the dictionary first. "Myopic" is not a generic catch-all derogatory, as you would hope it to be. It actually means something. Let's see if we can educate you by using it in proper context:
Sitting there with your invasive-species pet cat on your lap, trying to invent excuses on why you should let it roam to destroy all wildlife, destroy property, and to use the excuse that just a handful of the many thousands of prey-animal species that cats destroy just happen to be rodents is an EXTREMELY myopic stance when you don't consider that: 1) cats are genetically-engineered and belong nowhere in the natural world, 2) that there are thousands of NATIVE wildlife species on every continent which are much better predators of all rodents and are much more species-specific in their prey (i.e. if they eat rodents, they usually don't eat many other types of genera, so those other non-rodent species remain safe), and 3) you have absolutely zero concept of the natural world, ecology, biology, and evolutionary principles.
That's what makes a person like you myopic to the absurd.
Do you comprehend the meaning of "myopic" now?
Thanks for admitting that you are in favor of torturing cats for two years instead of them dying humanely. Heinously torturing cats with death by attrition is TNR's only purpose.”
“B Kleitz, btw: you might like to know that if you do have a mouse problem, then you can blame your non-hunting cats for them being there.
Any rodents infected with the common cats'-parasite Toxoplasma gondii lose their fear of cats and are actually attracted to cat urine. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070403-cats-rats.html
The often proclaimed use for cats to control rodents is now false. Cats actually attract rodents to your home, with their whole slew of flea-borne and other diseases.”
“B Kleitz, there's no sense making-up anecdotal evidence. It is WELL KNOWN that the more well-fed a cat is, the more it kills wildlife. The healthier they are, the more they kill. It's what cats do, it's what they are. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. THEY DON'T KILL FOR FOOD UNLESS THEY HAVE TO. THE REST OF THE TIME THEY JUST ENJOYING KILLING FOR KILLING'S SAKE. That's a FACT. Documented, studied, and confirmed. What is also well-known is that a small percentage of cats have lost some of their hunting instinct. If your fabrications actually are true, consider yourself the owner of the exception, not the norm.
To further prove you are making up fabrications, if there actually were that many mice around, then NATIVE PREDATORS would have moved in to dispatch all the rodents. Owls, hawks, snakes, fox, and any other native wildlife that enjoys a good McMouse Burger. KNOWING THIS FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE after having gotten rid of all cats on my rural land, I put forth that everything you just typed is 100% lie.”
There is even the case in the Dakotas where there exists an extremely toxic and deadly salamander. So deadly that one camper died from just drinking a cup of coffee where the salamander accidentally got into the coffee-pot. The salamander a bright red to alert others to its toxicity. But the local variant of the Garter Snake has been eating this species for so many hundreds of years that it developed a resistance to this poison -- to the point that no other animal can eat this salamander. The salamander stepping up its toxicity, the snake stepping up its resistance. Staying in step, staying in balance.
Now put that salamander out on the east-coast and let a Garter Snake there eat it. Guess what happens. THEY DIDN'T EVOLVE TOGETHER so the east-coast snake instantly dies. Introducing this salamander on the east-coast would kill all Garter-Snakes and ensure an explosion of deadly salamanders.
Really, if you're going to try to argue about evolution, genetics, and prey/predator relationships, shouldn't you have at least a base understanding of the underlying principles? You need to go find a topic where you being a TROLL isn't so easily revealed.”
“And I'm only instinctively doing what I must do, destroy an invasive-species cat that is destroying the very fabric of life itself. You can stop that. I can too. Which method do you prefer? Better get busy, I've already got rid of them all on my land. How many are still in your area? If you don't get rid of them, someone eventually will. And it won't be how you like it.”
“A new trend, people notify their neighbors they are leasing their land for cat-recreation. As high as $10,000 per day, per cat. Any cat documented, the owner is sent a bill. Land-owners can define any price for use of their land. A movie-company just photographing your home can cost them big bucks. Irresponsible cat-owners are being forced into poverty, becoming just as homeless as feral-cats. I wonder if they learn respect and consideration then. Probably not. But at least someone got their just deserts. The land-owner is now legally taking property from the cat-owner just like the cat-owner has been illegally taking property from the land-owner all these years. What was it these cat-lovers were saying about karma?
p.s. Cat-owners releasing cats in areas zoned for livestock have no legal grounds to sue anyone. Even if the shooter hands their dead cat back to them, saying, "I shot your cat, here it is. Better luck next time." Though local law-enforcement frowns on this, criminally-irresponsible cat-owner will just raise a stink, wasting law-enforcement's valuable time coddling an ex-cat-owning idiot. Hence the popular "SSS Cat Management" method to save your gendarmes the further hassle by ex-cat-owning trouble-makers. Can people keep chickens in your area? Then any cat is legal target-practice -- and should be. They qualify to be disposed of on-sight in accordance with all invasive-species laws.”
“It appears the moderators won't let me reply to you in the manner I choose. So just chalk this up to them not wanting anyone to feed the Nature Nut troll. (p.s. Thanks for finding I had another account here. I guess my browser dropped the logon info or I would have used that account instead. I attempt to educate ineducable cat-lovers so many places, it's easy to lose track. I'd try to logon with that other account to give myself more favorite hits, but I'm not here for a little-girl's popularity contest -- like you are.)”
“Lions have tasted zebras for many thousands of years as they evolved alongside each other. Stripes on zebras are used to confuse the predator. Other animals use striping for camouflage. These are the exception, not the norm. The bold yellow and black stripes on bees and wasps alert all animals that they have a poisonous defense. The bold stripes on a Lionfish alert other fishes that they are poisonous. The Saddleback Caterpillar's bold pattern says poisonous. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these examples. Some of the most well known and obvious being the Poison-Dart Frogs.
A cat with bold areas of black and white is easily perceived by wildlife as a possible skunk. Since members of the canine species don't usually even perceive color, then ANY bold colors on a cat are perceived as skunk. (Domesticated dogs being the exception as a predator. Many of their instincts have been bred out of them. And as any country dog-owner knows, they keep the skunk-deodorant handy because dogs always get skunked, over and over.) If a zebra was found in the woods of North America, it too would be suspected of being a large skunk by native wildlife because it had never seen one before, but it sure as hell knows what black and white stripes mean.
Wildlife does not watch "The Nature Channel", idiot. At least your name on-line is accurate. You know absolutely nothing about nature. "Nature NUT" fits you to a T.”
nature nut on Sep 30, 2011 at 11:39:41
“What, then, is your explanation for non-domestic canines' predation of skunks? Foxes and coyotes will make a meal of a skunk. Badgers will also. Raptors routinely take young skunks and in fact stomach content analysis shows that skunks comprise a staple in the diet of the great horned owl.
Will you allow that chickadees and certain male finches have bold color patterns? I have seen a shrike take a chickadee and have seen both chickadees and wild finches impaled on hawthornes. Shrikes, themselves birds with pronounced areas of black and white, are taken by other raptors and loons are taken by bald eagles with whom they share habitat.
Our northern leopard frog is prey to too many species to name.
I know that distinct coloration protects many species but your assertions are way too general.”
“It was easier to log onto this site using facebook than signing up a new account. And this negates all my comments, how? Btw, if I had a Woodsman account here I would have used it. MORON. All that you manged to prove is that you're a deranged net-stalker. Good going! :-)”
nature nut on Sep 29, 2011 at 23:40:06
“Are you saying you don't have one here? Because that would be silly. All anyone would have to do to establish the fact would be to enter "Woodsman001" + "Huff Post" to read your tired old cut and paste anti-cat rubbish.
But I shouldn't taunt you and I'm sorry. If you had diabetes instead of a mental illness it would be unthinkable ridicule you.”
“"Natural Predation" includes humans getting rid of excess cats. I know lots of people that blame the disappearance of someone's cat by telling the cat-owner that a "raccoon" must have eaten them. Otherwise the cat-owner will raise a stink on the fact that their neighbor kindly got rid of their excess invasive-species cats for them.
I have proved on my own land that native predators will neither eat nor even go near a cat with bold patterns in their coats. In fact when observing this the native predators would actually run away from any cat they spotted, even if that cat was dead. It had nothing to do with the perceived ferociousness of that cat, just its coat pattern alone was enough. Bold patterns are a universal symbol to all wildlife everywhere, from ocean to land and insect to mammal, that that animal is harboring some toxic or other deadly hidden defense mechanism. The only cats that native predators will go after are those with no strong pattern in their coat. And even then, usually only if starving, because cats did not evolve along with native predators in most every area of the world today. Even their shape is foreign to native predators. They won't risk eating an unknown food unless they have no other choice (which is usually caused by cats destroying the native predators native food sources).”
nature nut on Sep 29, 2011 at 22:47:03
“" Bold patterns are a universal symbol to all wildlife everywhere, from ocean to land and insect to mammal, that that animal is harboring some toxic or other deadly hidden defense mechanism."
“By allowing cats to roam free you have neither respect nor compassion, for anything, not even your cats. You've made that perfectly clear. The only one that thinks you have respect or compassion for anything is your deluded self.”
“The last person that thought I was kidding, thought so so much that they typed LOL's and ROFLMAO's. Then I posted a photo of a pile of freshly shot dead cats for them. They no longer thought I was kidding, and they most certainly weren't laughing anymore.
There's nothing amusing nor enjoyable about having to destroy a living creature. But when that living creature is destroying all others in its wake -- IT MUST GO.
Good thing I don't believe in reincarnation too, huh.”
“Flesh-eating bacteria and ebola are free spirits too, they want to exist everywhere they can. How about if we release them in your home to see how much you think about the "free spirit" of other living organisms after that?”
Seymoreclearly on Sep 30, 2011 at 15:55:19
“Don't be cheeky. And on another note, what I said about you before is no longer conjecture. You are a really sad person.”
I wasted 15 YEARS arguing with cat-lovers. During which THEIR _INVASIVE_SPECIES_ CATS DESTROYED ALL NATIVE WILDLIFE ON MY LAND.
It wasn't til I STOPPED arguing, and on sheriff's advice did what HAD to be done -- SHOOT ALL CATS -- that my land, all the wildlife, and my life itself started to return to normal. I no longer go out twice a day on cat-patrol to shoot more, nor waste time burying them to protect wildlife from cat-diseases. Much to the dismay of TNR LIARS' psychotic "vacuum effect". NO CATS returned. Native predators and wildlife that BELONG HERE returned.
You can argue with the Toxo-parasites in cat-lovers' brains til your world is destroyed by cats, but it'll never get rid of cats that destroyed it.
DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE -- DESTROY THEM.
AFTER your land and life are 100% cat-free have fun educating others. Use the time you got back from their cats taking over your life to share cat eradication methods. If you want, make YOUR life THEIR problem. Just as they made THEIR cats YOUR problem for years. It's only fair! Because that's what it's really all about. It's not about cats at all. THEY ONLY WANT TO CONTROL YOUR LIFE WITH THEIR CATS. You put a stop to that immediately BY DESTROYING THEIR CATS. There's not ONE THING they can do about it if you do it humanely. They'll no longer have any part of your life.”
“If karma was true, then every cat owner that lets cats roam free would be skinned and gutted alive and allowed to slowly suffer to death, just like what their cats do to all wildlife. Do you still want to believe in karma?”
Seymoreclearly on Sep 30, 2011 at 15:49:21
“Where you're concerned, Forest, doubley so. Karma is meted out against the offender. The cat is only doing what it naturally, instinctively does.
“Interesting anecdote, I was so glad the owls finally moved back. And at one time in such numbers that there'd be a parliament of 5 of them every evening having hooting matches in my yard. I missed their sounds at night so much (when they left because cats destroyed all their foods). One became a friend. It would sit for days in a tree not 5 feet from where I'd stand looking at it or passing by. A couple times it even dove down into the grass near my feet to snatch a vole it spotted that I stirred-up by walking near it.
Another interesting thing, now that the cats are gone I no longer have a mouse problem in the house. I never had a mouse problem until I started to get a cat problem. I never spotted a mouse outside but I sure got a lot of them in the house. Now that cats are gone, so too are the mice in the house. My repeater traps haven't caught even one mouse this year. I now suspect this has something to do with cats attracting rodents to any area where the cats are. From cats spreading their T. gondii parasites to rodents, which makes rodents attracted to cat urine. The cats were effectively drawing mice to the area and then the mice would seek shelter in my home.
I'd rather have an owl, hawk, fox, or any other animal catching mice in the area than a cat.”
“Dog owners that let their dogs roam free are no different. There are just far less few that cause problems than cat-lovers do. There are strict laws most everywhere to not allow dogs to roam free. There are laws in place in nearly every (if not all) state of the USA where it is MANDATORY to shoot any dog on sight that is harassing wildlife. It is considered as your civic responsibility to do so. (Don't believe me, city-dweller? Google it.) Dog owners usually know this and keep their dogs safe. Now I'm letting cat owners know that the very same will happen to their cats, and that there are even laws in support of this through the invasive-species laws that every citizen needs to respect and carry out -- destroy on sight.”
“There's now a valid medical reason why the iconic "Crazy Cat-Lady" as portrayed in media such as "The Simpsons", et.al., truly does exist, Toxoplasma gondii cat-parasites that have infested a human mind. "Crazy Cat-Lady" is not just an urban caricature. This parasite actually controls human minds to ensure the survival of the parasite. Even to the point of wanting to harm humans to protect the parasite in their mind.
Get tested for Toxoplasma gondii if you are defending and assisting these destructive invasive-species cats. Listed in the TOP 100 WORST invasive species of the world in the Global Invasive-Species Database and will destroy all wildlife in any area. Native prey becomes tortured play-toys for the cats, native predators starve to death from cats destroying their only food sources. And contrary to first impressions, the more well-fed they are the more they senselessly kill wildlife. The healthier they are the more they kill. These cats, genetically engineered through selective breeding, have the largest prey-base of any predator and breed faster than any native cat species in the world. They have no more right to be out in nature than some genetically engineered insect that, if released out into nature, would destroy all wildlife -- JUST AS CATS DO. If your local government honors invasive-species laws, it is your moral and civic duty to destroy them on-sight wherever they are found away from safe confinement and roaming freely out in nature.”
“Look up the term TNR advocates just LOVE use to reduce their feral-cat numbers, their candy-coating feel-good term of "Death by Attrition". This means that their cats will die from disease, attacks, exposure, road-kill, starvation, and any other means that drastically shortens cats' lives. ALL their cats suffering for how many months it takes to die that way. In many parts of this country and the world this clearly falls under the guidelines for cruelty to animals, animal-abuse, animal-endangerment, and animal-abandonment laws. Including being in direct violation of every invasive-species law in existence.
Not only are they cruelly torturing cats, but also all wildlife they inflict their cats upon. Their cats ripping the skin off of and clawing the guts out of wildlife to use it as slowly dying twitching play-toys for their cats. As soon as all the "fun" has drained out of their play-toy, they go on and find another one to torture. This is no different than if cat-owners went to a pet-store and bought canaries and hamsters then threw them at their cats to watch their cats tear them apart for their amusement. What about all the native predators that depend on all those animals for their ONLY food? Their cats cause all those animals to STARVE TO DEATH. TNR-advocates' cruelty knows no bounds.
They're not doing this out of any goodness of their hearts. THEY DON'T HAVE HEARTS. Proved, 100%.”
“Yep, confirmed. You're not intelligent enough to be allowed to own a cat on your own. Vaccination against rabies will not protect you from having your mind infested with T. gondii parasites. That once infect by this parasite are with you for life.”