“I dont agree with many of the positions held by Senator Lugars but virtually every sane person would admit he is one of the Senates formost foreign policy and national security experts. I would be disgusted by his primary defeat if it didn't dramatically improve Democrats chances of picking up a new Senate seat in 2012.
Thank you Tea Baggers!”
JBM83 on May 4, 2012 at 16:47:06
“I guess that shows how shallow you actually are. If he is as you say, "one of the Senates formost foreign policy and national security experts." Then you should be disgusted whether a dem wins or not. Of course that is only if you truely wanted what was best for America.”
“Why do I post like I am a shill for industry? Is it because I don't parrot ideological talking points like so many of the self-righteous food purists. If so, I can understand your confusion.
It is easy to offer up hollow platitudes with no substantive value as a solution to serious and complex problems. But for those of us that actually study the issues and work full-time to solve these serious and complex problems it is not so easy. We need to develop real solutions, that can be implemented in the real world.
Real solutions can't ignore the economic and associated humanitarian realities that exist in global food production. Fortunately you can ignore all of these issues because, truthfully, you are only interested in talking about solutions. If you had worked hard to achieve real solutions you would understand what I was talking about.”
“I think it is great that you feel morally obligated to see that low incme families get safe food. At this stage of the game I would be happy if the poorest people on the planet simply got food. Regardless, I would like to hear your solution to this problem. Feeling morally obligated is all weel and good but it doesn't solve the problem.
Lastly, you missed Lyons point. If you have the money to aviod factory raised beef, great. The poorest people on the planet still cant even afford factory raised beef. This is not an American problem, it is a global problem. Remember H1N1 emerged from a piggery in Mexico, not the USA.”
“The cost of producing animal protein will increase substantially if we relied on pasture-raised beef. Since you have the luxury of wasting your time with frivolous endeavors like hugging trees I suspect you have money. This is a luxury most people do not have.
Beef prices are set by the global marketplace. These prices are determined by supply and demand. Malnutrition and dietary deficiencies are a serious problem for millions of people and one of the most cost-effective solutions is to increase their caloric intake: add animal protein to their diets.
There is more than enough food to feed all 7 billion people on the planet. But over a million starve to death each year and tens of millions more are malnourished simply because they lack the financial resources to feed their families. Additionally, governments have been unwilling to subsidize the cost of bringing adequate nutrition to the poorest marketplaces on the planet. If we rid the world of CAFOs as you smugly suggest the cost for animal protein increases and the most vulnerable people on the planet go without.
We need cost-effective solutions to combat the increasing risk of emerging diseases in animal agriculture. Eliminating CAFOs may work for you but it is not a viable solution for the poorest people on the planet. This is why we will never get rid of CAFOs.”
“As a biologist who looks at the microbiological interactions between wildlife and livestock I am thrilled with these voluntary steps. I do not believe mandating reductions in antibiotic use is a smart way to approach this problem. I believe if we eliminated use of all antibiotics on CAFOs without developing novel, cost-effective biosecurity practices, we will see a spike in morbidity and mortality in herds and increased contamination of human food products.
Also I have a problem with the separation of antibiotic use for feed conversion efficiency and herd health. I don’t think these are separate issues. From my understanding, use of antibiotics reduces morbidity which contributes significantly to weight gain in cattle.
The industry is very aware and concerned with these issues. I have heard individuals argue that the industry is intentionally poisoning the consumer for profits. This I believe that argument is complete nonsense. The industry needs cost-effective solutions to these problems and we need additional microbiological, ecological, and economic research to provide them answers. From my experience the industry would jump at the chance to address these problems if they had data to act upon. Let’s give it to them.”
hugatree on Apr 12, 2012 at 12:39:46
“How about this "novel" idea -- get rid of CAFOs which seem to be the root of the problem in the first place.”