“Judging from the comments, this movie is going to stir a lot of strong opinions!
But maybe we can step back for a second and see that the idea Bruce is promoting isn't all that shocking. It's simply this: We should act in ways that don't cause others to suffer. And because animals can suffer, too, we should do what we can to reduce the suffering we cause them. Sounds pretty sensible to me.
The ways we treat animals today are just about as far from this idea as you can get. So before ringing any alarm bells about the "vegan militia" causing civilization to grind to a halt, I hope everyone will pause, take a look at what's going on inside factory farms, and then ask themselves, "Is this the best we can do?"”
“The ducks are force-fed during the last few weeks of their lives. Regardless of how they are treated before then, those weeks are torture, especially as they enter the late stages of the force feeding process. During the force-feeding process, the ducks are moved to individual cages or small pens. (I've never heard of any foie gras producer who denies that's what's done... they do, however, emphasize how well the ducks are treated before the force-feeding begins, as if that makes force-feeding humane.)”
Parkite on Oct 25, 2011 at 16:43:03
“They have stopped using the small cages and confinement that you are referring to.”
“So you don't actually have a video of it? There doesn't appear to be one on the link you provide - just a lot of PR from the guided tour at Hudson Valley Foie Gras. There is, however, no small amount of footage of ducks being grabbed and having the metal pipe shoved down their throats (see the link in my post above). That's what you see when you show up unannounced. How can you watch that and say they run up to the feeder? It's patently untrue.”
“Not everyone would consider that foie gras. But if there is a small farm in Spain producing foie gras-like goose livers without force-feeding, then great. But there is no way that farm can meet the demand here. And it must be extraordinarily expensive (much more so than foie gras is already). I have spoken with 100+ chefs who serve foie gras - none of them use this guy or have even considered it. So if foie gras is served in the US, it comes from tortured ducks.”
mothergrace on Oct 19, 2011 at 20:11:55
“All I am saying is that if there is a method then we could have left the door open for people to produce it and sell it as a high ticket item by demanding that all foie gras be produced that way rather than by banning it outright.
I buy my meat from small, local farmers and a lot of people say that can't feed the world but if more people supported it and people got away from the "Eat a 72 oz. steak and it is free!" mentality, we might have something.”
“That's simply not true. I would ask you to produce video evidence of ducks running up to the feeder. Nobody has ever been able to do so. And on what basis can you claim that Hudson Valley and Sonoma Artisan treat their ducks humanely? The abuse that goes on inside those farms is well documented (see the link in my post above). There's nothing humane about it.”
Parkite on Oct 25, 2011 at 16:38:26
“Again here is the link that contains all the info that you are looking for re Hudson Valley & Sonoma Artisan. The link you have is outdated. They have changed their practices. http://www.artisanfarmers.org/”
“Most restaurants in the country buy their foie gras from one of three producers: Hudson Valley Foie Gras, Sonoma Artisan, or La Belle Farms. What's done there is extremely cruel (there is footage from inside each of those farms at www.StopForceFeeding.com). Ducks and geese that are not force-fed do not produce a large enough liver to be cost-effective. And that makes sense... a bird still have to be able to fly, so, on its own, it will eat only enough to make its liver swell to about twice the normal size. Force-feeding, on the other hand, is done until the liver is more than 10 times the normal size. Which is why ducks in the late stages of the force-feeding process have trouble walking and breathing and sometimes even hemorrhage.”
garystartswithg on Oct 19, 2011 at 20:12:13
“funny how people don't want facts to get in the way of a slab of liver. the appeal of foie gras imho is ego driven. nobody thinks chicken liver is that special, and there isn't that much difference.”
“There is no such thing as "a humane supplier" of foie gras. Force-feeding a duck to make its liver swell to more than 10 times its normal size causes immense suffering - there is no shortage of veterinarians, pathologists, and aviary experts who have testified to that. If the author wants to argue against the other forms of cruelty described above, great. But pretending that foie gras isn't cruel just so the article can have "a hook" and get some extra hits is pretty shameless.”
Parkite on Oct 25, 2011 at 16:35:08
“Try doing some research from other sources. There are veterinarians and animal husbandry people that have looked the issue of modern foie gras practices and not found to be harmful. http://www.artisanfarmers.org/”
BrooklynChef on Oct 19, 2011 at 19:39:56
“Have you ever actually witnessed gavage? The ducks gladly crowd around the feeder for their force feeding. Foie Gras is not cruel. Factory farms in some parts of Europe that produce it are. Hudson Valley and Sonoma treat their ducks humanely.”
mothergrace on Oct 19, 2011 at 18:56:52
“I believe there are some producers of foie gras, even in France, who do not use gravage but just make plentiful food that is extremely attractive to the ducks available. Animals usually eat when given the chance because of the nature of foraging, so they eat a lot themselves without artificial stuffing.”
“Foie gras is made by jamming a long metal tube down the throats of ducks and force feeding them for 3 to 4 weeks until their livers have swollen to more than 10 times their normal size. There's nothing natural or humane about that. It's really one of the most extreme forms of factory farming out there, which is why 15 countries have banned its production. If you want to see what the inside of a foie gras farm looks like, check out www.StopForceFeeding.com. James Bond will tell you all about it.”
FredDerf on Aug 26, 2011 at 17:57:36
“Yea, I know that. So what?”
ScoopLV on Aug 26, 2011 at 13:30:55
“Many farms manage to fatten their GEESE without shoving tubes down their throats. (The best foie is made from goose. Duck is good, too. But goose is better.)
Fact is, once you've succeeded in banning foie, then you'll turn your attention to banning something else. Cuy, perhaps. And then you'll ban the consumption of animals working downward based on their "cuteness." You Vegan Khmer Rouge types aren't going to be happy until meat is off the menu worldwide. And nobody is allowed to have housepets (a PETA platform. Google it.) And we're all living in caves, eating bark and twigs.”
heboprotagonist on Aug 25, 2011 at 23:27:58
“Not all fois gras is made by jamming a long metal tube down the throats of ducks. Fois Gras has been around longer than metal tubes.
It is unfortunate that technology has taken this traditional rustic delicacy and sped it up, harming the animals in the process.
Chefs that are truly embracing the "farm to table" movement should raise their own ducks and make fois gras the old fashioned way. Conversely, animal rights activists that complain about the treatment of animals should never eat them. Bloggers who don't know the difference should keep their mouths shut.”
Americatheteenager on Aug 25, 2011 at 21:55:38
“Isn't that kind of like the feed lots used everywhere in America to fatten the cows???”
TouchedByHisNoodlyness on Aug 25, 2011 at 20:44:29