“First of all, most of the time cops are already waiting outside of bars to stop people for DUI. If you are drinking responsibly this shouldn't be a problem but if someone knowingly gets into a car and they are shitfaced, it is eveyones problem and people should be mandated reporters because it is a crime. She shouldn't have let that person leave in that condition to begin with but if there was no stopping it then the only next right decision she could make was to notify the police of a crime, the END!”
“By reducing student loan interest rates and enacting the loan fogiveness act, Obama is trying to fullfill his campaign promises of making education affordable. They act like he is just trying to get people's votes this election year, the reason I voted for him in the first place was because he believed in education and making it affordable.”
“I received a few comments, to my comments and all i have to say is that I understand that not all people are going to agree so by embracing our differences and making it possible to learn about each others differences would be more beneficial than fighting over them. And for PirateJohn I hear what you were trying to say with your comment but I think the oppression of blacks was a far more serious issue than this one. And in this case the people who believe in God are the one's that are being oppressed.”
paulrugg on Feb 19, 2012 at 03:31:22
“Stop confusing being oppressed with not always getting what you want. There IS a difference. A HUGE difference.”
Beccs on Feb 19, 2012 at 01:28:18
“Sorry, but if you want to know about oppression, talk to the Jews.”
mistercoyote on Feb 18, 2012 at 20:08:19
“"And in this case the people who believe in God are the one's that are being oppressed.”
WHAT?? How exactly are they being oppressed? They can say their prayers until they're blue in the face and read stuff like the prayer on the school wall until the cows come home. They just can't do it in a PUBLIC school--i.e. paid for by everybody, not just believers and for the use of everybody, not just believers. How is that oppression?? I can't wait to hear.”
Houyhnhnm on Feb 18, 2012 at 20:04:42
“"the people who believe in God are the one's [sic] that are being oppressed." That's a huge steaming pile of bs. Oppressed? Oppressed? Really? Please explain that.
Or, just go sacrifice a chicken or whathaveyou in your unoppressed, tax-free temple, but whatever you do, you have no right to force your version of mysticism on others. What astounding hubris.”
jemkee on Feb 18, 2012 at 18:28:54
“How could you possibly think that people who believe in god are being oppressed? They are still able to express their personal religious views, to attend the religious institution of their choice, to wear religious symbols and garb, to practice their religions free from government interference, to pray when and where they want, to participate in religious ceremonies and rituals... what rights have they lost? What rights of theirs have been infringed?
They are simply not allowed to use publicly- or governmentally-funded institutions to promote their views...in other words, they are being prevented from oppressing others. That's not oppression by any standard.”
afwxman adrop on Feb 18, 2012 at 17:53:23
“"your comment but I think the oppression of blacks was a far more serious issue than this one."
Oppression is still oppression, and our taxes should not fund any degree of oppression regardless of magnitude.”
NunyaBus99 on Feb 18, 2012 at 14:17:30
“But they are not being oppressed. They can still pray all they want, read from the bible all they want. The school is in violation of the Constitution. It is that simple. The school refused to compromise. The gist of the banner could have stayed if they just removed 2 phrases. They were clearly unreasonable. (the school board).”
Chris Harriman on Feb 18, 2012 at 13:23:44
“'Oppression' is not the correct word to describe your not being allowed to see a religious banner in a public high school auditorium in Rhode Island.
Save that word for situations in which, you know, some actual oppression happens.
Know one is under attack here, you have every single religious freedom today that you did before all of this. The only thing that has changed is an unconstitutional display was removed. Get some perspective.”
Joe Jacovino on Feb 18, 2012 at 13:11:18
“People who believe in God are not being oppressed here, but rather, a law, written into our Constitution, was being violated. That is the main issue here, all other sub-issues aren't what the judge ruled on, he did not rule that God exists or doesn't exist, or that you do or don't have the right to worship, at your CHURCH, which is not state run, as the school in Cranston was, therefore being a place where a singular viewpoint regarding God can't be put on public display. Do you get it yet?”
NellWebbish on Feb 18, 2012 at 13:08:02
“The people who believe in God are being oppressed? Really? Last I knew it was a public school that was ordered to take down a banner.
Are people who believe in God being stopped from having the prayer painted on the side of the house, printed on a t-shirt or from chanting it out loud at a properly permitted protest? Are they being barred from their place of worship? Arrested for their faith? Prevented from owning their holy book, wearing symbols of their religion or clothing required by their faith? Stopped from praying, from raising their children in their religion? Are they being discriminated against in employment, housing or being allowed to run for public office because of their religion?
How again are people who believe in God being oppressed?”
Jie Jones on Feb 18, 2012 at 12:48:58
“How are they being oppressed, Lisa? Really.
Sounds like your grip on Constitutionality is as weak as your understanding of oppression.”
prius04 on Feb 18, 2012 at 12:46:41
“And those who believe in the Constitution vindicated.”
AZLibDem on Feb 18, 2012 at 12:38:35
“"And in this case the people who believe in God are the one's that are being oppressed. "
How? They enjoy numerous protections, tax breaks for their institutions, accommodations of all kinds, and when their rights are threatened, the ACLU goes to bat for them.
What possible definition of "oppression" could you be using?”
“I don't get it. Is an athiest saying that because some banner has been hanging on the wall of a school for 50 years, that she has to now start believeing in God. It's not about having a shaky faith it is about having our rights taken away while allowing athiest to have theirs. People who believe in God don't have a problem with people who don't. Athiest's are the one with the problem as they are the ones who always seem to be offended by the beliefs of others.”
lcr999 on Feb 18, 2012 at 21:57:17
“It is essentially "advertising for God". If it were a banner that said "go to Church on Sunday", it would be clearly unconstitutional even to the dunderheads on the school board. Likewise, if it said "Allah is great" , they would certainly object.
Anyone who doesnt see this hasn't learned much about the consitution.”
Tenacious B 73 on Feb 18, 2012 at 19:07:40
“" it is about having our rights taken away while allowing athiest to have theirs."
YOUR RIGHTS WEREN'T TAKEN AWAY. Nobody's were. And certainly not taken away in favor of "allowing atheists to have theirs"...that would require the banner be removed and replaced with an atheist banner. Removing the banner and having NO banner is neutral (secular), not atheist. I'll find you an atheist banner if you want to see what it would look like if they were to "allow atheists to have their (way, view)" and not you.
Everyone still has their exact same rights intact. The SCHOOL doesn't have the right to express a religious opinion. But individuals still do. You, nor anyone else, even an overwhelming majority, DO/DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to use government property for religious expression as if that religious sentiment is being professed by the school. Wear it on a TShirt? Yes. Get 99% of the school to wear it on a TShirt? Yes. Put it up on the wall owned by all citizens, without welcoming ALL other views right next to it? NO.”
pfreddie88 on Feb 18, 2012 at 12:50:48
“No, we're just saying that we don't beleive that Christianity is the only game in town, or that we are worse for not believing in your religion. This was a public building paid for with public funds. There was no reason for e Christian prayer to be in there, even if a whole bunch of people are Christians. Christians are welcome to put prayers in their churches, their homes, and their businesses. They are not allowed to do so in building paid for with public funds.”
AZLibDem on Feb 18, 2012 at 09:48:59
“"Is an athiest saying that because some banner has been hanging on the wall of a school for 50 years, that she has to now start believeing in God."
No, she saw it, and she immediately realized it was unconstitutional, and she spoke up; at the start, she honestly, and by her own admission naively, believed that it had stayed up by mistake,”
pfreddie88 on Feb 18, 2012 at 04:37:21
“No, but athiests are eary of Christians' incessant assertation that there way is the right way, the only way, and the way that the rest of us have to be. This is a Christian banner in a secularly and publically funded building. It was not OK>”
“Why should one person who is athiest get to decide for others who didn't have a problem with the banner. Who is protecting the rights of the other students who want that banner there? It hasn't been a problem for almost 50 years and one person has the power to undo something that, has had meaning for other students for years. If she didn't like it then don't look at it. Why is it that athiest have rights while others are having their's stripped away. If it's been there that long it should be seen as just part of the building. Why can't religious freedoms and ideals be embraced instead of torn down, maybe that student should have focused more on her studies, instead of trying to cause problems where non existed. No wonder the world is falling apart. Why should we have to respect the rights of athiest's when they obviously don't respect ours.”
lcr999 on Feb 18, 2012 at 21:39:15
“Its called the Bill of Rights and it specifically protects MINORITIES.”
mistercoyote on Feb 18, 2012 at 10:02:00
“Uh, not everyone in America is a Christian. Had that ever occurred to you?”
PirateJohn on Feb 18, 2012 at 02:52:59
“Why should one person named Rosa Parks who was black get to decide for others who don't have a problem with segregated buses? Who is protecting the rights of whites who want to sit at the front of the bus? It wasn't a problem for almost 50 years and one person had the power to undo something that has had meaning for whites for years. If she didn't like it then don't use the bus. Why is it that blacks have rights while others are having theirs stripped away? Blacks sat in the back of the bus that long it should be seen as just their designated seating area. Why can't segregation be embraced instead of torn down? Maybe Rosa Parks should have focused more on where she was going instead of cause problems where none existed. No wonder the world is falling apart. Why should we have to respect blacks when they obviously don't respect ours?”
bklynsparrow on Feb 18, 2012 at 02:29:11
“what rights are those? To read a banner? There is no constitutional right to read a religious banner in a public school. What rights have they had stripped away? Are they no longer allowed to pray or go to church? Will the Christmas holidays or easter be forfeit? Really, the hysteria over this 16 year old who dared to speak out against religion in a public school- where it shouldn't have been in the first place And maybe she wouldn't have cared so much if bishops and fundamentalist Christians weren't trying so hard to infringe on everyone else's rights. But I don't hear you complaining about that..”
Tazirai on Feb 18, 2012 at 01:56:51
“Schools get federal dollars. Churches get federal dollars. Thereby both Violate Church State laws. Even if she was half an athiest, there should be no religious grouping of one religion over another, just because more people do it.
Basically blame the founders. Churches and religious groups can't always get their way, when people call them out on breaking the law.”
EmmaDarian on Feb 18, 2012 at 00:52:54
“"Why should one person who is athiest get to decide for others who didn't have a problem with the banner."
Because the banner was unconstitutional. So, it doesn't matter if one person or one thousand people wanted it to come down, or if one person or one thousand people wanted it to stay. What matters is the law.
" Why is it that athiest have rights while others are having their's stripped away."
No one lost a single right because of the judge's decision (which you really should read).
We all have the same rights. That's what you don't get. What Jessica Ahlquist did was protect your religious freedom, even if you're too uninformed and emotional to understand that.”
The church is a gathering place in which the spirit of Christ's love and forgiveness should be felt, not a place of condemnation and rigid moral standards. People are truly suffering from all sorts of afflictions and need healing and comforting, let God be the judge and make the church a place which welcomes all God's children, saints and sinners.”
“Even though many younger nuns are joining more tradtional orders, that dosen't mean that somewhere along the way they will stay true to the traditional way. Many of the seemingly "radical nuns" have been down in the trenches longer, and they can see more clearly the work that needs to be done in our society. They, like Jesus walk along side of those most in need, the destitute, lonley, poor, drug addicted and misunderstood of our society. They understand the meaning of God's message to be one of love, outreach and understanding. They probably are not worried about living up to a moral standard as outlined by the church when it means turning there back on those in need, and for those who deserve God's love and forgiveness just like anyone else. I feel that the message of Jesus has not been accurately depected in the teachings of the church. I think that the "churches", teachings are what's being taught. God speaks to everyone's heart and is in everyone's soul. For the church to claim authority over that by claiming that they are the Authentic teachers on faith and morals, means that God only lives in them and that they are the only ones who know God's heart. God lives in each and everyone of us and he will reveal his truth to us. If someone sins, the forgiveness they seek should come from God not from the church.”
seachange525 on Apr 21, 2012 at 12:10:28
“I'm with you, sister! Fanned, faved and exactly what I believe. Have you read the brilliant works of Cynthia Bourgeault on this very topic?”
“One Republican commented that we should look at reducing state health care costs so that money that went to colleges and universities could still be there. So it's like stealing from one thing to pay for another. Health care costs are high because instead of focusing on people getting well, we are focused on how much money can be made from someone being sick. There is never a logical solution in Congress just alot of bantoring back and forth that dosen't amount to anything. Then everyone goes and plays a round of golf and retires to there nice homes. People need a good health care system that intergrates alternative health modalities as a step towards wellness instead of the run around people get from a broken health care system. We should be working to make sure that people have the oppurtunity to be healthy not just have a healthcare system that is there when people are sick. Student loans should be affordable and I am glad that Obama accelerated this program because I am 51 years old and am in my last semester of undergraduate studies, I work full time and could use the help. It's not like he's giving a hand out. He is fullfulling his promise to make college more affordable. That's why I voted for him. If he would have waited for Congress to decide on something it would never happen. Good for you Mr. Obama!”