“We both know if it had been a girl and 2 male teachers, you'd be up in arms.It's sad that people like you exist.You think it's fine as long as it wasn't a girl.People like you make this world a horrible place, because you don't defend innocent children against abuse unless they're the right gender.”
“I see you still choose to avoid the question.It's because we both know the answer.Had it been a girl, you'd be saying differently - because you're a hypocrite.”
S Augustyn on May 28, 2013 at 23:43:14
“How did you ever learn to write? It is obvious you never learned to read. I've answered your question repeatedly. And I will do it again. NO not okay for girl or boy. But you are too busy being accusatory to really read what I have written. Now go away and stay away.”
“You never answered the question. What if it was a little girl forced by 2 male teachers.Would you be saying the same thing? We both know you'd be singing a different tune then,because you're a hypocrite.You're ok with the abuse because it was a boy.Had it been a girl, you'd be up in arms.”
“Right-wing didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a president.
Right-wing didn't get mad when Cheney allowed energy company officials to dictate energy policy
Right-wing didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed
Right-wing didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed
Right-wing didn't get mad when the U.S illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us
Right-wing didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion and counting on that illegal war
Right-wing didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq
Right-wing didn't get mad when you found out the U.S was torturing people
Right-wing didn't get mad when the government illegally wiretapping Americans
Right-wing didn't get mad when Bush decided Bin Laden was no longer a priority
Right-wing didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed
Right-wing didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark
Right-wing didn't get mad when the government decided any American can be held indefinitely by labeling them an "enemy combatant"
Right-wing only got mad when government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they're sick.That's right.Illegal wars,lies, corruption,torture, stealing your tax dollars to give to the rich in bailouts? All of this is ok.But, helping other Americans? HELL NO! The right-wing are selfish, greedy,obnoxious,narcissistic,and stupid.”
By told his mother, mother went to the school,and the school lied to her about what happened.Luckily, there was video of the incident.
This is just another example of how the school will ALWAYS lie about what happened.You choose to side with the school because you yourself are a school employee,and therefore an accomplice to any abuse.The 15 year old boy attacked by his teacher wasn't lying, as the video proves.The 8 year old boy who was violently stripped and handled is also telling the truth.His parents are not making anything up,but are going by what they were told, which is what happened. Whatever the school claims is irrelevant,because anything they say is a lie.It's been proven time and time again that schools consistently lie about and deny abuse when it happens.You know this is a fact but you choose to ignore it because like I said,you're part of the problem.”
“Again, i didn't accuse YOU of abuse.I said you supported it, and I stick to that statement.The accused WILL get the chance to defend themselves in court,and I'm not saying they shouldn't have their day in court.What irks me is that like a typical school employee, you side with the school.Who's there to defend the kids? There are kids who don't tell their parents when they're being abused for one reason or another.At least this kid did tell his parents.Now what if the parents didn't bring a lawsuit?The school would have just ignored parents complaint, and I'm almost 100% that's what happened, because that's what always happens.Lawsuits are the only thing schools understand.Any parental complaint that doesn't involve a lawsuit is ignored.
And yes, people like you.People like you are the reason people like me grow up bitter and hateful towards schools,because you would rather defend your co-workers than to defend the children.The only thing worse than abuse is to have people look the other way when it happens and then defend the perpetrator.”
Jun 23, 2012 at 18:41:37
“You said you were uncomfortable because you don't know where to look.That's what my reply was based on.If you're worried about hairs in your food/drink, the concern is over hygiene.Of course, hygiene wasn't your initial reason.”
“I'm not accusing you of abuse, I'm accusing you supporting abuse by looking the other way.You keep saying "both sides",but there aren't 2 sides.The school will deny it, because they always do.This all comes down to one word against the others,and I believe the kids side 100%.The school will deny and/or downplay the situation because that's what they always do.Schools don't care about the kids.Schools don't care if there are abusers in their midst.Schools will happily ignore abuse unless legal action is taken.And like I said before, if this was a girl with 2 male teachers, you would be singing a different tune.hence, the reason i called you(and Debbie) a hypocrite.”
“This isn't a witch hunt.Like I said before, i have first hand experience of how school employees happily abuse, knowing they'll get away with it since other employees either don't know what's going on, or gladly look away while it happens.So when I hear of school employees abusing kids, I'm not surprised, and I always side against them.I'm not the only one either.I know many people who can recall a teacher or secretary,or a nurse or even a janitor who mistreated them in various ways.These people were never fired,never suffered any discipline. Why? Because other school employees always defended them.Now that I know you're a teacher, see why you're quick to defend the school.I was right about you being despicable.You don't care about the kids,you only care about defending other school employees.If I knew where you taught I would organize a massive protest against you,and do it right in front of your school.People like you shouldn't be working with kids.People like you are the reason school employees get away with abuse, because you look the other way.You prefer to side with the abuser rather than the abused.SHAME on you.”
S Augustyn on Jun 23, 2012 at 19:14:31
“You are insane. I don't condone abuse. I never said that. You are jumping to conclusions. Just because I said to wait to hold judgement until both sides are heard, you are accusing me of abuse and would even protest outside my school?
People like me?
Excuse me, but in this country, all people are considered innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone accuses another of a crime does not mean they are guilty. What if I accused you of a crime. Does that mean that you don't get to defend yourself?
And now you are going to protest about me in front of my school and accuse me of abuse just because I am trying to convince you and others not to pass judgement too quickly?
“It's not that people hate the 1%. Many superheroes of fiction are part of the 1%. That's just fiction of course,but in reality too, those idolized are part of the 1%. Athletes, singers, actors, along with other celebrities are filthy rich.Look at the story "A Christmas Carol". At first, we hate Ebenezer Scrooge, but at the end we all like him.It's not because he stopped being rich, because that's not what happened in the story.The readers stop hating him because he stops being a selfish prick.So if the 1% is hated,it's not because because they're rich, it's because they're pricks.As the saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility.The 1% have a lot of power,and what they do affects everyone else.”
“The account of the accused would be denial of the accusations. You believe the schools side would render the story un-newsworthy, which means you believe if someone denies accusations against them, they must be telling the truth.After all, why would anyone deny accusations if they're true?”
S Augustyn on Jun 23, 2012 at 11:19:53
“And you are assuming they are guilty based on the account by parents who don't seem to be good parents in the first place. I am just against witch hunts.”
“Jeffrey Dahmer's parents had no idea he was a monster.No one who knew Jerry Sandusky thought he was capable of what he did.Few people ever believe accusations against someone they know because they're sure they know them well enough, and are certain they're not capable of the accusations against them.Your claims are invalid because of that fact.”
“What if it was a little girl that was stripped and bathed by two male teachers? Would you still be saying we should hold judgement? I doubt it.It's sad and despicable that you tolerate and advocate abuse, as long as the victim is a young boy.”
S Augustyn on Jun 25, 2012 at 01:04:30
“Lorenzio, I am only going to say this once: I do not condone abuse. I do not tolerate it in the least. Stop accusing me of this. I do not support ANYONE who is abusive if they are guilty of it. You have made a lot of unfounded accusations. You are a sick individual who takes his/her anger out of people such as me, and that feels abusive to me.
Do you hound every school official the way you have hounded me?????
Once again, you sick person, I do not tolerate abuse by anyone...school people, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, and especially the abuse by you accusing me of supporting people who are abusive.
I gave you an example of how some parents took a good deed where I bought shoes for a child and the parents accused me of sitting on the child to take his old ones off. I offered the child the new shoes because the child was embarrassed by old stinky shoes. He was grateful. I didn't sit on him. But the parents accused me of doing so. Why??? I have no idea.
That is why I hate it when people jump to conclusions and consider someone guilty just because an accusation has been made.
Now, don't bother me anymore. I've said all I am going to say. It feels like you aren't even reading what I am writing.”
S Augustyn on Jun 23, 2012 at 11:17:55
“I have worked in a school district. There was a boy whose shoes smelt very bad. The students refused to sit by him. We called home and the parents said it was not a problem. We gave the child new shoes and he seemed very happy about the new shoes. The next day the parents were in the office screaming that we sat on the child and yanked his shoes off, calling him names and then threw the shoes away while the child cried.
That is why I say we should wait to hear both sides.”
“Debbie, you know why your comment is BS? Because if this was a little girl stripped and bathed by 2 male teachers, you would be outraged.You wouldn't be saying "the kid will thank them later I assure you".I would bet that everyone here attempting to defend the school employees wouldn't be doing so if it had been a little girl that this happened to.'S Augustyn' wouldn't be saying we should hear hear the other side of this story,and everyone would be calling for blood.I hope everyone takes a good look at the faces of 'Debbie Forthun Kitchen' and 'S Augustyn,because these are the faces of individuals who are ok with abuse as long as it's a boy being abused.You both are despicable people.I bet you're ok with sandusky's abuse of those boys.As long as it's not girls being abused, right? Filthy hypocrites.”
Debbie Forthun Kitchen on Mar 17, 2013 at 12:11:33
“Never saw this till now. Lorenzio you are an odd individual that could probably utilize the gifts of a good therapist. The kid getting forced to shower cannot be the source of all your ranting and malicious comments. Sure I would agree that this can be a moment that the kid could be traumatized but many lessons in life are traumatic. Your utilizing a story about the Brooklyn boy as a similar incident is not even logical...its emotional...putting any action towards boys as horrific. Then to add the Sandusky psycho to my name as an okay person...you are the sick one. The kid needed a shower. Unfortunately he got one in a humiliating way but life is much much crueler than a shower.”
S Augustyn on Jun 23, 2012 at 16:03:59
“So now you are accusing me of abuse just becaue I caution people to hear both sides of the story before jumping to conclusions? Lorenzio, you are just sad. I bet your answer is to put the school people in the lake. If they sank and drowned, you'd consider them innocent, but if they floated you would hang them.
You are wrong in your accusations. Just because I don't join you in your witch hunt, you accuse me of being okay with abuse?????”
“If the people accused are interviewed, of COURSE they'll give a different story.Have you ever known guilty parties to corroborate the accusations against them? People always deny wrongdoing,and because of this, accusations are ALWAYS one-sided stories.Why you automatically side with the school is suspect.I always side against schools because i know how corrupt they can be. I also have first hand experience as to how teachers and other school employees get away with abusing kids,and whenever anyone speak up, they get defended and their long record at the school is mentioned,as if being a long time employee and never getting caught makes them innocent.Just because a teacher or other school employee has a clean record doesn't mean they're not guilty of abuse.It just means they've never been caught.”
S Augustyn on Jun 23, 2012 at 15:57:51
“Lorenzio, stop with the witch hunt! And sorry if I sound "suspect" for siding with the school district. Here is why: I teach in a great school district. There was a little boy who never bathed and his feet smelled horrible, the entire room smelled, and no kids wanted to sit near him. Other parents even called the school asking us to deal with it. We tried calling the little boy's parents, but they denied there was a problem. So we gave the little boy some new shoes. He seemed happy to receive them. But the next day the parents were in the office screaming and yelling about a lawsuit because they claimed we sat on their little boy, pulled his shoes off while he cried, make fun of him, etc.
That is why I feel it is best to withhold judgement until you hear both sides of the story. And in my 25 years working with schools, it always seems the worst parents are the first to get overly defensive.
So stop with your witch hunt until you hear both sides. It is the only fair thing to do. Just because these parents are making accusations does not mean things happened the way they did.”
Debbie Forthun Kitchen on Jun 22, 2012 at 05:12:44
“Someone needed to parent...the kid will thank them later I assure you...”