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David Cameron Rebuked Over 'Myth' Foreign Workers Take Most UK Jobs

David Cameron Rebuked Over 'Myth' Foreign Workers Take Most UK Jobs

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 16:00:44 in UK Politics

“Conveniently ignored the point of the article, eh Jez?
Ah well, you keep on championing the very few business people profiting while the many, many rest of us keep working hard and getting paid less and less under the Conservatives. "Hooray - the rich are getting richer. Hooray. The poor and the middle class are having to pay for that. Hooray."
I guess you're one of the few people that Mr Cameron actually *meant* when he said "in this together", because it sure as sith isn't the majority of the people in his, ahem, care.”
Russell Brand Invites 'God Hates Fags' Westboro Baptist Church On To Show (VIDEO)

Russell Brand Invites 'God Hates Fags' Westboro Baptist Church On To Show (VIDEO)

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 15:40:53 in UK

“There is no understanding of irony, obviously.
There is, however, a capslock key, more's the pity. But as long as you let out all your anger, Huffchum, misplaced as it may be (y'see, I wasn't actually suggesting that there was a God - but taking the premise of others' belief as the starting point of my - what is clearly - counter-argument to implied sanctity of religious texts.)
But thanks for sharing. Best wishes shouting your viewpoint elsewhere, dude.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 4, 2014 at 03:35:35 in UK

“Hi there, Ms_C - right back atcha: Thank You for a well-balanced debate that has many times challenged me to really hone what I think and why... It's been a large pleasure chatting with you, Huffchum; I wish you well, and look forward to chatting with you again soon!”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 3, 2014 at 21:39:37 in UK

“The kind of man who rapes *already* thinks that. Besides, let's imagine that you're right and this poster reinforces this image to men - it *still* speaks to the women involved and warns them that there are some m0r0nic males that think this, and the woman protects herself *against* this kind of male. Result: the woman is still empowered and ready to deal with such a you-know-what - meaning less rapes.
The problem is, the woman can pay attention to the poster to prevent the crime - the rapist cannot, he's not acting rationally. It's like putting up a poster saying "Burglary's illegal: don't do it." It doesn't have as much positive (if any positive) effect on reducing the crime. And if it doesn't work, why waste time doing it when we should be doing all that we *can* do to protect from crime?

The apple/oranges to which i referred is drinking-has-a-negative-effect, and wearing-a-short-skirt-has-a-negative-effect. One is what the poster dealt with, and is true. The other isn't mentioned or suggested by the NHS, and is blatantly not true. Drinking effects the woman's abilities to defend herself, makes her more vulnerable. A woman wearing a short skirt doesn't make her weaker or stronger, and you and I (and any right-thinking human being will) agree that nothing can justify a man forcing himself on a woman. This isn't about making excuses for the rapist, it's about making stronger choices for the potential victim, so they can avoid becoming one. Not blame: Advice.”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 3, 2014 at 23:59:57

“Hi - I get what you are saying but the only way to take the advice on the poster is to never drink. Not only is that unfair, it's also just plain daft advice. The poster doesn't say this happens to drunk women, it says it happens to women who have been drinking. The men who do these kinds of things (and the other behaviours I mentioned) are obviously thinking rationally, otherwise, they'd do it in front of witnesses and go round bragging about it, the way petty criminals do when they steal a car or burgle a house. I say again, most women know the perpetrator. This advice ignores that fact. Maybe the poster should advice women not to drink around men they think they can trust, but we'd never see a poster like that because it puts the blame on the right person. By the way, I am not accusing you when I talk of victims being blamed. I mean the public in general. It still happens too often, for instance, when that judge recently said that a 13 year old victim was 'predatory'. Unless a campaign talks about the perpetrators as much as it does the victims, then they are focusing solely on the behaviour of the victim and that is grossly unfair. I guess at this stage, there is nothing I can do but agree to disagree and thank you for a polite and interesting conversation.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 3, 2014 at 15:40:21 in UK

“People's perception of a thing doesn't change what the thing is for or necessarily what it achieves.
And it's probably most useful not to run away with ourselves: this is this one issue, it isn't the other wrong issues - lumping them together makes us compare oranges and apples.

That said, if you truly *are* being flip (and even that masking some frustration and downright anger), so what? I certainly wouldn't blame you for it, Huffchum! It's not only okay that you're angry, it's *sane* that you're angry about it! Women shouldn't have to deal with this kind of faecal matter. Nobody should.
And while I have already agreed that we *shouldn't* have to put women under more responsibility, we *must* if it's the only thing we can actually do to make them safer. Because doing anything else...? That, too, would be focusing on the wrong aspect because it's more comfortable than admitting the unfortunate truth.
So while I understand, utterly forgive (if there's anything *to* forgive) and respect your doing so - I gotta go the other way, because it has the most chance of making people safer in an unfortunately unsafe, unfair world.”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 3, 2014 at 19:05:29

“If you keep telling men that a drunk women alone on the street is 'asking for it' by making herself a target, aren't you kind of giving him a green light to act on the urge to attack her? Won't he be saying to himself that someone else will attack her even if he doesn't? Won't he be saying to himself that she kind of deserves what he is about to do? We keep brainwashing boys into thinking that we expect them to lose control of themselves as adults in certain circumstances. Are we REALLY saying to women and girls 'don't drink because it might make you a victim' but not saying to boys/men not to rape? Where are the national campaigns for that - campaigns that come from authoritative voices such as the NHS, not groups the public can dismiss as being feminist. I've just seen stats that suggest that one half of the men who commit assaults have been drinking themselves. Where's the poster campaign saying 'don't drink in case it turns you into a rapist'? Also, I don't think I am running away with myself nor comparing apples with oranges. I've read/researched a lot of stuff about the issues of child abuse and domestic violence and the men who commit those acts do it for the same reasons as the men who rape. If you google Lundy Bancroft and read some of his research, it might explain better than I can.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 3, 2014 at 06:35:47 in UK

“I'm not sure if it really *does* come from a sense of male entitlement and a distrust or hatred of women. But even if it does, what could the NHS do to combat that? What could any poster do to eradicate that?
I see what you're saying about their self-preservation instincts not to poop where they eat - but that's one of the reasons why the "drink cautiously" campaign can help where a poster aimed at the criminal *can't*. The predator likes weak, likes vulnerable, because they're lazy and don't want the risk of a powerful, prepared victim: drinking makes a woman more of a target. Not drinking makes her *less* of a target.

That doesn't mean to say that I don't also wish we could take this necessary fight directly to the criminal and eradicate this crime - we all do. But there is no poster that can combat that, no effective campaign that can fix the sense of entitlement and/or a resentment of women, and/or powerlessness, and/or any other factor inside the broken mind of a damaged male... It's too late, they're not listening to reason, only their selfish wants. I wish that weren't the case, because going after the source is always preferable to arming the victim: but in absence of reaching the source, I want the victim armed to the teeth with wisdom and strength - because it's the only way to lessen the number of victims... at the moment.”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 3, 2014 at 09:20:57

“I hope you realise though, the majority of the public are not making the effort to look at the wider issues and considering the no win situation women are in, the way you are. What the general public are seeing is one more piece of information from an official source that confirms what they already believed - that bad things wouldn't happen to women if they didn't drink. Once you add that to the belief that bad things wouldn't happen if they didn't dress provocatively, and bad things wouldn't happen if they didn't have the audacity to expect to walk the streets safely, what exactly is it the public think women CAN do without 'bringing' this upon themselves? Should we all stay at home? Oh, wait...it happens there too. I'm being flip but you see my point. Maybe in a world where people already look for excuses to victim blame rather than focus on the actual problem - that too many men think they have a right to do this - we shouldn't be putting more responsibility on women for this, especially when the truth is that there is not much you can do to protect yourself if someone is determined to victimise you. We live in a world where children are warned against strangers when it's more likely to be a family member that will do them harm. As a society, we're good at focusing on the wrong aspect because it's more comfortable than admitting the truth.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 3, 2014 at 06:26:55 in UK

“No worries about the double post, Huffchum, and yes indeed, gave me a chance to go "And another thing..." again! :-S I can only sympathise!

I think the third/two-third stat is misleading you somewhat. There are two-thirds of rape that -as you rightly say, Ms_Chopsy - *could not* have been prevented (A), and one-third of rape that *might* have been preventable without alcohol (B). But those three thirds as a whole are not compared to the much, much larger amount that weren't victims of unpreventable crime *or* preventable crime (Category C). The pie chart of that puts the rape (thankfully) in the much, much smaller percentage, and *that's* the category you want to aim for. And while nothing can move you from A to C, the poster is right that you *might* be able to move from B to C, and that's the NHS doing all it *can* do in the absence of a way of eradicating A, *and* B, and leaving ONLY C.

Rape is far too prevalent, but then even one case is one too many. To keep balance, we must acknowledge that this is not natural male behaviour, nor is it *normal* male behaviour. The majority of men are *not* {insert-worst-word-here}'s.
The rapist is not controllable by posters or words or logic - they are hidden and inaccessible. We can only, therefore, empower women to make the best choices for themselves - not to avoid category A, we can't do that. But to avoid category B.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 2, 2014 at 20:45:33 in UK

“You're right that it's frustrating that you/women/we can't trust all men, and that even those who have earned our trust could still turn out to betray that. I'm sorry that we live in that world, and I wish I had a way of putting the responsibility of this onto the criminal and have that mean something to them so that they wouldn't give in to their sick and baser grasp for power and domination. But I don't. And neither does anyone else (yet, at least.)

And this has been around a long while - and I believe that partially the rise in rates means less a rise in rape, more a rise in reports... And if I'm right, that could actually be a small, positive step.
But as this awful male practice pre-dates modern society, it's perhaps not just a change in society that could change the rates of rape. Advertising/p0rn/education/parenting... I personally don't see these actually being the cause. Economics, perhaps, has more of an effect - seeing as rape is usually about powerlessness, not sex.

So, if we want any chance of minimising risk - we can't go after the unknown predator, we can only go after the known factor.
And if you don't believe me: what poster would *you* have put out, and how effective do you think it would be *on the burgeoning criminal*? Do you think they're in control of themselves when they act? (And isn't that why women being in control is better?!)”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 2, 2014 at 22:53:09

“As you said, it's about power and control, not just sex. And it comes from the same place as many other negative male behaviours come from - a sense of male entitlement and a distrust or hatred of women. There are too many men who still believe that they have a right to do whatever they like to women and they often hate women who they want but can't have.The stats for women who will be raped or sexually assaulted during their lifetime are high, as are the stats for women who are victims of domestic violence. That's no coincidence. And yes, they absolutely have control when they act, otherwise they'd be beating/raping their own mothers, grandmothers, daughters, teachers, female police officers, women at work, etc. Men only abuse women they give themselves permission to abuse and they usually only do it when they think they can get away with it...that proves premeditation and an awareness that what they are doing is wrong, no matter how much they protest that the woman 'made' them do it. We need some campaigns that deal with the negativity many men feel towards women, and some women feel towards their own gender, and maybe then society will focus on stopping men becoming rapists rather than stopping women becoming victims. Where are the NHS posters stating, that if the stats are right, most of us already know our potential rapist? Seems to me they are pretty selective with the 'facts' they choose to focus on.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 2, 2014 at 20:28:31 in UK

“Firstly, I'd like to say how sorry I am to hear that such a horrible thing happened to your friend - I can only hope that this {insert-worst-word-here} was caught, and taught lengthily and fiercely how to respect a woman.

Quote: "By focusing on prevention..."
This is the point, i feel: What else *can* they do? They can't fix, can't *find* the criminal ahead of the act, so all they *can* do to prevent more rapes is empower the potential victim, show the best, safest paths through the wild wood - however constrictive against personal freedoms they may be. And it's advice, not *actual* constriction of women - it's saying *if* you don't want to be burgled, it's worth noting that locking your door is an option. Yeah, it makes it pretty harshly, but the NHS wants people to take it serious, and incentivise such a burglary not happening to the women.

But if you see this as me denigrating the severity of rape - I, like you, consider rape (and paedophilia) to be the worst, most severe crime: just look at the scale of the after effects for the victim and their loved ones - murder *pales* in comparison.
And that's *why* I'm so defensive of campaigns like this. I also want less rape, and I can't get that just by saying "you can leave your doors unlocked and we'll be able to protect you as well". We won't. It's *easier* for the monster that way. Drinking doesn't *help*.”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 2, 2014 at 23:00:54

“Sorry about the double post but at least it gave you a chance to expand on your answer :)

My point is, locking the door doesn't stop you being burgled. In fact, if the stats in the poster are right, locking your door in this example makes you more likely to be burgled. If a burglar is determined to get in, he will get in. There's nothing you can really do about it. That sounds like I am suggesting that women don't do anything to protect themselves. I am not. Please see my other answer for more detail.

As for the guy who attacked my friend, he was never caught. We got the taxi from a rank and there were no other cars around. We've come to the conclusion that he wasn't a local driver. None of us have ever seen him since and we couldn't identify him from a book of local taxi driver badges that the police showed us. The torment continues for my friend because, even though she rarely thinks of the attack, she often finds herself out in public wondering if she is inadvertently standing next to the man who attacked her.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 2, 2014 at 03:09:02 in UK

“There are better options, Ms_C... And as we *cannot* eradicate the predators from existence, we're going to have to take some responsibility for ourselves to make better outcomes. Still don't believe me? How about this:

Option 1: I know burglars exist and prey upon weakness. I don't want burglars to steal my stuff. The burglar is wholly at fault. I do not lock my door: it's an unnecessary hassle that would be making me change my chosen lifestyle, my personal freedoms, and it's unfair to put the onus of safety on me, instead of the predator. I also know that most burglaries happen because someone *broke in*, so I'm less likely to be burgled with an unlocked door.
Outcome: I make myself an easier target for theft, and although it's wholly the burglar's fault, I could've been safer today.

Option 2: I know burglars exist and prey upon weakness. I don't want burglars to steal my stuff. The burglar is wholly at fault, but I take ownership of the realities of life, however unfortunate. I LOCK my door, because that makes it harder for the burglar, and means they can *only* steal my stuff by breaking in. I *have* placed the onus of safety upon me, not because I have done anything wrong, but because others exist who *will*.
Outcome: I could still be burgled, but I've done all I can do. Any burglar is wholly to blame, but I have made a better choice for my life.

Just me?”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 2, 2014 at 10:41:18

“No, not just you. Where we disagree is when you compare other crimes to this one. This is unique in the fact that, no matter how you dress, where you are or what you do, the 'burglars' know that what they are after is easily accessible. They also come 'armed' with aggression, greater strength and a desire to make you their victim. As most women are 'burgled' by someone they know, there isn't much they could have done to prevent it happening, is there...especially if they had no idea that their friend/colleague/parent/family member intended to 'burgle' them. By focusing on prevention, as this NHS poster does, we ignore the more important issues, and the sad truth is, a woman's safety too often depends solely on the moral character of the men she finds herself coming into contact with. For example, some girl gets a taxi home after a night out, only to find out the taxi driver is a predator. This happened to my friend. There was a group of three of us, I got out first, another friend was dropped up the hill and the last girl in the car was supposed to be dropped ten doors further along the same road but the driver decided to lock her in and take her off to assault her. We had been drinking but we did all the right things, stayed together and got a taxi, yet still one of us got attacked. Drinking isn't the problem.”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 2, 2014 at 09:40:10

“No, not just you. Where we disagree is when you compare other crimes to this one. This is unique in the fact that, no matter how you dress, where you are or what you do, the 'burglars' know that what they are after is easily accessible. They also come 'armed' with aggression, greater strength and a desire to make you their victim. As most women are 'burgled' by someone they know, there isn't much they could have done to prevent it happening, is there...especially if they had no idea that their friend/colleague/parent/family member intended to 'burgle' them. By focusing on prevention, as this NHS poster does, we ignore the more important issues, and the sad truth is, a woman's safety too often depends solely on the moral character of the men she finds herself coming into contact with. For example, we advise our daughters to get a taxi home thinking it will keep them safe, right? There was a group of three of us who got a taxi many years ago. I got out first, another friend was dropped up the hill and the last girl in the car was supposed to be dropped ten doors further along the same road but the driver decided to lock her in and take her off to assault her. We had been drinking but we did all the right things, stayed together and got a taxi, yet still one of us got attacked. Drinking isn't the problem.”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 17:10:31 in UK

“The Lion's a predator, not an accident - but I take your point, Ms_C.

But to counter your point:
Monsters exist. They shouldn't, I wish they didn't, but they do.
People *should* be able to walk unmolested through the wild wild wood; wherever, whenever, however they choose. But monsters exist, and they take advantage of those who - by choice or by accident - stray from the path.
Now - I can't do anything about the two-thirds who stray by accident, but I *can* do something about the third who make a *choice* that could put them at greater risk than if they *didn't* make that choice. And it is their right to that choice, I fully recognise: if they want to ignore my advice and walk the wild wild wood alone at night, unarmed with even their best decisions, okay. I wish they could prove me wrong, but I suspect that the monsters will be rubbing their grubby paws together at the prospect. And a person becomes a victim *that could have been safe*.
Until I can eradicate the monsters, i'll do the only thing I *can* do, warn them of the perils of forsaking unto the opportunistic monsters the improved results of their best choices and empowering responsibilities for the lesser gain of reckless freedom.
It's not blame, it's recognising better options; taking all the possible control of the outcome they'd prefer.

And if they wrongly say I'm blaming *them*, that's their choice, too.”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 1, 2014 at 18:12:09

“I get what you are saying but there aren't really any 'better' options, are there. Two thirds of victims haven't had a drink. Doesn't that kind of prove that, no matter what you do, your only real hope of staying safe is if the men you encounter are not potential rapists. Isn't there also a risk, by focusing on this one aspect, that you might give other women and girls a false sense of security because they haven't been drinking? Don't forget, these posters are aimed at young women who, apparently, don't have enough common sense to take care of themselves. Are you any safer walking down a dark alley sober than you would be drunk? Isn't the critical difference whether there is a monster lurking in the alleyway or not, not the condition of the potential victim?”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 20:05:18 in UK

“No, good Huffchum - nobody's saying that the rapist isn't the problem.
They're saying the problem exists, even though we don't want it to - and that as the problem exists, we should take responsibility for avoiding anything that the problem can take advantage of.
I wish that leaving my door open wouldn't lead to someone stealing my stuff... And if someone steals my stuff, *they're* the jerk. But if I left my door open, it made it easier and more likely for someone to steal my stuff. *They're* the jerk, but this could have been prevented, and I could have had my stuff safe.

And although I can't tell whether you're right or wrong about what the main cause of the problem is, I can tell you that - unless you have a magic wand, or a workable solution to stop rapists from being born/created - we're going to have to tell children that monsters exist, and that even though any act of a monster isn't the child's fault, it's in the child's best interests not to, say, go into the wild, wild wood all alone, wearing a day-glo "eat me" hat, with only a marshmallow for protection. And we should tell our children not to do that anymore. It's reckless.

Bad things happen to good people sometimes, and being morally or technically right doesn't absolve responsibility. This really isn't a campaign blaming the victim. It's advising all it can to *prevent* a person from *becoming* a victim.”

Sir Bamba Gascoigne on Jul 31, 2014 at 21:54:02

“Dear Lykos ,

I think I agree with the greater part of your comment. Before our eyes we are seeing this terrible thing spread to a younger age group of school children in a way that was never about such violence before . I do have to wonder if smartphones and the enormous amount of availability and exposure to po rn is just messing up their minds. Rowan Williams wrote a wonderful piece on society's increasing se x ualisation of children and it remains a terrifying phenomenon.

As far as the born / created thing goes my own friend ran a women's refuge and I can assure you rather more men are capable of controlling / brut alising behaviour that results in this and in many cases on multiple occasions over years.

Outside of relationships ( current or former ) which apparently make up a little over 50% of reported cases, it is about men and women they don't know. So women are as much in danger from partners as they are from strangers.

The drink issue is a valuable preventive approach useful for women . But as I have said it is men that are the problem and they aren't all typical psyco's.....”
'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

'There Will Be No Apology' Over NHS Rape Posters - Despite 43,000-Strong Petition

Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 19:52:40 in UK

“Yeah. And while we're at it, we should stop those campaigns that say that cyclists should wear reflective gear. Blaming the victim. We should stop posters saying don't try this at home. Blaming the victim. We should stop recognising that even though it's not our fault when bad things happen, it's less likely to happen if *we* take responsibility for *what we want to happen* by doing what we can to *prevent what we don't*. Blaming the victim.
Instead, we should pretend that alcohol doesn't affect judgment and that predators don't take advantage of that. The well-meaning complainers against this campaign should also ignore the "don't climb into the Lion's cage with a pork chop around your neck" advice... It's a well-known fact that Lions don't eat those who are technically and morally blameless - bad things only happen to bad people, right?”

Ms Chopsy on Aug 1, 2014 at 11:50:31

“Great theory, except for the fact that all of your other scenarios involve accidents, rather than predators who are looking for a victim. Two thirds of victims haven't been drinking, if you take these stats at face value, so if you want to be literal about it, you could say that having a drink makes you less likely to be raped. This ad was pointless and did nothing but put responsibility on the victim for what happened to them.”
Richard Dawkins Rape Tweets: Atheist Admits Mistake: 'I Should Have Used Quotation Marks'

Richard Dawkins Rape Tweets: Atheist Admits Mistake: 'I Should Have Used Quotation Marks'

Commented Jul 30, 2014 at 13:38:16 in UK

“I also just realised I should have been calling Professor Dawkins by that honorary rather than Mr - I wasn't trying to be snide, honest.”
Richard Dawkins Rape Tweets: Atheist Admits Mistake: 'I Should Have Used Quotation Marks'

Richard Dawkins Rape Tweets: Atheist Admits Mistake: 'I Should Have Used Quotation Marks'

Commented Jul 30, 2014 at 13:35:30 in UK

“I disagree - to Victim of X and Victim of Y, Mr Dawkins *has* made a distinction, reducing one victim to having experienced a greater and one a lesser crime, and that *is* devaluing one of the crimes from equal-to to now lesser-than.

It may be an unintentional one, but it's a slap in the face to those who experienced the "milder" crime, saying - or at the very least implying - that the other victim deserves more attention and a different expectation of crime-control.

Objectively, Mr Dawkins may be coldly correct - the factual events lead to one rape having different circumstances than another - but to claim surprise that Mr Dawkins' comment has aroused (and was always going to/perhaps was *meant* to arouse) hostility from the offended victims and the defiant protection from those who empathise with the victim not society, is demonstration of Mr Dawkins also needing a little crash course in how to think a little more clearly before tweeting, perhaps.

And perhaps Mr Dawkins can tell others how to think more coldly logical, but he certainly needs a lot of help learning how to feel, be sensitive to others, how to empathise and understand what effect his callous disregard of the obvious truth that there *are* emotions out there, and that logic isn't the only aspect of life that needs respect - and also that sometimes the medium matters as much as the message.”
New Hobbit Trailer 'The Battle of the Five Armies' Is A Glorous-Looking But Rather Sombre Affair

New Hobbit Trailer 'The Battle of the Five Armies' Is A Glorous-Looking But Rather Sombre Affair

Commented Jul 29, 2014 at 22:57:43 in UK Entertainment

“I was going to say the exact same thing! I personally can't *wait* for the extended edition of Desolation of Smaug, and Peter Jackson's (and the epic team's) sensitive handling of the work as a whole has earned from me total faith that the extended version of Battle of Five Armies will be equally worth the wait, and the cinema version the perfect length to whet my appetite in the meantime!
Just me?”
Congratulations On The Recovery, Here Are 11 Problems Osborne Would Prefer You Ignored

Congratulations On The Recovery, Here Are 11 Problems Osborne Would Prefer You Ignored

Commented Jul 25, 2014 at 18:33:28 in UK Politics

“pedantic means "excessively concerned with minor rules or details"
avoiding the subject means "ooh look, over there, a squirrel!"”
Congratulations On The Recovery, Here Are 11 Problems Osborne Would Prefer You Ignored

Congratulations On The Recovery, Here Are 11 Problems Osborne Would Prefer You Ignored

Commented Jul 25, 2014 at 16:45:15 in UK Politics

“"The economy" never means us, does it?
"The economy" means big business who - having been complicit in "losing" the money in the first place, and who have not been asked to share the burden of righting their wrong - bloody well *ought* to be doing well by now! It'd be WEIRD if, having poured all the money that should have protected the vulnerable and serviced our society into their pockets, they *weren't* doing f ! & # ing splendidly!!
Just me?”

adamb2 on Jul 25, 2014 at 18:17:39

“economy means "consists of the production, distribution or trade, and consumption of limited goods and services by different agents in a given geographical location"”
Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Commented Jul 24, 2014 at 13:57:23 in UK Politics

“Quote from Wiki history page: "In the 2009 European Elections, Sinclaire was elected as a UKIP Member of the European Parliament for the West Midlands region, while holding the second place on the UKIP list"
and
"In January 2010, Sinclaire resigned from the Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) grouping in the European Parliament, to which UKIP belongs...
...Sinclaire was subsequently expelled from UKIP"

So, 2009 til January 2010.

Quote from article: "In a separate statement, Simon Orme, a specialist lawyer with the CPS Special Crime Division, said: "It is alleged that, between October 2009 and July 2010, whilst serving as an MEP, Ms Sinclaire used funds paid into her bank account by the European Parliament in respect of false travelling expenses claims."

October 2009 and July 2010.

Yep. UKIP MEP while the alleged offences took place.

I checked. You didn't.”
Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Commented Jul 23, 2014 at 17:09:08 in UK Politics

“The answer to all three of your incorrect posts is that - as she was a UKIP MEP at the time of the alleged offences, it is correct that Huff attributes Ms Sinclaire *at the time of committing the offences* was a UKIP MEP. You can try to tie yourself into pretzel-shaped knots to pretend that she wasn't a UKIP MEP at the time they started, but everyone looking in can *see* you doing that, AH.
As to "leave her alone", I wasn't attacking her, or UKIP, only defending Huff from the incorrect posts of others (because I too had thought Huff was trying to use UKIP as a cheap way of sensationalising this, but as it turns out...), as Huff was right in this instance.”
Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Commented Jul 23, 2014 at 16:35:11 in UK Politics

“Not relevant, as the charges are from when she was in UKIP.”

Parsons Knowz on Jul 24, 2014 at 07:02:40

“David........
Not so - check the dates..”

abandon hope on Jul 23, 2014 at 16:46:22

“Not quite,she was expelled in January 2010,these charges go past this date.”
Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Commented Jul 23, 2014 at 16:34:48 in UK Politics

“Offences were alleged to have taken place in 2009/10. When she was in UKIP.”

abandon hope on Jul 23, 2014 at 16:49:13

“Oct 2009-July 2010,expelled in January 2010,a UKIP member for three months relating to this alleged offence.I see that the UKIP witchunt's bandwagon is rolling again,no political news to speak of,so it's hunt UKIP time,silly,silly nonsense.”
Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Ex-Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire Charged With Money Laundering

Commented Jul 23, 2014 at 16:33:43 in UK Politics

“I thought the same as you at first glance, but then looked up her timeline and you do need to look a little more closely, good buddy: Ms Sinclaire was MEP *representing UKIP* at the time the offences are alleged to have been committed.
It's important to note that she's only been charged with an offense, though.”

abandon hope on Jul 23, 2014 at 16:45:30

“These alleged offences occurred between Oct 2009 and July 2010,she resigned/was expelled from UKIP in January 2010,so can hardly be connected with UKIP.She has led a chequered political career and could not be said to represent any party of note,a sad case,leave her alone.”
David Cameron Promoted Women In Reshuffle 'For Show', Most Voters Believe

David Cameron Promoted Women In Reshuffle 'For Show', Most Voters Believe

Commented Jul 21, 2014 at 16:25:08 in UK Politics

“I've seen a lot of well-meaning people saying what we need in abstract, but then they wait for someone else to do it for them, and they end up with nothing that they want. I think that I'm a little more of a realist - we must be the change we want to see in the world, and I know my limitations with how much I *can* change the world, so I stick to what I know I can achieve: I will use the only public voices I have, my opinions and my vote. My opinions will not be heard far and wide, nor widely accepted I'm sure; and my vote will not topple ineptitude or make corruption tremble - and the best I can do is support a party that has the least amount of sacrifice to what I don't want, whilst offering the most I do want. And although I have little faith in the leadership, or the individual MPs - I do know that the institution will have enough inherent identity to prevent all the representation and support to only go to the rich. I'm not going to wait for the perfect MPs, I'm going to vote for the best imperfect ones; I don't have to worry that they're never going to come.
Just me?”

slporchester on Jul 23, 2014 at 00:43:36

“Understand.

However, all it takes for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.

The people you vote for at present, in the main, belong to thye club that benefits from all this wrongdoing, incompetence and lack of leadership. By continuing to vote for them, we perpetuate their behaviour and values; we condone it, we become complicit in it.

This scenario that I paint is becoming common across our public services, indewed within the private sector, too - we all know about the greed and appalling behaviour of banks for example, who have already been fined some £20bn for their misdeeds, but without personal accountability (except in a few cases)

However, I do not sit idly by, and work actively to change the system, by posts such as these, but also as an advocate of alternative methods. Maybe futile in your eyes, but I stand for the change you appear to effectively reject by your passive approach.

Chnage begins from within, and starts with you and me. The challenge is whether to accept or reject.”
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