“My preoccupation with being masculine is I am 6'4" and 240. If I do not shave for two days I have a full beard. I retired and am now a stay at home dad. I make dinner 5 nights a week, and they all include meat. Would I go to a vegan place? Absolutely NO! Not because I might be perceived as gay, but because I prefer meat.”
“If you're serious about 'maintaining parity' with those who'd seek to enslave you, you'll have to possess much more than guns! If your government was going to enslave you (something which certain elements of the right wing in America seem to be paranoid about), the military power at their disposal would make your guns look like toys.
I live in the UK where we have amongst the strictest gun control legislation in the world. Why is no one here concerned about being enslaved? Perhaps Mr Moore is right in pointing to the fear and paranoia of many Americans.”
Jul 14, 2012 at 09:02:06
“If you felt "depleted" on a vegetarian/vegan diet, it's probably because you weren't eating a good vegetarian/vegan diet. There are elite level athletes who perform at the very highest levels and win competitions as vegetarians/vegans, so it is unlikely that the average person would feel "depleted" on a good vegetarian/vegan diet.”
“Evolution has also provided you with higher-order cognitive faculties and the ability for moral thought. While evolution has given you the ability to digest the flesh of animals should you need to do so, it does not require you to do so. There is no instinctive compulsion to do so and it is not required for good health. Indeed, vegetarianism is associated with a level of health equal to or better than an omnivorous diet.”
TomP100 on Oct 25, 2011 at 11:54:48
“"There is no instinctive compulsion to do so and it is not required for good health."
Really? Then why do many people salivate at the sight, smell, or even thought of meat? Your post actually had merit up until this ludicrous statement.”
“Refraining from eating animal flesh isn't "unnatural". There is no evolutionary or biological requirement for the human being to kill other animals for food. An entirely vegetarian diet has not been shown to be associated with negative health consequences and has in fact been associated with health benefits. To characterise such a diet as being "unnatural" is odd. If your concern is optimum health, I'd suggest that you read the "Food, Nutrition, Physical Activity, and the Prevention of Cancer" report by the World Cancer Research Fund and American Institute for Cancer Research (http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/4841/1/4841.pdf), which states that there is convincing evidence for red meat increasing the risk of colorectal cancer. From an optimum health perspective, it seems sensible to address that increased risk by removing red meat from your diet.
The argument about fruits and vegetables being "alive" is absurd. I recently wrote a blog article refuting what I considered to be the main arguments against vegetarianism, and this one was among the farcical ones which were dismissed in the introduction along with "Hitler was a vegetarian!". It does, however, deal with the "we are meant to eat meat" type argument and so might be of interest: http://mb27.blogspot.com/2011/09/reflecting-upon-arguments-against.html The ethically motivated vegetarian is concerned with conscious life that is able to experience pain - there are just no good reasons to ascribe these qualities to plants, which are devoid of a central nervous system.”
“I wonder why "God" also put much larger canines in the mouths of gorillas, which are herbivorous animals. That is, their natural diet consists principally of vegetation and they don't go round tearing into the flesh of other animals with those teeth. "God" really does "work in mysterious ways"!”
“It's not really that difficult at all. I used to eat a lot of meat, and I stopped entirely overnight - no withdrawal symptoms, no cravings, no problems whatsoever. Eating the flesh of animals isn't a biological requirement and it is not an addiction, and so it is something that can stopped immediately. If I can do it, anyone can!
What you need to do depends on your diet now. If your diet consists almost entirely of meats and carbohydrate sources such as breads, rice, and pasta, then you'll need to bring a variety of vegetables, beans, and nuts into your diet. Make it interesting... don't just eat handfuls of these things on their own, learn to mix them into tasty and interesting meals, e.g. a mixed vegetable curry or stir fry with chick peas and cashew nuts.”
“I don't think you should feel the need to shy away from talking about your reasons for being vegetarian on the grounds that others might be 'offended'. If someone is genuinely interested in your reasons then it is only right to tell them, and if someone is taunting you (as some meat eaters like to do) then they're asking for a firm response.
The reason that they'd be offended is that you'd be telling them things that might make them feel bad about themselves. It's obviously not nice to make people feel that way, but I don't think anyone would ever go vegetarian unless they actually knew about the reality of where their meat products come from. When I saw videos of factory farming and the slaughter of animals I had a deep sense that it just wasn't fair or right, and it made me feel awful and guilty - but that is what caused me to become vegetarian.
“I was offended due to your mentioning of sourses of meat I might eat.
Don't ever try to pop up that aspect of this issue in such an unprepared way.
Don't ever do it again. You just can't do that to me since you might not know even a fraction of a second's thinking about where or how the meat would have come from will most certainly discourage me so much that I can barely stand for it.”
“This is a good article with many good points. The question of whether parents would rather show their children animal slaughter or picking of fruits and vegetables is a good one. A child would be deeply disturbed by seeing what happens in a slaughter house, despite killing and eating animals being something we are supposedly evolutionarily ordained to do!
Meat eaters use a range of arguments to avoid the moral implications of eating meat. These include arguments from nature/evolution (e.g. "we're meant to eat meat" or "we're at the top of the food chain"), denying the sentience of animals, or arguments to exempt them personally from guilt. I recently wrote a blog article responding to such arguments, which would perhaps be of interest to the author and readers of the present article: http://mb27.blogspot.com/2011/09/reflecting-upon-arguments-against.html”