“D Q, Go to Genesis 2:1-3,,, And find where a Jew, Greek, or Christian, was mentioned. During "Creation Week" The 7th-Day was Blessed, and set aside. Now take time to travel to Mark 2:27, and ask yourself, who was the Sabbath made for? When you see the light, walk in it. Deny the light, and continue to walk in darkness.”
“Are you even aware of the beginning of the Adventist movement before EGW ever came on the scene? But understanding your view on John the Baptist, of whom Christ Himself stated: > 7.And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? 8.But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. 9.But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10.For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11.Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Understanding your view on him, I see as trying to get a 1/4 mile of expression out of a dead horse. In other words, you would miss the insight on all levels. But you are entitled to your own opinion. Be Blessed my Brother.”
Michael Hallmark on Oct 22, 2012 at 13:10:57
“Yes, I'm very aware of the history having been brought up in the church and having a long pedigree in the institution, attending Adventist schools up through University, and even teaching Sabbath School. My great grandfather was a publisher of Adventist books in Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century. So yes, I know all about William Miller and the Great Disappointment of 1844, Joseph Bates, and James and Ellen White. And no one who knows anything at all about the that denomination would dispute that its central spiritual leader during its formative years was Ellen White.
But I honestly have no idea what your point is on this thread given its topic. Mine was to express the view that it is strange that an institution that owes its growth to the inspirational leadership of a woman, her writings, her emphasis on themes like education and healthcare, and her leadership on missionary outreach, never came around to allowing full ordination of women.
Now I'll ask you a question. Since you've put so much credibility on the Book of Matthew when discussing John the Baptist, do you actually know anything about the origin of that book or the New Testament in general? Do you who know wrote the Book of Matthew and the other Gospels? (here's a clue...not anyone who would have been around to here Jesus say the words you attribute to him).”
“Tamazul; You are quite mistaken w/your statement about Christ abolishing the Sabbath. Case in point; A resurrected Savior appointed Paul to be an Apostle. On what day did Paul worship YHWH(GOD)? > "And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both the Jews and Greeks" (Jews & Gentiles, kept the Sabbath of the Lord). For further insight, and conviction, look up the following text, Acts 13:14, 42. Thus we see the converted Paul keeping the weekly 7th-Day Sabbath well after the resurrection of our Lord, and Savior.”
D Q on Oct 23, 2012 at 07:25:04
“Paul was Jewish. So was Jesus. There were no Christians back then”
Meem Cx on Oct 21, 2012 at 14:36:47
“Above statement text was Acts 18:4, about Paul becoming an Apostle.”
“Let's be very careful, as to what we say would not have come to pass if there was no E.G.W. We serve YHWH(GOD), who never runs out of vessels in which to spread His messages. If there were no E.G.W. and no other human to proclaim His biddings, the very rocks would cry out.
William E. Foy (1818-1893)
Foy was a seminary-trained Millerite preacher who received two visions in 1842, which he lectured on extensively and published in a 24-page tract in 1845. A teenage Ellen Gould Harmon (White) went to hear Foy relate his visions several times in her hometown of Portland, Maine, later stating that "it was remarkable testimonies he bore." After the Great Disappointment Foy spent four decades in active ministry.”
Michael Hallmark on Oct 21, 2012 at 14:58:11
“EGW's other focus was education, and that resulted in Adventists creating the second largest Christian school system in world, second only to Catholics. Adventists have an African American woman who serves as President of Pacific Union College, so back to my original point - for an institution that owes its success largely to the work of its founding female prophet (whether she stole her prophecies from William Foy, or simply made them up). it's odd they have such a backward view of women in the ministry today.”
Michael Hallmark on Oct 21, 2012 at 14:51:32
“You totally missed my point.
First of all I don't believe anyone, either Foy or EGW had visions that were not a product of their own imaginations. Just as I don't believe Joseph Smith or John the Baptist were moved by the holy spirit rather than a combination of much more earth-based factors not the least of which was the mood of the times.
The early 19th Century was the time of the "Great Awakening" and it was a hot bed of "prophecyin' ". Nearly all of the home-grown protestant churches that were invented in America came about during this period - between 1830 and 1870.
Part of this "Great Awakening" was based on the temperance movement - no drinking alcohol, no smoking, and of course the other part of the victorian - modesty. No skin left uncovered. What Ellen White did with that context was singularly unique among these American cults - she focused on education and health. That was my point.
Today, there are over 40 Adventists Hospitals making it the largest not-for-profit protestant healthcare organization in the country. Other contemporary American-founded religions didn't go in that direction. Mormons don't have that. JW's don't have that. Christian Scientists don't have that. Adventists have it for one reason only, and that is because of the extensive focus EGW placed on health”