“Sorry Scott I should have been more specific. Google up gun control England and watch a slippery slope happen as you read about gun legislation in that country.”
Magnadude on Jun 4, 2014 at 22:52:01
“It's a far more complicated issue than it first appears to be. I've noticed that facts, figures, and statistics can be interpreted in entirely different ways depending on which side of the issue one is on.
Thank you for the clarification. I will look into it. Also, thank you for the civility. I sincerely appreciate that.”
“Perhaps you should study what happened in England over the last three hundred years. That might give you a little bit better understanding of why those of us who are gun enthusiasts are concerned.”
Magnadude on Jun 3, 2014 at 22:20:42
“That England's homicide rate has fallen dramatically and is decreasing even as I type this? I read The Daily Mail nightly and they recently reported that crime rates are declining at a rapid pace. Yes, I know that stabbings and beatings still occur. I'm not sure that anyone will be able to argue that either are as effective as a firearm, though, especially when multiple victims are targeted.”
“Scott the conversation is always just about banning weapons, that is really the endgame of the left even they will not outwardly admit it. Whey is the conversation not about the underlying problems contributing to gun violence. I challenge you to link to me a story about a person with a CCW that had a gun accidentally discharge and injure someone, good luck!”
Magnadude on Jun 3, 2014 at 19:24:22
“The hysteria about banning all weapons is just that, hysteria. It will never happen and is just used by gun zealots as an excuse to cry "Slippery slope!" every time common-sense measures are proposed. Perhaps if gun zealots were actually willing to get behind some of those measures that might prevent future tragedies, none of which would curtail the rights of legal and responsible gun owners in any way what-so-ever, they wouldn't come across as living in eternal fear that imaginary boogeymen (which they apparently have named "the left") are lurking behind every corner conspiring to take their arsenals away.”
“With the number of people in this country that have their CCW one would think that there would be accidental shootings all of the time in "shops and restaurants"? There are of course almost zero of these dreaded accidents so why are we even having this conversation?”
Iluvowls on Jun 2, 2014 at 22:01:59
“Just because you don't hear of an accidental shooting doesn't mean that they don't happen”
tiredofthesameoldstuff on Jun 2, 2014 at 21:28:46
“Actually accidental shootings are quite common in shops and restaurants. Most of the incidents just never get press coverage like most gang shootings don't.”
Magnadude on Jun 2, 2014 at 21:25:12
“"Almost zero" must be very comforting to the victims.”
“I suspect she will change her mind based on the negative comments.”
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“This is very different than what Chipotle did; they said no guns open or concealed I believe. It is not unreasonable to ask people to only carry concealed. I never open carry; I think you get a tactical advantage with the weapon concealed anyway.”
PVGuy on May 31, 2014 at 02:44:13
“And the one thing we all need in a restaurant is the "tactical advantage"”
Wrightie on May 30, 2014 at 20:30:07
“I feel the same. I have mixed feelings about open carry. Discretion is NOT open carrying in McDonalds unless it's on your hip. But assault type weapons is just asking for trouble IMO.”
bpulliam on May 30, 2014 at 18:35:56
“With due respect, I have some serious questions for people who conceal carry while expecting the need for a tactical advantage. Can't you be tactical out on the shooting range>”
Jerseytime on May 30, 2014 at 17:17:11
“The fact that you spend time thinking about "tactical advantage" in regards to carrying a weapon shows that you have some sort of fetish for being a "crimestopper". Why didn't you become a cop?”
FrAAR on May 30, 2014 at 16:42:15
“Glad to know that your weapon is concealed. Let me know where you live so I can avoid you.”
svnjewels on May 30, 2014 at 16:27:06
“And you only carry concealed if you have a permit”
Drama Llama on May 30, 2014 at 16:26:16
“EXACTLY.. Guy walks into a restaurant to rob it.. He looks around.. Hmm that guy with the gun out.. Better shoot him first.
Unless you are in Alaska or area where there is a genuine threat of wildlife that can eat you. Open carry is just ridiculous.”
“I am very familiar with the Manchin/Toomey bill. That bill looked as if it were put together by a group of fourth graders. They make it far too complex; a straight forward bill that specifically addresses keeping guns away from the mentally ill is what we need. That bill would have made it illegal for my friend to hand me his gun while at the range to shoot; it would have been an illegal transfer. It would have made it illegal if I travelled for several weeks and left my locked and secured weapon at my apartment, any roommate would be breaking the law as an illegal “transfer” would have taking place according to the law. The bill was filled with all kinds of nonsense.”
Sly HerreraJr on May 30, 2014 at 19:15:49
“You obviously do not understand what the definition of the word "transfer" means in that bill. It's not simply the casual handing of the firearm to someone; it is transferring "ownership!”
“How are you going to get around the "beloved" HIPPA law? I agree we need to keep guns away from people like the kid in California. The very laws that have been pushed forward by the left are the laws preventing us from keeping guns away from the mentally ill.”
Sly HerreraJr on May 30, 2014 at 09:34:45
“While a work around the HIPPA law should be a concern there are exceptions which can always be written into laws.
Have you read the proposed bill which was voted down last year?
“Sly of all of the recent "mass shootings" you do realize a background check would have accomplished nothing.”
pbr56 on May 30, 2014 at 10:35:26
“you do realize that the mass shootings were only a small part of the problem. Thousands of people get killed every year in this country that could have been prevented with a background check.”
Sly HerreraJr on May 30, 2014 at 09:14:11
“"...would have accomplished nothing."
That's like neglecting to perform a heart surgery on a cancer patient because he was going to die anyway.”
Sly HerreraJr on May 30, 2014 at 09:10:37
“That is 20-20 hindsight. Whether subsequent mass shootings would have occurred or not is debatable.We don't really know. Laws tend to have not only a physical impact but a psychological, cumulative and educational side to it.
You see the proposed law would have prevented this latest shooting in California. The parents warned police about their son's behavior and mental issues. If the law had been passed the police would have been able to enter his name into NCIS and he would have been unable to purchase the firearms. His attempts would have been flagged and the police notified and would have likely interceded and prevented this tragedy.
You see similar arguments were made about the Civil Rights Act, ACA, Medicare, Social Security and other transformative laws.”
“Why not? When the interview is over the only news will be that they were very gracious hosts and the interview went very well. Regardless of what really happened in the interview it will be dramatically spinned on sights just like this one.”
smallstones on May 30, 2014 at 09:17:04
“Gracious host? Faux news is only gracious to the guest that agree with their point of views. That will not include Hillary Clinton. She will be there to school them.”
HITO on May 29, 2014 at 22:45:17
“lol - "gracious hosts" Would you use that term to describe the Spanish Inquisition ?”
“"allows for donations of unhealthy food" Really? Are you serious? I witness multiple times a week people purchasing energy drinks and junk food on food stamps, then they pay cash for cigarettes, beer and lottery tickets. It really ticks me off.”
“That would be my comprimise. I do not see any problem with person carrying that has a legal concealed carry on a domestic flight or train but that would never fly no pun intended.”
steveruger on May 29, 2014 at 09:56:32
“I can se your point. But I do feel reticent about having loaded firearms in the "hands" of anyone but law enforcement inside a commercial flight cabin. Even if the bearer is not nefarious too many things can "go wrong". But your opinion regarding that item is not what I would consider extreme, I just am not as confident that this would be a safe practice.”
“Sylvia you do realize that political power, executive and legislative branches of government have been evenly divided over the last thirty years don't you? To blame one party seems more like just an emotional comment rather than an educated conclusion.”
pye1000 on May 29, 2014 at 09:29:19
“good point............but history aside and focusing on the present she has a very good point...............”
NoiseOfKnowing on May 29, 2014 at 07:19:57
“I'll admit that Democrats have cave-in to Republicans far too much.”