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Science and Spirit Converge in the Now (Video)

Science and Spirit Converge in the Now (Video)

Commented May 30, 2011 at 22:04:06 in Healthy Living

“Duane, thank you for your thoughtful and clear "tour" of the vertical and horizontal lines of the universal arising. I wonder, are you indicating that the listed traditions are differing expressions of the same Mystery, or are you suggesting a synthesis that leads to a uniquely modern insight that suggests a universal philosophy that offers a more sane basis for life, both private and social, than the corrosive outdated competitive consumerism and adventurism that governs modern life today? What would you say that basis for life is, and how would we begin to live it? Love your work!”

hp blogger Duane Elgin on May 31, 2011 at 00:41:13

“Thanks for the penetrating questions Nathan. I would suggest both are paradoxically true: All of the world's wisdom traditions point to the co-arising of the universe, or the insight that the universe is being regenerated in its totality at every moment. However, the shared nature of this foundational insight is often overlooked and unrecognized, so the opportunity for a uniquely modern synthesis is a real possibility. If the human community can recognize this as a shared understanding that already exists (although variously described), a universal approach to life can emerge; namely, we are all engaged in the common task of learning to live in a living universe. How this insight provides the basis for a healthier and happier approach to life is described in an earlier blog; see: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/duane-elgin/living-universe_b_862220.html
Evolution and Culture

Evolution and Culture

Commented Mar 11, 2013 at 20:17:25 in Healthy Living

“Beautiful replay, thank you Gerard.”
Evolution and Culture

Evolution and Culture

Commented Mar 8, 2013 at 14:28:38 in Healthy Living

“Gerard --
Fantastic blog, so clear and important. Indicating values as evolving is a powerful escape from the absolute vs. relativistic morals duality trap. It's such a valuable distinction.

I've also been deeply considering this question of values, culture and morality as I write a book on evolutionary leadership. I've got an hypothesis that there are universal values, or values applied universally, that have a kind of absoluteness or maybe better to say, transcendence, to them. The universality prevents them becoming divisive -- love, contribution, participation, truth, beauty, generosity, art, music, peace -- these are a few universal values. In order to have a reasonably harmonious world, the lesser values of tribe, nation, wealth, winning, and so on must be subordinated to the greater values. And then all of that evolves.

Does this idea of universal and lesser values fit into your thinking on the cultural evolution of values? I'm curious as to your response.

Thanks again for such a well-written, valuable blog article.

--Nathan Otto”

hp blogger Gerard Senehi on Mar 11, 2013 at 15:45:21

“This is a question that I've thought about leading to writing this blog. It's complex, and i'm not sure how fully i can answer it.
I recognize that there is something inherently good in evolution (despite all the horror) and therefore the different values you describe, truth, beauty, goodness, etc., can have traction in culture and evolve, in relationship to something fundamentally positive - which would have to be transcendent. Otherwise what we consider to be positive values would not have traction.

with this inherent "impulse" as fundamental driver, then as human beings have created culture, they have developed concepts like "good". for instance what was considered good in an ancient tribe may have been supplying food and protecting the tribe, while what we consider good when science emerged took on an expanded meaning. And as social justice emerged our concept of good expanded further.

My sense is that there is a mysterious balance between a fundamental and inherent drive towards goodness while at the same time human beings are involved in a creative act of defining values that are not predetermined. A paradox...something inherent...yet not predetermined, i suppose this is the nature of evolution.”
Science and Spirit Converge in the Now (Video)

Science and Spirit Converge in the Now (Video)

Commented May 30, 2011 at 22:04:06 in Healthy Living

“Duane, thank you for your thoughtful and clear "tour" of the vertical and horizontal lines of the universal arising. I wonder, are you indicating that the listed traditions are differing expressions of the same Mystery, or are you suggesting a synthesis that leads to a uniquely modern insight that suggests a universal philosophy that offers a more sane basis for life, both private and social, than the corrosive outdated competitive consumerism and adventurism that governs modern life today? What would you say that basis for life is, and how would we begin to live it? Love your work!”

hp blogger Duane Elgin on May 31, 2011 at 00:41:13

“Thanks for the penetrating questions Nathan. I would suggest both are paradoxically true: All of the world's wisdom traditions point to the co-arising of the universe, or the insight that the universe is being regenerated in its totality at every moment. However, the shared nature of this foundational insight is often overlooked and unrecognized, so the opportunity for a uniquely modern synthesis is a real possibility. If the human community can recognize this as a shared understanding that already exists (although variously described), a universal approach to life can emerge; namely, we are all engaged in the common task of learning to live in a living universe. How this insight provides the basis for a healthier and happier approach to life is described in an earlier blog; see: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/duane-elgin/living-universe_b_862220.html