“I think you're completely detached from reality. It's pretty disgusting that your mind works this way.”
Godbob on Jul 13, 2012 at 16:37:25
“HP please let me respond, I've tried multiple times and you keep blocking it. Free speech. I'm not being offensive... Let it post.
Sailor, it is an analogy. Victims aren't always victims. Rape is horrible and shoud be punished, but this isn't rape. It is a heckler getting what they deserved. I understand wanting to defend a woman when the topic is rape, but the topic here int rape, it is heckling. You wouldn't defend someone heckling a priest during mass or an actor on stage, why defend her? She was the aggressor.”
Godbob on Jul 13, 2012 at 16:18:35
“Its an analogy. A peron claiming to be the victim isn't always the case. Rape is horrible and perpetrators should be punished to the fullest extent, however you wouldn't defend someone who would heckle a priest during mass or an Ctor on stae would you? Why defend ths woman?”
Godbob on Jul 13, 2012 at 15:54:53
“Also I was using an analogy to show how a 'victim' isn't always the victim and sometimes they are the perpetrator. It applies very well in this case as rape is such a horrible thing, and sometimes mentally deranged women use the claim only to get attention... They ruin lives and are horrible people when they do since it minimizes real victims.”
Godbob on Jul 13, 2012 at 15:35:08
“You want to take her side because rape is a terrible thing and real victims deserve sympathy. I get that and I agree. That doesn't apply here because she is not the victim, she is the perpetrator. She instigated an attack on a performer while they were doing their show, interupting the performance for the rest of the audience. You wouldn't take the side of someone heckling a priest during a mass, or a actor during a play would you? You wouldn't claim those people as victims if they got thrown out. Why defend this wretch for doing te same?”
“I know what I'm saying. This whole business closely mirrors the real life he said/she said and victim blaming in rape. Instead of realize why what Tosh said was problematic, people are dismissing the heckler saying things like "if she didn't want to be offended, she shouldn't of gone to his show".”
“The thing is: out of all the ways he could have responded, his response was laughing about how funny it would have been if she got raped. Shutting down hecklers is the right thing to do, but not in the way he did it.”
“I know you don't mean it but your comment sounds like victim blaming. It sounds exactly like when people say things like "if she didn't want to be raped, she shouldn't have dressed that way". This is what i find problematic about this situation. Instead of looking at what he said everyone is blaming the girl.”
maxtaney on Jul 13, 2012 at 16:56:34
“except she actively provoked by interrupting. I do not think it is fair to say that a woman should reasonably expect to be raped because she dresses a certain way. I think it is fair to say that a person who heckles should reasonably expect a harsh response from the person whom they heckle. It's not blaming the victim, it is acknowledging a reasonable dynamic. she was offended, not victimized, and you can't ignore that she initiated the confrontation.”
luckylily88 on Jul 13, 2012 at 12:55:38
“Making the comparison between some chick complaining that she got offended at a Tosh show for heckling him and victim blaming of rape victims both elevates this girl into a martyr for the oversensitive chick brigade and denigrates ACTUAL victims who have been blamed for their own attacks. Take a look at what you're saying here.”
Godbob on Jul 13, 2012 at 09:22:40
“I do blame her completely and she is not a victim. If you want to use a rape analogy she is a woman who instigates and initiates sex and afterward cries rape. She is a terrible person and deserves every insult that she got... regardless of topic.”
xg4bx on Jul 13, 2012 at 02:20:34
“SHE interrupted the show that people paid good money to see. SHE decided to cause a spectacle because SHE was offended instead of quietly leaving. SHE tried turning the show into "me me me" and got a well deserved smackdown. If shes a victim of anything its her desire for attention.”
“I know they do but the majority of people apparently think they don't. Many men don't even come forward with what happens to them because they fear being ridiculed and, sadly, they most likely will be ridiculed.
My comment was more the mindset that these people have. They feel it won't happen to them and that it could never happen to them so they laugh about it, trivialize it, and get offended when people point out they're wrong.”
“I don't understand why people are more focused on the "heckling". Tosh told a room full of people that it would be funny if this woman - a human being - got raped on the spot but apparently she's evil and in the wrong because she pointed out that rape is not funny. People are so worried about being overly PC and "freedom of speech" that they don't care anymore about being decent human beings.
And this is just as important as those politician because it perpetuates rape culture and it trivializes what victims of sexual assault go through. You being a woman who agrees with these out of touch, over-privileged, cis-men doesn't make what he said okay.”
“I don't really like hecklers much either. If I were a comedian I wouldn't know how to deal with them properly. I don't want to give him to much for what he said during this incident because it's tough when you're put on the spot. I still don't like him though.
Sometimes hecklers are justified. I remember when Tracy Morgan made that "joke" about what he'd do to his son if he were gay. The only way I would have reacted if I was an audience member was to curse him out and leave. They're just comedians. You can disagree with them if they're wrong.”
Midnight Son on Jul 11, 2012 at 15:19:23
“Sadly, the only real way to deal with a heckler (if security doesn't) is to shut them down. If you don't, it only emboldens them and they will continue to heckle, which can often have the unwanted consequence of getting the more timid or aspiring hecklers to join in. It's a disrespectful act.
I really don't think it is right to start cursing out or heckling a performer in the midst of their act. It's just as easy to leave and write a review later. If enough others do the same (which has happened), the venue takes a big hit in their drink sales and won't have the person return. ”
“I actually have a dark sense of humor so I can handle offensive jokes. But like I said before: Tosh isn't funny. Sorry for generalizing about his fans. I may have gone to far there. Still he doesn't exactly appeal to the brightest group out there (from what I've seen).”
“I love how people are defending him by saying he's a comedian and that's his brand of "humor". Don't lie: he is not funny; he's never been funny. He appeals to frat boys, and immature man-children. I don't really find many rape jokes funny but if someone who was actually funny made one I might laugh. What Tosh does is make stupid race jokes or rape jokes and expects you to laugh just because he "went there". He's shocking for the sake of being shocking. Not for comedy. There is no entertainment value.”
DingoBuzzy on Jul 11, 2012 at 14:52:57
“I love that you consider yourself the sole arbiter of what is and is not funny. I totally understand where you're coming from, because I'm the sole arbiter of which shows indicate a humorless bore... #1 is My Little Pony.”
AMaSa on Jul 11, 2012 at 14:19:57
“Acually, I'm a very well educated woman and I find him hilarious- your assessment is based on your own opinion and I'm fine with that- I don't like Justin Bieber, but I wouldn't begrudge those that do.
I think what is being missed is this woman *chose* to go to a show of someone known for certain conduct in his show. I'm guessing, as she was able to leave halfway through- she wasn't taken there under duress. Political correctness has gone too far in this case. She put herself in the position to be offended when she A. attended the show and B. Heckled him.
To be honest- I'm more offended by the things that occur in the political realm by our lawmakers who put forth bills that take away care for people who have been raped or assaulted....”
Midnight Son on Jul 11, 2012 at 13:57:49
“I generally don't care if I find a comedian funny or not when it comes to responding to a heckler. Almost 100% of the time, nobody in the audience finds a heckler funny. It puts an added stress on the performer too because, if they don't find a way to make some humor out of the heckler, it completely derails the show to where nobody is laughing and ends up looking worse for the comedian. Heckling is a disrespectful act, so respectful responses shouldn't be expected. In this case, Tosh kept his response, whatever it may have actually been, in the context of the theme that he was being heckled over.
Yes, I'll defend him for doing that. Hecklers are selfish talentless cretins who feel their desire for attention trumps everyone else in an audience. They are always a drag.”
ILB on Jul 11, 2012 at 13:57:46
“He's not funny to...YOU.
He is funny to OTHER people.
Get it now?
" I don't really find many rape jokes funny but if someone who was actually funny made one I might laugh."
So if you say it's ok to laugh....can the rest of us laugh as well?”
Zack Peck on Jul 11, 2012 at 13:55:37
“I hate you.”
Reasonable Conservative on Jul 11, 2012 at 13:55:09
“"Shocking for the sake of being shocking" That sounds like the MO of most successful comedians. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but the guy is on tv and touring because he is popular for exactly that reason.”
meemu on Jul 11, 2012 at 13:54:04
“I don't think he's funny either.”
Pantsy on Jul 11, 2012 at 13:51:52
“are you basing this on his show or his stand-up?”
Kevin Mills on Jul 11, 2012 at 13:51:19
“I don't consider my self immature, or distasteful, and I know that Tosh's humor is, but I always laugh out loud when I watch the show. If you are too worried about what you are hearing to laugh, then you simply won't have a good time in life, and you are going to step on people's toes anyway, so why bother?”
“History has been white-washed so that we remember the most pleasant things (or at least whatever benefits us). Chris Rock has a great point but at the same time I don't think anyone alive today is to blame. What your saying is that people won't feel any guilt because they've gained everything on the backs of others but that isn't completely true. My family, for example, has had to work hard just to live day by day. The reason I feel that no one should feel guilt is because it wasn't us alive in the 1700s making these decisions. I'm disgusted and horrified that slavery even existed and that slaves weren't even considered human back then. However it's not something that should rest on anyone's conscious.”
Frederick Flintstone on Jul 8, 2012 at 11:30:42
“I say these 3 words extremely sarcastically: OF COURSE NOT.
I ask this question very seriously: (Requires you to use your imagination) If you woke up tomorrow and looked into the mirror and found that you'd magically changed into a African American do you think you would feel the same? (Do you think you would enjoy your life just as much as you are enjoying it right now?) You don't have to literally answer me, this is food for thought.”
“I'm not saying people should play victim. What I mean is knowing your history is always a great thing. I don't feel anyone should play victim or feel any guilt about slavery: that was then, this is now.”
“I think Chris Rock has a point but he worded it horribly. By saying "happy white people's independence day" he's implying only white people should be celebrating July 4th. He should have just reminded people that the slaves weren't freed along with the colonies. People saying get over it are wrong. We should all remember the past, however no one should feel any guilt about what happened back then.”
beckym1488 on Jul 6, 2012 at 13:39:47
“What about what the Irish went through when they got to America and how poor the Italians were and how far they have all come. No one cares about that. White women didn't get the right to vote until after Black men. Maybe I'll act like a victim when I go vote. Yeah right, I'd rather appreciate what I have now instead of going into the past to see where I can claim victim.”
jk2001 on Jul 6, 2012 at 13:36:32
“It wouldn't have been as funny.”
Frederick Flintstone on Jul 6, 2012 at 13:30:11
“Black people understand where Chris Rock is coming from.
No one will ever feel guilt about what happened back then BECAUSE they have gained everything on the backs of others and their offspring generation after generation is benefitting from it so why would they EVER even consider feeling guilty.”
“Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Instead of speaking with ignorance educate yourself a bit. You hate gays because you know nothing about them (which is evident in your diaper comment). You fear what you don't understand.
And if gays choose to be gay when did you choose to be straight?”
Apr 28, 2012 at 12:52:17
“Wait they're saying she's a B.. because she wouldn't look at them? Are they serious? To me it sounds like they're the ones with the over inflated ego and I'm not even a fan of Christina Aguilera. It sounds like they're overreacting. Xtina is a B because *gasp* she wouldn't look at them! And JLo is the Messiah because she kissed up to them. I guess everyone who isn't fawning over them is a bad person. Go figure.”