“If people are overly sensative about a football club that at the end of the day would not care any less about them (goes for Celtic as well) then priorities need to be re-examined. As for Nixon...legend has it that there was a painting in Stormont showing Pope Innocent (?) blessing William of Orange before he set off for Britain....allegedly Nixon was so incensed that the Pope and William were in the same picture, he and a group of other Unionists stormed the chamber, slashed the painting and doused it with paint. The painint was removed for restoration, but never seen again....supposedly worth a bloody fortune.”
“Yes, but as you may not know, there is no more old firm...Rangers are gone, and the club that replaced them still have some time to go before they are a "top club" in Scotland. Second this display didn't have anything to do with Rangers or Religion. Finally regarding Williamites...look up John Nixon MP...funny story”
yanic on Dec 3, 2013 at 18:53:09
“Wee dig at newco some a bit sensitive about that, I work with quite a few and enjoy winding them up. I would agree with you on these particular displays, which as I have said I believe you should be perfectly entitled to make, however the whole old firm or old/newco thing if you prefer is rank rotten with religious bigotry. On when Rangers will be No2 club in Scotland unfortunately I suspect as soon as they come up, Scottish football has become too imbalanced for its own good. Can you please provide link to John Nixon googled him, I could not find anything funny just a not very nice man, to say the least.”
“Well I like to think, at least they didn't go the Willie Frazer route and order a curry 20 minutes into his hunger strike”
jenia100 on Dec 3, 2013 at 06:05:37
“Story doing the rounds at the time was after so many members of the public getting murdered the pira had to change tack, as well as support from noraid dropping off,so they had a group of players on hunger strike,sands being the furthest along on the piras weight watchers club was told to carry on ,while the others went back on solids.”
“Maybe you can point out where in the banner anything about Catholics or Protestants....I mean there wasn't even any such thing as Protestantism during the days of Wallace...had they held up picture of the Pope and Paisley, then sure I'd be with you.....but this was a political protest.”
yanic on Dec 3, 2013 at 09:19:58
“As you well know the whole sad Old Firm thing comes down to Catholic and Protestant even though most involved know little of either and are exploited by both.
On Wallace you are right well before reformation. I have actually stated in other posts my support for the right to protest, including this one, as a matter of free expression.
If we are being historically accurate it may be good to burst a few bubbles by pointing out that William of Orange's invasion of England and pillage of Ireland was funded by the Vatican with the full knowledge of the Pope.”
“"Ireland has produced many finer leaders than Sands"
I agree but it's a fairly subjective thing isn't it?
"what do you mean by historical baggage?"
Well besides Cromwell, The Plantations, Penal laws, the Protestant Ascendancy, The famines (the 17th and 19th century varieties) The Home Rule Fiasco, Partition, Collusion with Loyalists....oh yeah Catholics were basically excluded from society.”
yanic on Dec 3, 2013 at 09:13:05
“Yea ok subjective but that is the point of debate.
Do realise Cromwell raised Inverness to the ground, as part of a slash and burn raid across Scotland? For penal laws we had our music and language banned and our national dress proscribed, we have also suffered the Protestant Ascendancy in a different way, but I cannot help but feel that a Catholic ascendency would have been no better, I prefer a secular society.. We had the Clearances when Ireland had the famines, we have had our own home rule fiascos promised at the same time as Ireland and victim of a rigged referendum in the 70s. Butcher Cumberland's genocidal slaughter of Highlanders, the abandonment of the 51st Highland Brigade. it goes on Scots and Irish history has much in common.”
“"...we've been being ruled from London since 1707"
Maybe, but at the same time Scots have been at the center of British political, military and cultural life of the empire and for the most part, Scots presbyterians were used to break the Irish.
"the protest has everything to do with Irish nationalism"
The protest has to do with free speech, the hyprocricy of the SNP and the virtual criminalization of any outward show of Irish culture or did I miss any Brits out banners, of which there were none.
"Thirdly, These fans seem to be claiming that they are being picked on somehow, this is also not true"
Even the Green Brigade has never said that...in fact, over the summer they held rallies that were attended by supporters of ther clubs including Rangers.”
leaian on Dec 2, 2013 at 16:20:44
“Have you never heard of the Highland clearances? As part of the UK we in Scotland are part of what you consider to be an occupier, your strugle however is with the UK government, that being the case I for one do not like having my civil liberties infringed upon because a certain section of immigrant's and their offspring want to make political points at football matches! Even Celtic took umbrage at being deceived by the so called "green brigade", the use of the banner was highly insensitive and inappropriate, why are these people using banners of dead terrorists in my country to advertise a cause in another country? If the peole of Northern Ireland want to leave the union let them use the democratic process like we are doing in Scotland, we are having a referendum with not a single shot being fired, I for one will be voting for Independence,If the decision goes the other way i will live by it, it is called democracy!”
“So what your saying is that you find this specific banner offensive because months ago someone (Celtic didn't play on remembrance sunday this year by the way) may have sung through the remembrance ceremonies?”
“I don't support the IRA, I do support Irish Unity, but more than that I support free speech. I support decisions not to wear a poppy as personally I will never wear one, nor will I support the British war machine, but I have no problem with someone else wearing them so long as they stay off my back over my decision...and no offense mate, but based on your prior posts over the years about Catholics and Irish, you are possibly the last person here who can call anyone a bigot.”
Catriona on Nov 30, 2013 at 11:30:47
“"... I do support Irish Unity...."
A serious question, Seanie. Why would you wish on the Republic all those nasty, hate-filled NI Prods?
We have all seen their hatred, and are aware how deep that hatred goes. That kind of hatred and contempt deforms the psyche of the people who have been contaminated. They'll not be good neighbours or loyal citizens, and will only cause problems to Irish society.
What am I missing?
Of course, the final decision must be left to the citizens of NI, and the Republic of Ireland. I'm just asking.”
fred cavanagh on Nov 29, 2013 at 19:43:17
“We are taking about a football game,where the same small bunch bring shame on a great club.
The war is over,get over it and move on.
When the Northern Irish public vote to reunite fair enough,but dont bring shame on Scotland which has welcomed the Irish over the years with open arms.
With alot of my family still in the South of Ireland,and from a clan of over 40,000 you know jack.hit.”