“The big surprise is that anyone's surprised that all this went on.
The generation of MP's we're discussing will mostly have been sent to boys only boarding schools.
And we wonder why they're all emotionally crippled?”
probableclean77 on Jul 14, 2014 at 17:49:18
“Sam. Yr right, sadly I fear. I keep getting the words to "Turn it up" by Simply Red in head.. "Whilst ruling the nation their unfaithful husbands, who spank little boys gagged and bound!" Seems to neatly encapsulate it for me at least..”
“Gove is an extremist. He should do us all a service and get rid of himself.”
Jan Allen McDaniel on Jun 5, 2014 at 09:43:56
“Yes, he is.
Mr. Gove is extremely protective of the British version of Western culture when it is challenged by Islamist British citizens who are building a colony for Sharia culture--a nation within a nation--as Islamist Muslims have done in India and elsewhere.
Is the creation of an Islamist colony in Britain a good thing, in your opinion?”
“Ask yourself whether you want your daughter to be free to make her own life choices, or whether you'd prefer to impose your choices for her on her.
That's what this is really about - authoritarianism, and the idea that the state can impose morality on the people, much like that Korean guy wants everyone to have the same hair-cut.
You might hate the idea that your daughter would rather be a hooker than a check-out girl at Tescos. But it's up to her, not up to you.”
PadmeAmidala on Apr 23, 2014 at 02:37:40
“I am bringing my daughter up to be confident, critical, have empathy but to value herself. It makes me laugh thinking that I could determine which choices she makes. She made this clear to me when she was two that that was not going to happen. Parenting is about loving someone, and supporting them in a way that they develop the courage to live life to the full and are able to cope with the good and the bad times.
But something would have gone terribly wrong with my parenting if she would have so little self worth that she would feel that becoming a hooker was a valid choice to make. Believe me she is so much better than that, and she knows it.”
“What's really a pity is that the profit from all labour-saving devices goes straight into the pockets of the already rich. As ever, this is the greatest social problem we face - the fathomless greed of the powerful, and their ceaseless pursuit of rationale for why they and they alone "deserve" to reap those profits.”
“It already has. This ain't no Chris-chin country. We're a secular lot and always have been, as much Pagan as Christian in our history, as a cursory examination of our festivals will speedily reveal. Eggs and bunnies and trees with lights on and mid-winter feasts with gifts and treats for the children - all pagan stuff. And still great! The Christians just muscled in on the action, and for all their efforts, made little headway. Christianity might have been the default excuse of Kings and Queens for raising armies, waging wars and other power games, but the peoplehere are primarily rationalist and pragmatic.”
Mad Mick on Apr 22, 2014 at 10:46:20
“Still, it's a pity impending unemployment due to work elimination by advancing technology is a reality of the 21st Century UK & one of the greatest social problems we face.”
“Something can be created from nothing, just as nothing can be created by two somethings of equal and opposite value.
How you god-botherers seem to imagine that not knowing anything is proof you know everything seems to work in much the same way.”
denspark1560 on Apr 22, 2014 at 05:19:52
“If something can be created from nothing then that's surely proof that a God is a possibility. Talking in double dutch doesn't make you sound clever, and proves nothing at all. As you well know. Science has merely taken the place of God to you. We all have to believe in something, but use different names for it.”
“Let's face it, you have zero interest in an explanation of where the first atom came from, because you already have your Gumby "a magic man dun it" mantra.
Which just leaves you with the problem of where the magic man dun come from.”
denspark1560 on Apr 22, 2014 at 02:38:11
“Sam, don't pretend, there is no explanation as to where the first atom came from. Yes, scientists try their best to come up with one and they can baffle we ordinary people with big words but they don't really have a clue anymore than I do. Unless you accept something can be created out of nothing there could be no first atom. That makes the first atom your God.”
“No it isn't. Let's have a referendum and find out - the godbotherers would lose big-time.”
jims75 on Apr 22, 2014 at 12:18:16
“The Queen is the head of state and the Church of England. Until this changes the UK is a Christian country and it has nothing to do about God bothering. You can be what you want in this country and no one is forcing any body to be religious unlike you who is trying to push his teachings on secularism in a comment section!”
“Wrong. What we should do is declare ourselves a secular state, and banish religion forever to the realm of individual conscience. Absolute seperation of church and state as a root principle of how a peaceful society should be run.
A simple, elegant, effective, unyielding principle that should be the bed-rock of any decent society.”
“Luke 12-27 - Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Matthew 6:34 - Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Doesn't sound much like Tory policy does it? Do no work, and don't worry about savings, just get through the day.
Yes, we're a Christian country all right - the Bible's full of handy excuses, and once you've lived a vile life all you have to do is apologise and you'll be fine. Maybe that's what all those weekend revelers are planning on.
What would we be if every person in this land followed the golden rule, a staple of almost every world religion? That's all it takes - for everyone to treat others as they would want to be treated themselves. You don't need any more than that.”
“Good is done by people despite the fact that they're Christians, not because they are. And much evil that is done uses religion in general and Christianity in particular to justify it. In that sense, we are indeed a Christian country.
The Bible's full of excuses for terrible human behaviour.
“"Whether they go to Church or not most decent Brits follow a lifestyle that could be said to be Christian in values"
They all think they're laden with the burden of original sins and that they feel they should spend all their lives apologising to God for it, when God supposedly made them that way?
I rarely meet anyone like that,”
denspark1560 on Apr 21, 2014 at 14:10:52
“There are a few, Sam, but I haven't met many myself. I'm not referring to the followers of the Old Testament which thankfully hasn't influenced us just as much as the new one. Christ's teaching, in my opinion, refuted most of the old Jewish beliefs. Not all religions are as moderate as Christianity. Jesus berated those who wished to stone a woman, yet this is still carried out by other religions. Thank goodness ours are based on Christian values. Whether you believe in Christ or not his story has and still does influence our lives.”
“It's only "59% Christian" because the question on the census was deliberately framed ambiguously. And that question was framed that way at the insistence of the still powerful unelected god-botherers in the house of lords.
In a further survey of those who ticked "Christian" only 32 per cent of the census “Christians” believe in the resurrection of Jesus. Only 35 per cent could pick out the correct answer to “What is the first book of the New Testament?” when given a 4-way choice of Matthew, Genesis, Acts, Psalms. When asked why they had ticked the Christian box, only 28 per cent of those who did so said it was because they believe the teachings of Christianity. The most popular answer to that question was, “I like to think of myself as a good person.”
People tick "Christian" because it's vaguely connected with the idea of being a good person via our linguistic traditions more than anything else.
A census that was actually concerned to discover the truth of people's "faith" would deliver very different answers.”