“Atheist are people to do not believe the claim that a god exists due to a lack of evidence. As to what sort of science non-believers think is correct is varied. One has nothing to do with the other.
However, the general consensus among cosmologist is the the universe began with a singularity which is NOT nothing. That said, virtual particles pop into and out of existence all the time and can actually be measured.
Now the problem for theist is to answer the question what is "nothing"? Because at the big bang there was virtually nothing; no space, no time and most likely not even the physical forces we observe today.”
“I didn't necessarily find any of these people particularly attractive, however most were "averagish" and all were more "attractive" when they used good posture and didn't look like they were trying to pass gas.”
“Seriously? You need to actually learn what technologies have been a direct result of this sort of research! You come across as a very ignorant person when you make these sorts of silly statements.
Of course if you would simple stop using the many benefits gained from this type of research you wouldn't be able to broadcast your ignorance to the entire planet... carry on.”
“No different than any other religion humans have invented.”
barbaraevans1470 on Dec 10, 2013 at 03:33:34
“but humans didnt invent this one
these "people" believe they are from another galaxy.
the building is called fort harrison its on gulf to bay blvd and ft harrison
i use todrive by it on he way to work every day.
to say there a creepy bunch is very mild.
they run around in old air force issue that all insiginia has been striped
very building in clearwater downtown and then some is owned by them.
they dont talk to out siders and most of them are from europe
and not a dark skined person in the whole bunch.
no outsiders are allowed past a certian point in the building”
“Common ancestors. You and your cousins have a common ancestor right? But you didn't descend directly from them. At one time Latin was one of the most used languages in Europe and is the parent language of French, Spanish and Italian... right? But there wasn't ever a Latin speaking mother who gave burt to a spanish speaking child and yet these languages have a common root.”
Wilely Fox on Dec 9, 2013 at 18:06:36
“Why would a Latin speaking mother want to give Burt to Spanish speaking child? What happened to Ernie and Tickle Me Elmo?”
“It isn't as if dark matter hasn't manifested itself to scientist. Science has been able to measure the effects of whatever dark matter is they just can not at this point describe the attributed of what forms this phenomena. So there is no special pleading, there is "dark matter" but as of now no one knows what it is.
Again I don't understand why you think scientist are pleading for any particular case.”
“FYI there is no such term as "random selection" There is "natural selection" and a number of other forcing mechanisms involved... and with the exception of random mutation non of these are "random" in the sense you seem this think. In fact even random mutations are "selected" for or against in a process that is far from random.”
“I'm unsure of whether or not my last post was deleted so I'll try again. Please define exactly what you mean by "Macro" evolution, and please use scientific terms so we can at least start on the same page. Yes I can give you 20 or so documented cases in which new species have been observed in both the laboratory and in the natural world; these events are based on real time observations and not on fossils.
The reason I ask for you specific definition of what "macro" evolution actual is, is because too often people with your point of view dismiss documented speciation events and I want to nail down YOUR definition. Also, how do you differentiate different species of life that utilize asexual reproduction such as single celled life forms? Again tell me what your criteria actually is and I will then provide you a list.”
limstillme on Nov 30, 2013 at 18:15:16
“Never mind, I've just been messing with your head. We both know that there is absolutely no proof that any species evoved into a different species. You're a real BSer and I've just been toying with you. You have no anwer and I was just wanting to see how long it would take you to admit it. ”
“So if I can give you a list of say 20 different observed speciation events along with the relevant studies documenting these events what would you say? I suspect you would simply deny all the evidence and continue on with you delusion.”
limstillme on Nov 29, 2013 at 18:18:10
“"So if I can give you a list of say 20 different observed speciation
events along with the relevant studies documenting these events what
would you say?" I've aready said species adapt to their environment, that's not the issue. The issue is macro-evolution. Can you give 20 documented cases where a species evolved into a totally different species through random selection? ”
“OK. Please explain what the mechanism for gravity is. Please tell us all what the force particle associated with this phenomena is and the particles characteristics. You see every force in the universe has a particle associated with is and each has been shown empirically EXCEPT of gravity. The fact that you don't understand this is evidence of extreme ignorance in matter dealing with scientific inquiry.
You seem to not understand how the scientific method operates nor what constitutes empirical evidence. Observations of specific phenomena are made and then a hypothesis is formulated based on those observations (Observations are the "facts") If the hypothesis is tested repeatedly and found to be accurate then it becomes a theory. A theory is a framework or model that explains an observed phenomena. The scientific theory of evolution is the framework by which the "fact" or direct observations of evolution are explained. This includes DNA, fossils and DIRECT observation of speciation events.”
David777James on Nov 30, 2013 at 12:47:15
“< "OK. Please explain what the mechanism for gravity is - blah blah." >
And what purpose would that serve if I could show you?
The point is:
Gravity exists, every person on earth knows this, and that's the word we use to describe the cause of things possessing weight. No need to go further!
"Evolution" does NOT even EXIST in the macro sense. If it did, we would have found numerous fossils of obvious transitional species by now, and we'd see numerous transitional species living today. That was Darwin's lament! (100 million fossils from 250,000 species found to date).
NOT ONE! What, a fish with nubs that you think are turning into legs? A walking fish? Or little nubs on a whale that "proves" it used to walk on land???
A thousand evos could walk into a room with fossils on a table. Every evo would place them in different order, matching and aging! That's NOT science!
Nobody argues with micro evolution, but that is NOT what evo dorks assert, although they often revert to micro as a fall back, but only as a cover for their "lacka". Any absurd hypothesis' finds "peers" who "agree", and soon the absurd becomes mainstream.
Your speciation is a O also, as it relates to new developments, just as in the case of generations of fruit flies.”
“Evolution is as much a fact as gravity. In fact there is more evidence to support the scientific theory of evolution than gravity.”
David777James on Nov 29, 2013 at 08:00:19
“Evolution is as much a fact as gravity. In fact there is more evidence to support the scientific theory of evolution than gravity.>
Yeah right, and you know what else is fact? Blah, blah, blah.
Your statements mean nothing, as they're based on nothing but words. As usual, you do not make statements based on science, but on opinion. You're probably a computer that's set up to say the same thing repeatedly, since you never offer science, but only assertions.
Here's something that is equal to your statement. Mary's little lamb was and remains a fact, as much as the existence of all lambs alive. In fact there is more evidence to support Mary's lamb fact than all other lambs alive.”
“Where in the initial posts was there a statement about drawing up plans? And how do you know that lower life forms can not "think" what do you mean by that?
As for squirrels forgetting were they placed something... so what? You are aware that humans do this all the time don't you? Or are you one of those people who thinks everyone remembers everything all the time.”
“Nothing more that a species adapting to their environment? WFT? You realize that there is a hierarchy at work here don't you? Family then Genus then Species. So there have been new species formed, new geneses formed AND new family groups.”
limstillme on Nov 29, 2013 at 07:30:32
“"....there have been new species formed..." That does not happen, never has, never will.”
“All of those events you mentioned were NOT done because of atheism. They were done for political reasons and for power. Learn the difference.”
Simon Fraser on Nov 28, 2013 at 15:21:42
“And yet they transpired despite the fact that all of the leaders were atheists. The fact that they did not profess belief in a mythical being did nothing to prevent them from committing atrocities. And as for none of them being committed because of atheism, I beg to differ. The De-christianisation in France was a campaign by atheists against the church, in which thousands died. And as for Albania, Enver Hoxha wished to specifically create an atheist state, which involved the specific targeting of religious people to build this vision. No matter how much you wish it so, secular morals do not make us better. In our supposedly modern times, such atrocities continue to happen. With or without religious inference.”
“One day this will all be over. One day the vast majority of the citizens of this planet will realize the we only go around once and the end is really the end. Maybe then we can actually start treating each other with respect and dignity. One day when the majority of humans realize there is not god or afterlife we can start taking care of our planet and each other.
Secular morality and ethics are superior to any religious construct every conceived because as atheist our moral and ethical values are grounded in reality.”
HGfromOmaha on Nov 28, 2013 at 10:46:46
“I would love to agree with everything that you wrote but I can't. People won't realize anything because they'll be dead. The dead know nothing.
I completely agree with your 2nd paragraph.”
Simon Fraser on Nov 28, 2013 at 04:32:53
“Even as an agnostic myself, to claim that secular morality is superior is simply wrong. It did not stop the 10s of thousands of deaths during the reign of terror during French Revolution, the holocaust, the purges of millions by Mao and Stalin, atrocities in Cambodia, North Korea, and Albania. Even with our supposedly superior morality, we still commit acts of utter barbarity.”