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'Duck Dynasty' Star Phil Robertson Says GOP Needs Religion

'Duck Dynasty' Star Phil Robertson Says GOP Needs Religion

Commented May 30, 2014 at 22:52:28 in Politics

“I don't understand all these right-wing Christians who start screaming about not having separation of church and state. It's something that protects them just as well as everyone else. They're the first ones to holler when anything in the state infringes on them.....would they be okay with a Muslim-controlled state? I'll bet they'd be invoking separation of church and state then.”

PrestoChango1 on May 30, 2014 at 23:57:05

“Well, currently the xtians in the USA are the majority and so would like to control the state. come the day (and it is coming) when they are not the majority they'll be thankful for the separation of church and state that will allow them to continue to worship the sky fairy of their choice.”
Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Commented May 23, 2014 at 10:43:18 in Politics

“Yes, Reformers would say the canon is closed. But thanks be to God, the interpretation of it is never over. In the Reformed Church's history, many things were upheld by the church to be "Scripturally correct," including an endorsement of slavery in the 1840s and '50s, the silencing of women in the church, as well as women needing to keep their heads covered. Then, of course, there were the Sabbath laws. But the interpretation of these things is always going to be open to debate...and the Spirit. I truly understand where you and others are coming from, because I was in that camp 5 years ago. It's a long story, but suffice it to say, being hit over the head by the Spirit isn't pleasant. But necessary. Thank you for your debate. As a Bible scholar, I enjoy it.”
Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Commented May 22, 2014 at 23:03:43 in Politics

“I absolutely agree that Christianity and Scripture must be understood as a progressive revelation. But I believe that progression marches on today through keeping in step with the Spirit and the absolute turning-upside-down of Pentecost and all of its implications for inclusion. As a Reformed Christian, my denomination' s credo is "Reformed and always Reforming." I think this is just one issue where the Spirit is blowing the doors off the church and sweeping a wind through it that will go where it wants, not where we want it to go.”

Brandon Cox on May 23, 2014 at 00:49:56

“I think we're inching closer to understanding one another. But to be "Reformed" would necessarily link you with the concept of sola scriptura. Reformers see the Bible as the final authority. While God is sill alive and well and speaks clearly, the very nature of scripture, as Reformers see it, is that it's a closed canon to which no contradicting revelation will ever be added.”
Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Commented May 22, 2014 at 18:31:36 in Politics

“Sorry, I'm not buying it. By not condemning it, the Bible tacitly condones it. David, the "man after God's own heart" had many wives. Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines, and God blasts him not for the number, but because they were foreign. Can we not simply admit that marriage has changed many times in our history? Because it has.”

Brandon Cox on May 22, 2014 at 20:47:17

“I can definitely admit that. It has changed often in the history of our society. While you argue that the Bible tacitly condones it, I would argue two things in return. First, every single story of a plural marriage in the Bible went badly. There is no instance of one going well. I think that's important especially in light of my second point - Christians see in the Bible a "progressive revelation" in which God has made more and more of His will known. In the Old Testament era, there was no specific command against plural marriage, only the precedent set in Genesis 2. By the New Testament era, God had certainly clarified things and had a raised expectation for his people. But all of that is theology. To your point, yes, it has changed often.”
Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Evangelical Leader Not Waving White Flag On Gay Marriage

Commented May 22, 2014 at 14:45:39 in Politics

“The entire idea of marriage being only one man and one woman was radical at one time. In Bible times, it was one man and several (or even hundreds) of women; or the idea of trading your daughter for a couple of goats and a camel; or forcing a woman to marry her rapist; or, in matriarchal societies, one woman and several men. Which "long precedent" do you want to enshrine?”

Brandon Cox on May 22, 2014 at 17:57:57

“Valerie, the one that predates plural marriage. It's found in Genesis 2 and it didn't take long for mankind to muck it up. Thankfully, while the Bible records and reports the stories of plural marriages, it never condones it.”
World Vision Reverses Decision On Gay Christian Hiring Policy

World Vision Reverses Decision On Gay Christian Hiring Policy

Commented Mar 27, 2014 at 09:23:50 in Religion

“Good luck on that one. It's easy to pick on gays--let's face it, most of us aren't gay. But everyone knows someone who's divorced, and not always for biblical reasons. They won't touch that one with a 40-foot pole. And I'm not saying they should.”

iu denden on Mar 27, 2014 at 09:33:02

“You hit the nail on the head. They pick on the gays in order to divert any attention from their miserable truly sinful lives. They commit adultery, go to prostitutes, get divorced, etc. if they were to hold themselves to the same standards they would never talk about gay people.”
World Vision Reverses Decision On Gay Christian Hiring Policy

World Vision Reverses Decision On Gay Christian Hiring Policy

Commented Mar 26, 2014 at 23:13:29 in Religion

“Jesus said that anyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery unless they divorced because their spouse was unfaithful. The overwhelming silence in response to my question answers it.”

TotalTranquility on Mar 27, 2014 at 15:50:53

“Yes, He did. He did not state that divorced in and of itself is any form of adultery. Only if one remarries when their previous marriage did not end due to unchastity. I just wanted more clarification on your comment. I agree that they are all being hypocrites in all of this. They ignore a clear and obvious sin that hundreds of millions of people do, and concentrate their efforts trying to stop something they have never outright proven to be even listed as a sin. It is also none of their business. and has no affect on their lives.”

w range on Mar 26, 2014 at 23:37:11

“True, but two wrongs don't make a right. Just because they are wrong on divorce doesn't mean they should be criticized for this action. Rather, their policy on divorce and remarriage (to my knowledge nonexistent) should be reconsidered.”
World Vision Reverses Decision On Gay Christian Hiring Policy

World Vision Reverses Decision On Gay Christian Hiring Policy

Commented Mar 26, 2014 at 18:25:28 in Religion

“Just curious what WV's policy on divorced employees is. I'm assuming, if they're going to be consistent, that they are also barred from working there unless they can prove adultery?”

TotalTranquility on Mar 26, 2014 at 21:46:17

“What does being divorced have to do with adultery?”
World Vision Announces Gay Christians In Same-Sex Marriages Are Eligible To Work At Christian Charity [UPDATE]

World Vision Announces Gay Christians In Same-Sex Marriages Are Eligible To Work At Christian Charity [UPDATE]

Commented Mar 25, 2014 at 12:13:00 in Religion

“Wow. I'd like to hang around those Christians. I know very few who think the way you describe. It probably goes to the area of the country you live in....”

jonathan 12 on Mar 25, 2014 at 12:18:21

“That very well could be I currently live an hour from NYC in Connecticut. Grew up on the front range of Colorado. Both areas are more open minded.

You also have to remember there are a lot of Christians who do not declare their Christianity publicly to make themselves feel superior. You notice the vocal extremists more. I would say 80% of people who identify as Christian do not even go to church regularly. That is what I meant by "very few" That 80% is probably a product of where I live as you suggested however.”
World Vision Announces Gay Christians In Same-Sex Marriages Are Eligible To Work At Christian Charity [UPDATE]

World Vision Announces Gay Christians In Same-Sex Marriages Are Eligible To Work At Christian Charity [UPDATE]

Commented Mar 24, 2014 at 20:21:41 in Religion

“Thank you, World Vision, for bringing two sides together and saying that we might not all agree, we're all working for the same goal...”

James Clovispoint on Mar 25, 2014 at 02:39:11

“The goal of religion is inherently, segregation, not integration, which ever way you look at it. Not much of a goal!”
Canterbury Cathedral Will Have Girls' Choir Perform For The First Time Ever

Canterbury Cathedral Will Have Girls' Choir Perform For The First Time Ever

Commented Jan 15, 2014 at 17:59:42 in Religion

“The girls should "create their own style"? What do they want--doo-wop music? Good grief.”
'Philomena' Receives Support From Catholic Group New Ways Ministry

'Philomena' Receives Support From Catholic Group New Ways Ministry

Commented Jan 9, 2014 at 12:51:51 in Entertainment

“Another excellent (but very grim) movie about this movement in Ireland during the 1950s and '60s that "warehoused" problem women is The Magdalene Sisters. Horrible, chilling. Oh, what we do in the name of Jesus.”
Justice Scalia Believes In The Devil And Hell.. But How It Affects His Opinions We May Never Know

Justice Scalia Believes In The Devil And Hell.. But How It Affects His Opinions We May Never Know

Commented Oct 8, 2013 at 20:03:30 in Religion

“Hitler. Idi Amin. Osama bin Laden. Saddam Hussein. Jeffrey Dahmer. Charles Manson. Want some more?”

TBJ on Oct 9, 2013 at 10:13:35

“Those are people.

There's always a danger in trying to pretend that the people who committed horrible atrocities weren't actually humans.

It makes us feel better, because of course, WE would never have the capacity to do those things. Only those non-humans would do it. Or, they only did it because an evil magical thing made them do it.

That's irresponsible. Hopefully someday you'll figure out why.”
Justice Scalia Believes In The Devil And Hell.. But How It Affects His Opinions We May Never Know

Justice Scalia Believes In The Devil And Hell.. But How It Affects His Opinions We May Never Know

Commented Oct 8, 2013 at 11:03:26 in Religion

“I've never seen the wind, either, but I know it exists, because I've seen the power it has. Yes, there is a devil. He's crafty and he exists. But thanks be to God, he won't win in the end.”

secondsoprano on Oct 8, 2013 at 17:23:54

“This "I've never seen the wind but I know it exists" thing is the standard Mormon "gotcha". They really think it wins an argument.

The first time I heard it from a door-to-door proselytiser I laughed out loud, it was so dumb. I couldn't stop giggling.”

TBJ on Oct 8, 2013 at 11:56:21

“/)_-

That analogy was so bad it gave me cancer.

We can test for wind. We can observe and replicate and define it.

So, prove the devil exists.

Go on. Do it.”

Klad InVermont on Oct 8, 2013 at 11:38:56

“That's a convenient way of giving a pass to the destructiveness of humans, isn't it. Blame some invisible outside force. I think that's called being delusional.”
Hawaii Mormons On Gay Marriage Push For Religious Exemptions

Hawaii Mormons On Gay Marriage Push For Religious Exemptions

Commented Sep 20, 2013 at 12:32:16 in Religion

“We just had this issue in Iowa; a reception venue would not hold a reception for a same-sex couple. The couple is now suing, and it's pretty clear that the law does not allow a small business that serves the public from doing this (one of the standards is....do they also turn down couples who already have children? have been living together? are pregnant at the ceremony? are marrying outside their faith?) If they will serve other couples who are not meeting their religious requirements, they can't turn down a same-sex couple.”
Pope Francis: Gay Lobby Exists

Pope Francis: Gay Lobby Exists

Commented Aug 29, 2013 at 09:32:12 in Religion

“Thank you for that psychological profile from 1946. "Normal" is not the same as "normative:" 50 years ago, it was not normal for a black person and white person to marry, either. People said if you wanted to do that, you had a mental illness. Now..if we could just establish that the earth is round, too?”
Black Mormons See Lingering Prejudice, 35 Years After Ban On Blacks In Priesthood Was Lifted

Black Mormons See Lingering Prejudice, 35 Years After Ban On Blacks In Priesthood Was Lifted

Commented Jun 12, 2013 at 12:55:31 in Religion

“Several reasons. Asking people to leave a church they love is like asking them to leave their family. Others believe they can do more good by working within the system than outside it. It takes a lot of courage to stay within and do that.”

Cranmer1549 on Jun 12, 2013 at 13:30:37

“Ya, that's really worked for women and married men in the Catholic Church that want to be priests.”

xxixpines on Jun 12, 2013 at 13:02:41

“The only say is by the 15 men in direct communication with mormonjesus.”
Church Sign Welcomes Boy Scouts After Gay Ban Is Lifted

Church Sign Welcomes Boy Scouts After Gay Ban Is Lifted

Commented Jun 12, 2013 at 12:52:55 in Religion

“Many church groups that have boys' clubs similar to Scouts are being contacted by Scout troops who are losing their church sponsorship. I know of at least 8-10 other denominational groups that are being contacted. This has put a lot of THEM on the spot.....many of them have never had to think about an official position on having a gay child or leader in their midst. Most of them had a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy. The trickledown will be interesting.”

mchcallow on Jun 12, 2013 at 13:06:18

“Agreed... Addressing discriminatory policies requires a lot a change.  Unfortunately, it also reveals the underbelly of intolerance in the form of no longer allowing the troops to meet....”
Church Sign Welcomes Boy Scouts After Gay Ban Is Lifted

Church Sign Welcomes Boy Scouts After Gay Ban Is Lifted

Commented Jun 12, 2013 at 12:50:22 in Religion

“It's my understanding that Scout troops need to be sponsored by a church...isn't that true? Or am I wrong?”

BeninOakland on Jun 12, 2013 at 14:10:04

“you're wrong.”

CMB1969 on Jun 12, 2013 at 13:53:43

“No, they can be sponsored by any local, community based organization that is willing to step up. Its just that churches are the most common sponsor, but PTAs, Rotary Clubs, et. al. can do it as well. Actually in my city, for example, the local Catholic churches leave it to the Knights of Columbus council to sponsor a Catholic-affiliated troop--in that case, a holdover from the pre-WWII days when the Irish & German communities clustered in separate parishes & the Knights were the only Catholic entity that bridged both groups..but I digress..
 ”
Pope Francis: Gay Lobby Exists

Pope Francis: Gay Lobby Exists

Commented Jun 12, 2013 at 09:33:56 in Religion

“Oh, honestly. I don't usually respond to blatant ignorance, but this is too much. If "gays should keep their lifestyle to themselves," then so should heterosexuals. No more kissing in the airport. No more engagement pictures in the paper. No more holding hands in the street. No one wants to see that flashy straight lifestyle. I used to hear the same thing about segregation.."Blacks want to be accepted, but sadly, they fail to realize that whites really don't want their lifestyle waved in their faces. Blacks should keep their lifestyle to themselves. Flashing it around only causes people to get confused." Honestly. Get into the 21st century church.”

Valerie Van Kooten on Aug 29, 2013 at 09:32:12

“Thank you for that psychological profile from 1946. "Normal" is not the same as "normative:" 50 years ago, it was not normal for a black person and white person to marry, either. People said if you wanted to do that, you had a mental illness. Now..if we could just establish that the earth is round, too?”

EKaravousa on Aug 28, 2013 at 21:46:23

“To be gay is certainly abnormal and, in fact, a mental illness. We just don't need deviate behavior flashed around. A man and a woman kissing, holding hands, etc., is NORMAL. When a man and another man are amorously kissing in public, that's mental sickness whether you care to admit it or not.”

JohnnyKay on Jun 12, 2013 at 17:41:32

“I think I love you.

Nope.

I do.

Take that to the altar. :)”
Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

Commented Jun 10, 2013 at 08:03:12 in Gay Voices

“I Corinthians 7:32-35. Paul clearly feels being single is best because you can give all of your efforts to serving God; however, he realizes that isn't realistic for everyone.”
Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

Commented Jun 6, 2013 at 22:20:11 in Gay Voices

“If that is the only reason for marriage, then are you saying that those who are barren...those who adopt...those who are too old for children shouldn't enjoy sex? If we really want to adopt what the Bible says, celibacy is the preferred prescription in the New Testament. Everything else is second best.”

Valerie Van Kooten on Jun 10, 2013 at 08:03:12

“I Corinthians 7:32-35. Paul clearly feels being single is best because you can give all of your efforts to serving God; however, he realizes that isn't realistic for everyone.”

self2 on Jun 7, 2013 at 13:44:28

“What verse says that?”
Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

Commented Jun 6, 2013 at 22:17:53 in Gay Voices

“I used to think that, too, but I'm not so sure on the whole David/Jonathan thing. "He loved him with a love surpassing that of women..."?”
Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker After Gay Youth Policy Lifted Nationwide

Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker After Gay Youth Policy Lifted Nationwide

Commented May 29, 2013 at 23:26:14 in Gay Voices

“Oh, the sky is falling! The sky is falling! My guess is that nothing much will change. Boy Scouts who are already gay (and have been hiding it) will be free to express it. And then.....what? Everyone will be corrupted? Get a grip, folks.”
Linda Harvey Backs Companies That Fire Openly Gay Employees To Uphold 'Moral Standards' (AUDIO)

Linda Harvey Backs Companies That Fire Openly Gay Employees To Uphold 'Moral Standards' (AUDIO)

Commented May 25, 2013 at 18:45:44 in Gay Voices

“My guess is, she WOULD advocate firing those in the situations SirRealDeal mentions. In a private school, that's possible. I know several private schools that have fired teachers living together outside of marriage or those who have divorced. I even know one that fired a teacher because her 17-year-old daughter became pregnant.

But I would caution her...God has a sense of humor. And she just might have a child or grandchild or niece or nephew or husband who is gay. And I pity them if she's the one they have to deal with.”
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