“It makes total sense. The vast majority of jobs and production saved is outside of our borders. I didn't count China where the money has afforded GM the opportunity to build and manufacture luxury SUV's in China. Consider the amount of national and tax revenue lost to exports only to afford GM greater profits overseas. How much tax does GM pay on that overseas generated profit? How much inventory does GM pay taxes on this January 1st on vehicles stockpiled in foreign countries? It makes all the sense in the world. Get it? In the world?”
thomasdaddy1 on Dec 10, 2013 at 18:07:33
“In December of 2008 there were over 2 million auto industry workers in the UNITED STATES. If the American Auto Industry no longer existed, these jobs would no longer exist. GET IT? Nothing you are saying has to do with the actual point of the article! The bailout indeed saved millions of U.S. based jobs, and at the end of the day cost a fraction of auto industry bailout in 2008! Bush gave the Auto Industry $25 Billion which GM wrote off, never having to pay back! When Obama took office he gave them $6.7 Billion in cash, and the rest in a 61% equity stake in the company. I’d take a $10.5 billion hit as opposed to a $25 billion hit any day of the week! And, the fed only took a hit on the stock value! No one is talking about the $23.1 Billion made in 2010 through dividends and the sale of preferred stocks. What Obama did is infinitely better than any other form of bailout, but he gets no credit because you want to try and find some irrelevant fault!”
“The White House talking heads are reporting the stimulus to GM saved anywhere from 1.2 to 4 million jobs. Let's say 1.2 even though it is inflated. I am sure Maxico, Canada, Egypt, Austria, Spain and 18 other foreign nations appreciate the jobs our tax dollars saved in those nations. 10 billion could have built 5 times the required assembly facilities in the US that would bring every one of those assembly jobs back to America. Good job GM and partner alliance Obama.”
thomasdaddy1 on Dec 10, 2013 at 11:07:20
“That makes no sense unless you are advocating for the Government to dictate where a private sector company should manufacture its parts. Also, the millions of jobs saved weren't just in the car manufacturing world. Sales and distribution would have also been affected by a collapsing auto industry.”
“The point is a political party is using, if not abusing one category of worker to benefit their political needs. The group they use is the very same group they will never lift up. What happens when people are lifted out of poverty and blight? They pay taxes. What happens when people realize how much they pay in taxes? The Democrats cannot and will not allow the lowest wage earners to advance financially. They will have press conferences to voice their support for 15.00 an hour minimum wage yet will never, ever do anything to support it at the federal level nor become actively involved at their state level. Money gained is votes lost for Democrats.”
poe2299 on Dec 10, 2013 at 10:16:20
“Democratic party has always been a populous party, but as the republican party is the party of individual wealth.
As for "not doing anything about it". On local levels, democrats do things about it, and if you look at many "blue states" you will see a higher minimum wage than red states. On a national level, when they are in full power, they do vote to raise it, as they did in the past.
So again...not quite sure where you are going with thsi line of reasoning. I think you may be a bit confused.”
“Good point. So you endorse union pay and benefits equal to the job performed? How much is pushing a button on an automated assembly line worth? 10.00, 12.00 an hour? It is only a button, nothing more, nothing less. Are the workers being paid 25.00 an hour plus, four weeks vacation, full medical benefits and high five figure pensions really worth it when all they do is, well, press a button to make a robotic arm work?”
“Have had it for ages. Using fast food workers and Wal Mart employees is the Dem agenda. What isn't are the lower enlisted military soldiers who are paid and live at the same wage for twice the work and putting life at risk. The Dems plan to increase welfare benefits to these low wage workers and others is GREATER than our military will see, including some of the officer ranks. Get it yet? If not, it's called keep them down, keep them dependent. Pay them, don't educate them. Give them what they want, without them Dems are a party of the past.”
poe2299 on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:57:41
“I have no problem paying our armed services more than they are currently being paid. Not sure what you're point is other than to lump this libertarian in with liberals?”
“I am sorry, a redirect in defense of the truth? Bye bye. The ACA in nothing close to what was presented to Americans and you were duped. Just admit it. Duped.
If you are buying a house and the inspector says it is a death trap, you wont buy the house.
If you buy a used car and your mechanic says it will die forever in one week you don't buy the car.
When almost every doctor in the nation said the ACA will not work every Dem said they were rotten Conservatives with no values.
You were DUPED.”
JayInDallas on Dec 10, 2013 at 10:23:20
“"When almost every doctor in the nation said the ACA will not work every Dem said they were rotten Conservatives with no values." LIE. Cite your source. I'll wait. For that matter, there isn't a single fact in your post. Ignoring the early attempts by ALEC and the GOP to water-down and make ACA as a bill meaningless, (http://billmoyers.com/2013/08/13/alecs-attempts-to-thwart-obamacare/ there are too many links to examples) doesn't negate the fact. Now after wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on trying and FAILING to repeal ACA, (universal healthcare in any form is better than none) tripe like "well, it wasn't what was initially presented" is what's left for conservatives.
You're ignoring the fact that when initially presented, it included single-payer. It subsequently went through multiple iterations in order to appease the right bringing it to what it is today. At the end of the day, ACA is still the law. You lost. Deal with it.”
“Quote: "You have to pass it to know what's in it". Why? because SHE didn't know. If you watch any Sunday talk shows you would have seen an interview with Pelosi where she admitted she wasn't aware certain language was in the Act. Please, your reply is nothing more than an admission of Democrat stupidity and no argument to support a reply.”
Beatriz09 on Dec 10, 2013 at 11:42:57
“FYI: she WROTE it. Could you please explain HOW to write something without knowing what you're writing ... ?
As to the quote: it contains a crucial error, inserted by the GOTP propaganda machine, of course. In real life, she said: "WE should pass it so that YOU know what's in it". What did she mean? NOTHING controversial, actually. She just repeated a well-known truth: each time Congress passes a big and complicated law, most Americans will NOT read it, so they'll easily believe the most contradictory things about the law, spread by those who, for ideological or merely political reasons, oppose it. In THAT case, people will ONLY know what's in the law and what it means once the law is fully implemented and is having an impact on their own lives. In the meanwhile, it's perfectly clear that she was RIGHT, of course. ”
“LOL If you took a job at a corporate or franchise McDonald's and worked at that job for 30 plus years and put in a decent effort do you think you would still be pushing fattening food through the drive thru window? If you put in as much effort and time as a CEO does and weren't a VP or the CEO yourself you aren't worth the time or pay.”
espressobeans on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:40:56
“I don't think any of these CEOs are worth what they are getting and I think everyone should be paid a living wage rather than forced to mooch off the taxpayer who is subsidizing the business. Let things cost what they cost and then let the market place sort it out. I know a lot of people who are smarter and work harder than CEOs. Just because they call themselves magic job creators doesn't mean they are. Many are empty suits who are compeletely out of touch with what it means to be human let alone Christ like.”
“What a fraudulent comparison. Yet some will eat it up and spit out how bad big business is. Let me know when Masters and higher degree workers are taking orders for a Big Mac. Let me know how much the Mickey D worker makes after working in the industry for 30 to 40 years. Last I looked after that time span they should be Directors or above making big bank.”
poe2299 on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:44:26
“No one is saying that a low-skilled worker should make as much as a ceo with their MBA and 30 years experience. But what we are saying is that the lowest paid jobs should AT LEASTS be above poverty for a full time job.
Otherwise YOU are just subsidizing the CEO's paycheck by having YOUR taxes pay for financial assistance of THEIR workers.
“Tell me one place, one city, one town where someone was denied medical care for any ailment before the ACA was passed. More so, please share with all of use where the sick and dying were not treated. Do not mistake a personal choice as a medical failure. The ACA REDUCES the quality of medical care and the choices of doctors for those unable to afford insurance. The states that have opted out? Those are the states who's poor and sick will continue to get equal medical care. The participating states? Their poor and sick will go where they are told.”
Jagfrisco on Dec 10, 2013 at 10:23:38
“Okay, I have two. Friend A in the Dallas area cannot get treatment for a diagnosed cancer from 1-1/2 years ago, having earned $14000 last year. She makes too much to qualify for any "free" medical care in our state. Free clinics say her care is something they cannot do. No one will treat her UNTIL she is on death's doorstep, at which time they will admit her to die. On Jan 1, she is hoping to have an ACA policy to help save her.
Friend B was diagnosed with a rare complication of shingles that left her unable to sell real estate (here job, too), or do any job. Her hearing and balance were damaged, among other things. She had no medical insurance selling real estate because she could not afford it, and this was back 8 years ago. No one would treat her unless she paid cash. She depleted her savings of over $60,000 to live on, moving to progressively smaller and cheaper housing, finally losing most of her possessions (sold for doctor's bills), then finally filing bankruptcy. She is delighted that she now has an Obamacare policy to cover her medical care. BTW I personally took her to the public hospital ER, where they would would not admit her, telling her she was "stable", and sending her home, leaving the condition the same and untreated.”
“Obama doesn't know what Obamacare is. Pelosi nor Reid have a clue what it is. Obamacare is a travesty simply because it has NOT and will NOT deliver what was promised. What was promised is what got a man elected and re-elected and those duped may not quite realize yet they have been duped by one of the best.”
“As a Conservative, I agree, it is lost. What bothers me most is not the loss, it is the truth of what the ACA is. A man was elected on the premise HE had a policy that would provide equal, affordable healthcare to all Americans. The ACA is neither affordable nor does is begin to provide equal healthcare. Being hoodwinked and duped into voting for someone who doesn't know the policy himself must be very embarrassing for most Dems so I understand the defensive posture that must be taken in effort to defend being so gullible.”
JayInDallas on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:37:55
“Gullible is what GOP supporters are after the GOP spends upwards of 50 million dollars by "fiscal" conservatives and fail. How do you justify this? A report from CBS news found that each Obamacare repeal vote costs taxpayers $1.45 million. So all 40 Obamacare repeal votes have cost American taxpayers a grand total of $54 million.
It isn't as if the money couldn't be better spent elsewhere. These efforts did nothing to help the deficit and benefited no one except the do-nothings who took part.
At the heart of ACA is the mandate that insurance companies spend 80% of every dollar on providing healthcare. How can anyone justify the fact that the CEO of Cigna's $19.1 million salary was 94 times what an average primary care physician makes in a year? How much of your premium dollar went into HIS pocket?”
verbal007 on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:22:15
“Wellaid, and true”
dirtpapa on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:20:16
“The conservatives fought this Idea for so long they forgot it was really a GOP idea first. Just goes to show they don't care about anything except fighting the DEMS.at any cost. Must be embarrassing to be a conservative these days.”
WryAwry on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:18:08
“I agree. So much easier for me to simply write-off sick and dying people. Who cares if my neighbors of thirty five years lose their home as the result of crippling illness? That's their problem. When I see sick children, all I need to do is avert my eyes. I'm 'murican, dagnabbit, it's my right not to care about anybody but myself!”
“January 2, 1962: Since that date, almost 52 years ago a Democrat has ruled the roost and appointed party favorites to rule along side. The initial demise of the city began in 1967 with the Detroit riot. The only aspect the GOP plays into the total and utter demise of Detroit is the deliberate and selective ignorance Democrats have to apply in order to blame someone else, as is their party oath when the proof is irrefutable.”
Not2BeFooled on Dec 9, 2013 at 17:58:05
“Nevermind the fact that Detroit has one industry, manufacturing cars. And nevermind that fact that the big four auto-manufacturers shipped most manufacturing jobs out of the country to try to make up for the loss in profits due to making a terrible product.”
Demidan on Dec 9, 2013 at 17:41:40
“So the CEOs of the Big Four were all Dems and they decided to send their production out of state in country?
phillygirl15 on Dec 9, 2013 at 17:41:22
“I know, right? Because the first soundings of the republicans were over in the year that the Dems took the reigns and then I could see Alaska from my house!”
“It is easier to use Detroit as the litmus test of Democratic party politics. January 1, 1961 was the last time and day a Republican led the city government. The demise of Detroit began in 1964. What is is easy to do is apply selective ignorance and blame the GOP. That, by all means, is the Dem way to handle failure.”
truthandserenity on Dec 9, 2013 at 18:48:52
“You know about as much about Detroit as I do about nuclear physics. Pls take the TP talking points someplace else.”
“Again, an attempt at insult rather than any substantial retort to the original post. You are nothing more than a drive by poster. Hit and run with nothing to offer. Take the time to educate yourself. Go research where the casinos in Detroit are. Research who they cater to most. Research the level of diversity in local unions such as police and fire, city and schools or what is left of the automotive industry. It would behoove you to not use "learn" in your baseless innuendo. It simply confirms you have no knowledge to facilitate any comments regarding Detroit. I do not fault you for taking pride in saying nothing. Many people who lack knowledge of facts do it to feel empowered and deflect from their original assumptive ignorance. So, here is your chance. Name one thing a Democrat has done at the city, state or federal level in 20 years to directly lift the minority and poor of Detroit up. Name one Dem and one thing. You can't, so move on.”
“Tell me which President promised, assured, made many statements to the fact that ALL Americans would have the same healthcare? It wasn't what you could afford, it wasn't only doctors who participate or insurance policies that restrict people from seeing the best, he PROMISED equal, AFFORDABLE healthcare. Now tell me, what happens to the people who can't afford the best because they sure damn aren't going to get equal and affordable. How's that Kool Aid tasting?”
Geo Bruno2 on Dec 9, 2013 at 16:29:50
“WE see you can't answer the above
try again and tell us why you want 45,000 Americans to die from lack of affordable hc and 30+ million Americans that have pre existing conditions to be denied hc from their insurance company”
“Interesting. Assumptive for sure. Yet nothing to disprove the statement. I won't assume anything, it is clear you don't live in or care about Detroit. If you did you would not have opened your pie hole.”
traceymarie on Dec 9, 2013 at 16:53:05
“of course you don't understand, that is why you never learn, anything”
“Seems to me it has been Dems that created the misery in Detroit. They coddle to the unions to keep mostly whites employed and overly compesated while building casinos downtown to keep the minorities and poor down. Detroit is the litmus test of what to never do in city government.”
traceymarie on Dec 9, 2013 at 14:38:23
“rotflmao...and you wonder why people call you race. ist”
“Democrats have to keep people down to maintain power. Voter laws being addressed are primarily, and I mean almost 100% associated with voter ID laws. Name one state that allows voter registration without ID or without issuing an ID at the time of registration. The Democrats agenda is endorsement of lazy, irresponsible and entitled behavior. It is their only hope of maintaining power. This is witnessed and proven through the historically significant increase in the number of Americans registered for social welfare programs in four years, the recent call to increase welfare benefits by amounts larger than our lower enlisted soldiers are being given in pay raises and scare tactics used to convince and redirect minority citizens attention from the fact the GOP has actually done more for them over history than the Dems have. It is all about keeping people dumbed down, scared and dependent. Don't agree? Name one, just one program the Dems have created over the past four plus years (even during the Super Majority) that lifts minorities UP and provides the tools necessary to create a better future. Just one. Name one promise Obama ever made to create policy to do the same. Name one Bill, Act or Order the President has called for to lift minorities or the poor up. You can't.”
johndpieper on Dec 9, 2013 at 20:49:01
“Question #1 about voter ID: No voter ID required in: 1. Wisconsin 2. Maine 3. Nebraska 4. Ohio-must only announce name and address and a bill or document conferring it. NO photo ID required 5. Vermont-only required first time registering by mail. No longer needed for further elections Question #2. Even current military members are on welfare: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=238073
“are you kidding, this long post cant be reduced to just another entitlement diatribe. You dont think the economy has anything to do with increased benefit programs. As well, the economy is never in a vacuum of just one administration. So ya, that kind of has a lot to do with it, not some imaginary conspiracy of holding people down for a voter base, what utter nonsense.”
slocomgp on Dec 9, 2013 at 15:36:02
“You actually sound like you believe your tripe............Inform yourself just a tad, would you?”
Geo Bruno2 on Dec 9, 2013 at 14:35:09
“Name one Bill, Act or Order the President has called for to lift minorities or the poor up.
“This isn't about being in the pocket of big business, it is about keeping what is already ours and not sacrificing more so others can benefit. Considering that three of the first corporate entities the EU went after post formation were Apple, Motorola and Microsoft, protections for our corporations must be inclusive to all discussions. It cannot be addressed in a pro or anti corporate political stance, it must be addressed in a manner that protects American assets first. Those assets, like them or not produce revenue, jobs and most important for many, taxes that provide for social programs. The policies of many of these nations has already failed and most are fiscally impaired through those policies. Any attempt to broaden their benefits at our cost is unacceptable.”
RTIII on Dec 9, 2013 at 11:22:04
“"protections for our corporations"
OUR corporations? These corporations show zero loyalty to the United States or her citizens. If they did, while making record profits, where are the jobs? The liveable wages? The investments in private infrastructure like high-speed-internet?
No, these corporations are self-serving entities that care not one whit about you, me, or the USA, they only care about their next quarter's profits, no matter the costs.”
“Parts for the Mi 17 are more difficult to aquire than CH47 which removes that "excuse" entirely. Secondly, if parts availability is limited, foreign nation users will be at the bottom of the priority list for receiving them. The United States does not copanies that contract for depot or refurb maintenance either. Most importantly, Boeing revamped an entire assemply facility to support the overhaul of the 47D & E as they begin production of the 47F. Corporations simply don't throw that much money into a facility or prorgam without assurances. Most interesting, this is not the first time this has happened, simply the first time someone decided to report it. This administration has led the DoD to direct non bid contracts on other Russian rotar wing aircraft purchases as early as 2010. It seems no one cared to pay attention to the lost jobs, revenue and maintenance contracts the sales would have resulted in.”
appleton42 on Dec 9, 2013 at 09:39:00
“^ The United States does not have companies qualified to pull maintenance contracts for depot or refurb maintenance either.
More lost jobs and revenue”