“True, but pizza in Italy has been Americanized, as well. Just because we adopt and change it doesn't make it junk. Food is constantly evolving, much like fashion. There is no right or wrong to it, it is just the way of it.
My father considered himself a gourmet. I watched what he ate. It was, if you go by calorie content, junk food. Very good junk food, but junk nonetheless.
We have been conditioned to believe anything that can be quickly prepared by a chain restaurant is junk food. However, much of the comfort food we fix at home is really just junk food, high in calories, but nutritionally suspect. We consider that the burger we make at home is somehow better than the one we get at McDs, but the truth is often that there is no difference when it comes to fat and calories. Indeed, very often that burger we grill is higher in fat and calories than the one we by at McDs!
We Americans are very good at creating the truth we want to hear and believe. But it does not mean we are really right. But it makes us feel good to believe in our "truths."”
Raiderbri on Jun 3, 2014 at 09:16:24
“Dave, junk was the incorrect term as I am in Chicago and you can indulge me in a deep dish pizza anytime!”
“Well, food history is hard to pin down. For every version there is an alternative and "experts" abound. I may not have it completely straight, but from my readings and conversations with people who have a better clue than I, I think I am close to a good idea of it. lol”
Raiderbri on Jun 2, 2014 at 15:47:00
“Dave, it is just that what we Americans think is "authentic" has been "Americanized" and turned into junk/ I don't think Italians thought it would turn into Pizza Hut or Chinese Food into Panda Express(LOL) Thanks for the nice insight!”
“No, not really. What we think of as Chinese food started out during the days of railroad building. The Chinese laborers that came over included cooks. Those cooks used Chinese techniques and spices, but had to make do with many American ingredients. Meat was more plentiful and so dishes that would have been vegetable rich using small amounts of beef or pork as flavoring became meat rich dishes with a smattering of what vegetables were imported or available. For Chinese laborers and their children, these dishes became staples. And very few Americans ate it. During the 20 and 30s Chinese food became popular because it was both cheap and novel. and it began to spread across the country.
In the 70s, when I lived in the Bay Area, I ate in restaurants whose patrons were mostly Chinese-Americans. It was always an mix of traditional Chinese and Chinese-American dishes. In Houston I frequent the many dumpling houses in the SW/Asian leaning neighborhoods. I usually go with a few friends and order traditional style. We order 3 to 5 dishes and and each take a portion of each dish. Usually Americans expect a single plate with 2 or 3 items on it and order an appetizer separate. In a way that is how Chinese buffets are supposed to work, one takes small portions of a variety of items. Instead most Americans load up plates and overeat.”
“True. But it is also true that food constantly evolves, changes.
Regardless, what passes for the American version of spaghetti in a tomato based meat sauce is a comfort food, a convenient food. It is quick and easy., requiring little or no imagination. There is always a place for such.”
“I live in Texas. That said, I have never seen anyone, other than an armed police officer, with an unconcealed weapon in any restaurant. In my travels through New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, etc., I have never seen an openly displayed weapon carried by a civilian in a restaurant.
What I find hard to fathom is why open carry proponents are pushing the issue when the end result is polarizing and almost guaranteed generate an anti-gun backlash. It is as if pro-gun types are pushing for a showdown that that they will inevitably lose. Why? Police don't like to see openly displayed guns. even the most conservative of departments don't like it. Makes them nervous.
Sometimes gun proponents are their own worst enemy. But, believing they are in the right, they are blind to damage they do their own cause. I don't have a problem with that, but it makes me wonder about the intelligence and foresight some show. lol”
Blake Schreiber on May 31, 2014 at 04:11:45
“It's just a minority group. Of course, the entire group gets a bad rap for the actions of a few.”
“Pizza, as Americans recognize it, is based on the Italian concept, but American pizza isn't really Italian. I have more than a few cookbooks and like to study the evolution of foods. With the breads that pizza is based on the toppings were originally meant as enhancements and flavorings. The addition of olive oil, herbs, and small amounts of vegetables and/or savory meats was meant to create a food that was an addition to a meal or an appetizer, not a meal unto itself.”
rbchilds on Jun 1, 2014 at 22:20:43
“Lived in Sicily for 3 years, most Italian Pizza is a basically a pastry served cold.”
Raiderbri on Jun 1, 2014 at 12:08:05
“In a similar vein as "real" Chinese food as that is the equivilent of eating McDonalds”
jackbutler5555 on May 31, 2014 at 23:01:39
“All the pizza I saw in Italy took on the American form. ”
LibertyComesFirst on May 31, 2014 at 19:49:00
“IMO, the bread/dough is where American pizza completely misses the mark.”
cedy on May 31, 2014 at 17:27:27
“Yes, it's the same thing with spaghetti. Americans picture spaghetti as a dish that is spaghetti noodles covered deep in "spaghetti" sauce, with meat and so on. However this is not authentic. Spaghetti should be served with a light dressing of marinara ,and is served before the main meat. It is not a meal itself. The flavor of the pasta should be appreciated, but with Americans, it is only a vehicle for the sauce. Times are changing fast though and that antiquated thinking is slowly passing.”
stevedavis on May 31, 2014 at 15:52:34
“agreed. Italians have been eating versions of pizza since Roman days. And none of them had tomato sauce involved, until very very late in the process.”
Waterlooboy on May 31, 2014 at 12:23:39
“I feel in love with Italian pizza while in Italy. I'm always looking for restaurants that make the authentic pizza. This list is pretty reliable. I've been to two places, Orange county and Las Vegas. The pizzas were very good. Just like I remembered.
“My dad said when he was young, "pizza" was what they had for breakfast. The dough with what ever was in the house (they were very poor) His grandmother from Sicily use to raise sails for the pizza and spaghetti sauce. I always meant to ask him how you raise snails ;)”
“As silly as the alterations are, the school, and practically any other school for that matter, can alter or refuse to publish the pictures.
I don't like what they did. If the school was intent on presenting a crafted presentation of its student the rules for dress should have been spelled out before the pictures were taken and then enforced the when the pictures were taken. However, in this modern photoshopable age, administrators can correct their own errors in management after the fact.”
“The Tea Party is its own worst enemy. Their attitude is all or nothing so, most of the time, they get nothing. Of course, if you want legislation that gets shot down by the courts and laws that reflect political thinking a century ago, the Tea Party is the way to go.”
“News that Dan Patrick won the Republican nomination for lieutenant governor is sad news indeed for those looking for change in Texas.
In Texas we have a weak governor system. The real power lies with the lieutenant governor, as head of the state Senate. Even if we elect a Democratic governor, a longshot at best, the state will be firmly in Republican hands and will be headed by a tea party adherent. He has within his power to affect committees and committee chairs. Worse, the lieutenant governor also determines the course of redistricting through the Senate. If he stays in office through 2022, redistricting to enhance conservative seats and to isolate Liberal seats, a long tradition in Texas, will reflect Tea Party sensibilities. And, as any student of politics knows, Texas has a large delegation to the U.S. Congress. This one race has the potential for affecting politics in this country for a long time.
Dan Patrick as lieutenant governor is not just bad news for Texas, it is bad news for the nation.”
Deanr on May 28, 2014 at 17:40:58
“Bad news for liberals and your agenda but not for TX or the nation.”
“All true. Costs will rise. But the real issue is that the LA area is not hospitable, water wise, to the population that insists on living there. There is a water precariousness in the area. A major drought or an earthquake that takes out most of the long distance supply of water and LA is in deep trouble. It is a city of dreams built on the fantasy of cheap, abundant water.”
ktpinnacle on May 25, 2014 at 04:10:27
“The inevitability of a serious earthquake on a variety of faults and its effect on all utilities has been studied for many decades. We can expect at least a week being in the dark and locally without water, depending on the specific circumstances. Wise folks prepare. Seems that we've been seeing some movement on desalinization plants now that the cost of water has risen. They are a power drain and produce brines that are problematic, but in the long run we've got to go there.
I don't know if it's a fantasy, but LA has been finding outside sources of water for 100 years, since the Aqueduct from the Owens Valley was installed. With re-injection of gray water, construction of percolation basins, and utilizing various conservation efforts, we've pushed the envelope longer than expected. But I'm surprised that we don't have assured water supply requirements for new development, similar to Arizona.
If we get the possible El Nino this year, we may see more precipitation. But it's likely to be more than we'd appreciate based on the last one.”
“I have driven in and flown in and the greater LA area has always impressed me with its ability to dot the desert landscape with imprabable pockets of lushness.
That aside, swimming pools aren't the problem, it is the need to water the population and the vegetation that consumes the most. Its a sheer number of people living in a landscape that doesn't support them problem.”
Jonathan L Wright on May 24, 2014 at 19:02:32
“I can agree with that.”
ktpinnacle on May 24, 2014 at 18:57:35
“The per capita water use in the South Coast Area of California is one of the lowest in the state, and is approximately the same as the average per capita water use for the state of Texas.
As you said, the issue is population, especially population density. The cost for water is going up in CA, as the methods to provide it to public become more expensive and engineering-intensive.”
“Southern California has always had a water problem. The history of growth in the greater L.A. area is tied to getting water from far away to feeds its needs. Add to the issues that Cali's major agricultural areas are, for the most part, natural dry.
California has been living on water "credit" for a long time. And growth is only making the issues worse.
When an area lives beyond its means, eventually the piper must be paid.
But people don't like to hear that. Reality is so inconvenient sometimes.”
jjlutz on May 25, 2014 at 23:49:04
“Don't forget the fact that Xalifornia is shuttng down huge amounts of water to protect some obscure fish. What is more important, fish or our whole agriculture culture?”
Jonathan L Wright on May 24, 2014 at 17:55:49
“Fly a helicopter over LA and try to count all the backyard pools.”
May 13, 2014 at 23:30:46
“Many religious hymns started out as drinking or tavern songs. Popular tunes, in an age before near eternal copyright protection, were regularly recycled. Tunes that had no meaning at all were turned in countless variations. It is what people do.
Yes, the song was used to create a song that is deeply offensive. Fortunately, that past offensive use was all but forgotten along with other refuse of history. Unfortunately, it was dredged up and trotted out as an example of our racist legacy. Sometimes wallowing in a past we cannot change is a pointless exercise. It is good to know where we come from and what we did wrong, but whining about the past does not change the present. Only we can change the now to make a better future. Only by putting aside our failures as a nation and deciding to look to a society of equality can we become better.
When I here that detestably overplayed song, I will think about ice cream trucks. That a hundred years ago it had a detestable use is not my present and it is, hopefully, not our society's future.
IMHO, it is about two separate sets of rules. One for men and one for women. This has always been so. Women, by and large, have rebelled against rules that seem to benefit men. Women seek to write their own rules. I have no problem with that. But some women seem to believe that they should also help write the rules for men. Add to that the simple fact that if men criticize new rules for women, men are told to step back. However, it is fair game for women to criticize the rules men think they should be able to operate under. It is called hypocrisy. And pointing that out is not currently politically correct.”
“How do you tell a newbie at a bar? They are drinking what everyone else is drinking. The herd instinct is strong in humans and if they don't have a clue, they go with what the crowd. Or they work off a list informing as to what is popular or hip.
My drinks were scotch or bourbon on the rocks, Cuba Libre, or that trendy drink of the early 70s, a Tequila Sunrise. I drank what I liked and wasn't swayed by the hipsters of the period that looked upon scotch or bourbon on the rocks or Cuba Libre as "old peoples" drinks.
BTW, I never made a Sunrise, but every girl in the dorms swore by them and I drank what they made to play nice. It's what guys do in pursuit of... ;-)”
“I am reminded of my first encounter with my fellow students at university and their "shock" as they discovered that the world wasn't the pristine and pure place they had been told it was. I was rather well read and had a good, if not a practical, education in the diversity and true nature of history and the world.
The world is a very sexual place. History only covers what is deemed acceptable and therefore omits the "tawdry" bits.”
“"Happiness is found in different forms." That idea is what is missing in many of the comments, the idea of diversity of ways to happiness and/or contentment. The comments boil down to: My way isn't your way isn't their way. What I see are cries of "my way is best!" "You way can't possibly work!" or what amounts to "in my bitter experience (insert sad tale here."
I am constantly amazed that in theoretically liberal forums, theoretically liberal people can be so conservative and narrow minds while turning a blind eye to the true diversity of the world.”
reciprocat on May 13, 2014 at 05:36:38
“IT's feminism. Feminists are working with fundamentalists (either inadvertently or purposefully) to keep sex work and polygamy illegal, and to keep open marriages/relationships a shameful social offense.
I hate to make it sound more insidious than it is, but basically the sexual freedom/access that women are free to partake in, if they wish, they do NOT want men to equally enjoy. Every woman, if she wants it, can have different sexual partners of the opposite gender with little or no difficulty...at the most she will have to be discrete about that for social or relationship reasons. For a man, the requirements for such easy variety involve much more difficulty. Legal sex-work, polygyny, and the acceptance of open relationships would make it much easier for men to have the physical intimacy AND the variety that women currently have access to...without having to give up SUBSTANTIAL things to one woman.
Basically the current status quo helps maintain power/options for women in obtaining/maintaining RELATIONSHIPS/MARRIAGES. ...for them to have that, men can NOT have plenty of sexual "options".
“Hmmm... What to buy? What materialistic trinket that enriches some corporate entity capitalizing on the insecurity of a spouse is the thing that will pur5chase love and affection for me? After all, we have to buy love, right?
Ok, a bit of sarcasm there, but seriously, I would prepare a nice meal and/or do something to improve their well being and comfort. (Then ravish them and make their body sing! lol)”