“Sure, but what does that have to do with my comment? ACORN was long gone, and yet the Republicans continued to defund a nonexistent organization. In jest, I suggested that if we do this hundreds of times, we could use the money saved to do something valuable. I'm sorry that you missed the humor in what I was saying.”
Eubanks Edward on Aug 7, 2014 at 19:47:51
“I am sorry I missed it, too. I'll reread it in the right light.”
“One person one vote assumes that voters are not under undue influence in deciding their vote. If limitless contributions and spending are allowed, those with the most money will have a significant advantage in "persuading" voters that their views are the correct ones, which is as close as you can come to buying votes. However, we should really be more concerned with the effect of unlimited campaign contributions by a small number of wealthy individuals on the ability of representatives to actually represent anyone other than their campaign contributors. This problem already exists and it now will only get worse.”
“Stay on topic. We were talking about riverkwai1's post regarding about her causing economic recession and a stock market collapse. The Affordable Care Act had nothing to do with that, and I'm glad President Obama signed that one.”
“I'm not sure that trivial, albeit relatively, is how I would describe those issues, but I agree that keeping it directly relevant to addressing the debt is a better counterpoint to GOP budget reduction efforts. Good idea!”
jbp3 on Feb 2, 2014 at 11:30:20
“I am highly in favor of the "trivial" (not so trivial when considered on their own) ideas discussed above, but they should have no connection with raising the debt limit.”
“Which one would that be....Obama Care??? Oh..THAT was ALL Dems and ONLY Dems. But...like the BRILLANT Nancy said...they all had to pass the bill to read it. What a bunch of sheep for listening to her! And Now...they're all suffering buyers remorse...and they ALL OWN it! ;)”
“I agree that you write comedy, especially those parts about me forming a new party and how I was deadly serious in my post.
What I want to see is more gun control, immigration reform, a single payer system, and a lot less brinksmanship in Congress. I happen to think that most of the blame for our current situation lies with the tea party-driven GOP, but the Democrats are not entirely blameless.”
“Gimme a break Dan. My comments in HuffPost have nothing to do with why this nation is in decline. I'm stuck with John Boehner as my representative, and in this district, there is no chance of electing anyone else. I'm not setting policy, I'm not running for election, and the people you need to be scolding are members of Congress - not me.
My comment was a tongue-in-cheek attempt to point out how absurd our situation is. I'm sorry you took me so seriously.”
Dan Bunn on Feb 1, 2014 at 18:41:07
“Yes... you are... by NOT forming a new party to challenge these idi8's in Congress.
P.s.... you were DEADLY serious when you said that... I write comedy.. there was nothing comedic about it.
You really want to see that.”
“They've offered ideas to shrink the social safety net, which are clearly ideologically driven. How can one expect discussion when refusal to include increasing revenue has been taken off the table? This is another example of how the GOP wants to "discuss" the issue; un unwillingness to compromise. When the GOP is willing to accept some of the Dem's ideas, then something might be worked out. That's how it's been done throughout history.
Regarding the history of the individual mandate, there is no denying that it had conservative origins (a la Forbes). I would have greatly preferred a single payer system. I have no problem with healthcare costs going up if it means that more people are covered. The old system did not work, and the is an improvement.
I referenced Salon not as a news source, but as an interesting perspective I wanted to share with you. Sorry you missed that point.”
stuth on Feb 1, 2014 at 15:57:13
“they've offered ideas to save the social "safety" net....like i said the CBO has them going insolvent in the near future, and Obama himself called them the largest drivers of long term national debt. Increased revenues haven't been off the table...in fact that's what the GOP has been pushing....but i think what you mean is increased taxes....and that too is on the table, and inf fact we have had tax increases under the current administration. The GOP has been taking the Dems ideas...we have been passing Dem policies....Obama has also made it clear "he won" and "will not negotiate" - which is unprecedented....and a total 180 from his stance when he was a Senator.....and a 180 for Reid from when the GOP had the Oval.
I do not deny the ind mandate was an idea thought of at a Conservative Think Tank. I would much prefer the cost go down, so more people can afford it. I agree the old system didn't work well, and we needed reform......I disagree strongly that this is any sort of improvement, quite the opposite.
Salon, for some reason...seriously...locks up my computer.”
“Drinking the kool-aid again? As to trying to discuss issues, I hardly think that demanding the repeal of the Affordable Care Act and the gutting of the social safety net while maintaining tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy as discussion.
“no Joe...not drinking any kool-aid.....they have offered a number ideas to help with the spending problem...including reform to medicare, medicaid and SS (all programs the CBO said are heading towards insolvent status in the near future and at least with medicare/medicaid Obama himself agrees are the largest drivers of long term debt) but the left refuses to even discuss the issue. Obama has made it clear. If you don't like their ideas, great, come up with soem of your own and we'll work something out. That's how it's been done throughout history
“Yes, but it's very one-sided. GOP leaders have been driven to be uncompromising in their positions out of fear of being "primaried" by tea party ultra-conservatives. The blame for this does not lie with President Obama, many of whose political beliefs align more with traditional moderate Republican positions. It has everything to do with the radical shift of the GOP, an unwillingness to yield ground, and a willingness to bring everything down around them if they can't have their way.”
stuth on Feb 1, 2014 at 09:17:25
“the GOP has been driven to be uncompromising? they have been the ones trying to discuss issues...and the left, lead by Obama has made it clear he will not negotiate on the issue, which is unprecedented in US history.
Obama traditonal moderate GOP? hahahha....in what world?”
“Two can play at this game. How about if Democrats insist on passage of gun control or immigration reform or a single payer system before they will support raising the debt ceiling?”
Kathy Rybolt on Feb 2, 2014 at 14:57:01
“I know you'r just kidding - but that would only serve to have dems stoop to the gutter lows as the repubs. Let's just allow them to play in the gutter all by themselves!”
wrabbitt on Feb 2, 2014 at 12:51:45
“Chance the Obamacare option to single payer.”
Martha Fair on Feb 2, 2014 at 09:21:43
“good idea...I like it.”
jbp3 on Feb 2, 2014 at 07:56:55
“Those demands are too relatively trivial and too unrelated to debt to contemplate. The one demand they should insist on, if the Republicans don't want a "clean" bill, is an abrupt tax rate increase on the 1%, say 50% for incomes above 1 million, 60% for incomes above 5 million, and 70% for incomes above 20 million. This would help pay down the debt, or at least greatly slow its rate of increase.”
markofamerica on Feb 2, 2014 at 07:06:07
“That will only get the Dems accused of extortion. Professional hypocrisy is not for the feint of heart.”
Dan Bunn on Feb 1, 2014 at 16:49:54
“You'll get stalemate and a nation in decline.. as it already is.
I'd recommend putting people who act like ADULTS into Congress and not partyologists as we have on both sides of the aisle NOW.
Our nation and Congress is NOT a game, Joe... you NEED to lose that High school mentality.
It's one of the reasons why the Nation is in the condition it's in now.”
Kathy Rybolt on Feb 1, 2014 at 13:45:03
“They have - but the gop have predictably blocked both as bills as they have all other bills.”
FromaNawlinsLevee on Feb 1, 2014 at 12:43:03
“From New Orleans:
Wow! Note the second you mentioned "playing the same game" ...they go all hyper and spas*ti*c on you.... Lol.”
jbarelli on Feb 1, 2014 at 11:35:52
“This assumes that the Republicans are actually opposed to letting the country default, rather than simply being afraid that they will get the blame for it.”
Wildlife2064 on Feb 1, 2014 at 10:56:44
“For one thing, ALL those things are supported by Democrats. The idea is to trade a bunch of things you want for one thing the opponent wants, and the smaller the thing is you give the opponent the better. The Democrats should ask for universal background checks, immigration reform, and single payer in exchange for a 1% tax cut for the wealthy, then also remove the outsourcing loophole to negate that savings for them. THEN they would negotiate just like the GOP.”
Martha Fair on Feb 1, 2014 at 10:32:46
“Awesome idea...the two parties can play "Mother May I" and let's see what happens. When dealing with children, sometimes you need to play their same game.”
thinker43 on Feb 1, 2014 at 08:55:26
“If the debt ceiling needs to be raised, then Congress needs to raise it.
The idea of Dems demanding gun control form in particular, however, is a great answer to the GOP wanting to kidnap the debt ceiling again and asking as ransom any kind of repeal of the ACA.
"You guys want to repeal part of the ACA, then you're going to have to first vote for stricter gun control measures." I'd love to see it!”
stuth on Feb 1, 2014 at 07:54:24
“two have played this game...not until Obama became President have we had political leaders unwilling to work with the other side.”
Laurie Prather on Feb 1, 2014 at 02:25:13
“I don't think Democrats will ever get that rabid”
Molly D on Jan 31, 2014 at 22:39:57
“The Repubs think it's a game of chicken. But to do that they have to actually be willing to do the smashup.
So the real game ends up, each time this happens, among themselves. Where some actually want to do the default. Others want to veer off at the last second. They make themselves look like irresponsible juveniles. The Dems aren't that, and can't act like that.”
Polar Shift on Jan 31, 2014 at 19:42:14
“Joseph, It would be fun to see their faces explode, but not a good idea in the end.”
Jack Brevard on Jan 31, 2014 at 19:19:14
“Problem is that Republicans WANT a shutdown because they hate the government and all government employees (other than themselves). The shut down doesn't hurt them or the people they pander to at all. So, Democrats don't have leverage in this fight because the Democrats just don't want the United States to implode. The Republicans are banking on it.”
Douglas Wible on Jan 31, 2014 at 19:12:18
“That is not who we are. We are the grown ups. We clean up the mess, no matter how foul or thankless the job. It has always been thus, and ever shall be.”
Kyle on Jan 31, 2014 at 18:53:48
“single payer is out there, always has been, Just take your honorable DD-214 to the VA, and sign up with form VA Form 10-10EZ; as long as you served in a declared conflict, have a service connected disability, or live below the financial qualification line , you’re in! We could all have it in 65 years, that or Medicare, had Obama just mandated compulsory military service, instead of health care purchase.”
OldUncleTom on Jan 31, 2014 at 18:29:24
“Then Democrats would become as stupid and ideological (redundant, I know) as Republicans, and voters will have no good choices in November, instead of only one.
“With the exception of HR 2433, none of these are jobs bills. The GOP calls them jobs bills, but in reality they are simply GOP efforts to emasculate the EPA's regulatory power. HR 1229-1231 are not about jobs, they are about allowing big oil to accelerate their ruining the environment (more BP gulf oil spills). HR 2273 would allow further environmental damage by coal producers, but it's not about jobs unless they were to create a companion bill to hire people to clean up the resulting mess.
HR 2433 may be the only legislation that you brought forward that should have had a vote. One jobs bill to train veterans for jobs that are not there.”
Ray Reiff on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:30:55
“Do you have any idea how the EPA works? The EPA has an act called RCRA that regulates hazardous waste which includes waste from coal. Why exactly is it necessary for Obama to avoid the risk based regulatory framework established by this act and resulting regulations that are specifically designed to protect the environment? btw, if Obama was really serious about environmental protection he would remove the exclusion in the hazardous waste regulations for fracking fluids.
Requiring the Secretary of the Interior to ensure proper safety reviews are in place before issuing offshore drilling permits is somehow allowing oil companies to pollute the environment? This actually address one of the reasons we had the oil spill in the gulf. A cap was put on financial responsibility for deep water drilling which changed the financial risk profile of such operations without requiring additional safeguards.
I'd also like to point out that it was the State Department under Hilary Clinton that conducted the first environmental impact study for the Keystone XL pipeline and found no problems with it. It was only after state governors and environmental groups stepped in that the brakes were put on the project. The EPA was asked to review the Clinton managed study and would not endorse it claiming it lacked consideration of significant risk and recommended that a third party be involved.”