“Watch the new commercials and they just don't have the same feeling that would draw in customers. We don't have all the details, but I don't need to shop at a company like this one. There are too many options.....maybe George will start a competing company...presumably his hostile ouster didn't include a non-competing clause.
BTW, didn't MWH just buy Jos. A. Bank? Don't shop there either!”
“As you have so aptly pointed out, stores maintain many levels of "security" to protect THEIR STORE, not their customers. If their presence provides evidence in the event of a purse-snatching, mugging, or some such situation, it is purely incidental, and not the primary reason for its presence.
As a concealed-carry owner myself, I have never been addressed regarding carrying, because NO ONE knows I am carrying. Open carry is, in my opinion, a provocative (passive/aggressive) act of intimidation, which only inflames the ire of people who are already anti-gun. Bad PR, which we don't need.”
“Can you read? Businesses are liable for the safety of their customers as relates to things like wet/slippery floors, product liability, building and property issues related to possible physical safety issues....i.e. "foreseeable issues". They are NOT responsible for the random lunatic who enters their establishment with firearms and 3000 rounds of ammo, or a Molotov cocktail.
What, exactly, does "food" have to do with an armed assassin?”
dan101t on Dec 8, 2013 at 13:13:34
“Why do you suppose stores have security cameras, is that not a form of protection? Why do many stores have security guards wandering around, many of them armed, is that not protection? Why do many stores have “panic buttons” under the counter, is that not a form of protection? If they seem to want to protect themselves from robbery, how can they deny you the right to protect yourself?
Really, 3000 rounds of ammo?
What I meant about food service is that there are more rules, regulations, and inspections involved.”
“One of the biggest problems the gun-defenders have is people who attempt to use incredibly lame analogies to make their point....like yours.
How about, "Do you learn to swim? Are you afraid the water will kill you?".
In your lifetime, how many people have you had to kill to defend yourself? One? Ten? How about none? Or are you hoping that one day you will be able to do just that?”
“We are in agreement here. Unfortunately, I believe the two (polar) sides in the "debate" fuel the passions of the other, making it even more difficult for "sanity to prevail."
Thanks for your views!!”
“I can really appreciate your "history". Dedication and preparation are paramount considerations, and are something few people do in their life.
I also spent decades in self-defense training, finally finding my greatest inspiration in the philosophies and teachings of the late Bruce Lee (Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do). Their is great depth to a perspective like "fighting without fighting". Of course, like you, being over 6 feet tall and 200lbs has certainly been a factor.”
mate556 on Dec 7, 2013 at 14:41:09
“You would think my height and fitness would be. I also paid my way through grad school by working as a bouncer in several rough pubs. And sadly some merely don't realize that there are people that they really should think twice about messing with. But such is the nature of the places such as those and the people that frequent them.
It also lends to something that I always teach to people that seek me out for instruction on firearms and self defense. If all you have is a gun, what happens when the person that you pull it on isn't dissuaded by it. There are those out there that merely the presence of a gun isn't going mean anything to them other than another obstacle.
And also a huge fan on Bruce lee and all of his teachings. I have never studied Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do directly,(I spent my youth in Japan and was classically trained there, Karate, Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Kendo, Then branched out depending on where my father was stationed, Kali, Escrima, brazillian Jiu Jitsu, Savate) but I have incorporated his philosophies and teachings into those. The man was a genius and decades ahead of his time. I did get to meet Danny Inosanto at an exhibition one time. I have never been one to gush. But that was pretty cool.”
“No business is responsible for the "safety" of their customers, as related to some lunatic opening fire in a crowded store. Were that true, every business would have to employ elements of the TSA and hire a dedicated mini-army patrolling the store in fatigues and openly carrying heavy firepower. That's a nice image for America. Taking the kids to see Santa while a half dozen field-dressed combat-ready "elves" keep an eye on things.
The belief that everyone in America has a right to parade everywhere with a cannon is insane. NO right is unlimited............except, perhaps, in a nation where the government, including the Supreme Court, is bought and paid for by special interest groups.”
John Swirczewski on Dec 7, 2013 at 14:54:42
“Interesting Comment, however when you prevent, Person or Family, to protect themselves (USA Constitutional right) you except the responsibility that action incurs. If not, court action can be the taken, in the form of a suit and I'm sure that the Huff Post and NRA would welcome all the Help necessary to prove.”
OdinsEye on Dec 7, 2013 at 14:47:53
“Actually, that very argument has been what has caused numerous courts and legislative bodies to allow concealed carry in many other places.”
dan101t on Dec 7, 2013 at 14:45:46
“Businesses are responsible for the safety of their customers, where are you from? There are lawsuits filed every day against stores for every kind of safety issues that you can think of. Every store in this country must be certified by the state on such safety issues. And it’s worse if food is involved with that business.”
“I'm not arguing with you. We both share a common realization that there are situations and occasions when the "right to bear" is essential and prudent.
My issue is with those whose paranoia creates a constant fear of every situation, and even more so, those who "open carry" in places like Walmart, where I believe their real intention is to intimidate others. (My opinion. I believe defense doesn't involve "display".)”
Level headed ex-liberal on Dec 7, 2013 at 12:31:54
“I believe the folks that seem to you to be overplaying the display are reacting to the erosion of the right to carry, no different than any demonstration of people trying to defend a civil right. It's not paranoia to believe there is an effort to erode gun rights. It's very real, and those actions are logically creating a reaction.”
“Admittedly, my view may be somewhat skewed as I have never been threatened by anyone (Of course, being 6 ft and 200lbs, I guess that may be a factor.). However, were I to fear every environment in which masses of people gather, I would never leave the house......armed or not.”
“How does anyone know how much $$$ I'm carrying? Have you been robbed? Have you been raped? Have you had a threat against your life? (That is, by the way, a crime. Have that person arrested and prosecuted.....unless your apparent response would be to kill them first?) If you live under such a constant fear of threat to life and limb, it only makes sense to MOVE!! THAT is what "confuses me".”
Level headed ex-liberal on Dec 7, 2013 at 11:44:43
“My family, like millions of others, owns several bars and restaurants. There are days when there is 15k in deposits that need to be taken to the bank. It doesn't take a genus to know that the owner has a great deal of cash on them when leaving the business with a package. Rape? I certainly would much rather a rapist be shot than be able to perpetrate the crime and be prosecuted. And move? How is that a defense? Is there a place on earth that doesn't have robbery, rape and stalking?”
“I am a gun owner who enjoys hunting, range shooting, and, maintaining my skills level at my highest level. I also strongly support concealed carry, although it is not my practice to carry every time I go out the door.
What confuses me about some people is the psychology behind NEVER being un-armed. Are these people really so afraid of venturing out into the world every day that they need to be ready at any moment to utilize deadly force? What kind of neighborhood do they live in? As a trainer once asked me, "How many times in your life have you been involved in a spontaneous fight? If it happens regularly, it is YOU who is the problem!"
All we owners need to realize is: use a little common sense.”
mate556 on Dec 7, 2013 at 13:25:40
“It really does depend on the psychology of it. And how they look at what their respective gun means to them. If they look at it as merely a way to end a fight or their sole means of protection then yes I agree with you. I, and many others look at it as merely a tool. Same as a pocket knife, but more to your point, I view it same as keeping up on my CPR and I even went so far as to get an EMT certification and worked part time in grad school as an EMT. I took the course not because I wanted to be an EMT even though that served me rather well. I took it because I wanted that knowledge with me as I traverse whatever area I happen to be in. And if the need arises, I have that knowledge and I have that skill base to help. For some it merely boils down to the philosophy of they would rather have and not need, then need and not have.
But I think your position boils down to confidence and trust in their skills. I don't always carry, but that is also because I am 6'4'' and I have trained in various forms of self defense since I was little more than a toddler. I view it as if people that carry only focus on the carrying they are doing themselves a disservice. Not every problem is a nail seeking a hammer.”
JERRY BATTECA on Dec 7, 2013 at 11:13:05
“Remember when seconds count the police are minutes away”
Joe in N Calif on Dec 7, 2013 at 10:58:33
“Do you always wear your seat belt? Are you afraid you will be in a crash?
Do you have a fire extinguisher in your car? Gee, you must really be afraid of a car fire!
Please tell us how to predict exactly when a firearm might be needed to save a life, Cireneed.”
Level headed ex-liberal on Dec 7, 2013 at 10:56:14
“I'm glad that you don't live under any type of threat. Maybe you don't need to carry large amounts of cash. Maybe you've never been robbed or raped. Maybe no one has made a threat against your life. That isn't true for everyone. I'm not sure what is so confusing about that.”
aroldfut on Dec 7, 2013 at 10:28:19
“I agree in principle, and I don't always carry when I venture out. But since shopping malls, schools, offices, and home invasion robberies in upscale neighborhoods are increasing, where can we say with assurance is a "safe zone"?”
“oooops! You know what? They are featured in the "news" so often (as if they are the model for all America) that I just (wrongly) assumed these two self-absorbed narcissists were actually LEGALLY a re-producing couple!!!”
“Yup. TRUE love is always measured in DOLLAR$$$$$$$. The more you spend, the more you love someone.........uh huh. "Love, Hollywood Style". That's why I know their marriage will stand the test of time.........................................LOL”
FlaviaDeLuce on Dec 3, 2013 at 19:32:07
“it takes a lot of cash for these people to convince themselves of love”
“Certain political types would want to place these "samples" into the hands of some of their "privatized" industrial friends (Haliburton subsidiary?).....Yes, "The Andromeda Strain" does indeed come to mind.........”
“The central point in her comment, the (singular) affair happened, and ended, years ago, is what matters. There is nothing to be gained from clearing one's conscience by destroying the life of their partner, who now must consider their entire life as a lie.
Those who are serial cheaters do not receive this dispensation. They are merely scum who don't deserve the love of any partner.”