“I think you need to re-read the US constitution……or see my post to Donny Schell for a quick study. If she's sued for a state law, it'll go the the US Supreme court which will side with my argument for the reasons I list.”
“A delicate and complex subject…….in 95% of the cases it's not, of course. The problem arises when one group's claim to a "right" infringes upon the right of another individual or group. Firstly, the Constitution through the 15th and 19th Amendments prevents discrimination on basis of race, color or gender when it comes to VOTING ONLY. The 14th amendment helps to extend that concept through due process but ONLY WHEN DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT. None of these address any discrimination based on sexual preference, and none address private individuals or businesses. Groups of people shouldn't have to be favored over any other group….this is especially dangerous if that favoritism, masked as a "protection of a right" is mandated by a government, and infringes on the rights of another group. You may call it discrimination, but in the eyes of someone who believes that a group regularly participates in and condones immoral acts, and those acts violate the conscience of that person, shouldn't that person have the right to refuse service, refuse association, refuse collaboration? Even if you believe they are bigots for doing so, infringing upon their religious expression violates their rights and possibly goes against the concept of separation of church and state, if doing so would mean the government is interfering with the freedom of religion promised in Amendment 1.”
Donny Schell on Mar 7, 2013 at 23:18:47
“The 1st Amendment protects the freedom of speech and ensures the right practice your religion privately however you wish. It doesn't give businesses the right to discriminate toward whomever they want and get away with it. And these people can believe whatever they want, it's just that under these anti-discrimination laws they can't deny products or services to protected classes of citizens even if they think these certain people are "immoral". And laws can't really regularity morality since what is moral to one person is not to another--it's subjective. As for the 14 Amendment, it says this " nor [shall any state] deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". And gay couples are denied equal protections under the law.”
“No it wouldn't. There'd be businesses that cater to Gays, and those that don't. Some redundancy, but "carry capacity" for any market would drive which survived and which didn't. Whether you consider it discriminatory, or the right for a business owner to stick by his moral/religious views, it's a delicate balancing act for the gov't to not trump one groups rights in favor of another's rights.”
clockworkphantom on Mar 7, 2013 at 19:03:41
“Forgive me please, for I don't quite remember much from my economics class a few years ago. Humbly I must say that your right.”
Mar 1, 2013 at 00:31:56
“You should think again……esp as a black woman. There are some dangerous, dangerous precedents being set here. Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it….”
iwascreated1 on Mar 1, 2013 at 09:22:41
“NO ONE WILL EVER FORGET SLAVERY, AND NOR SHOULD WE.
THAT WAS AN EVIL TIME IN OUR HISTORY.
AND WITH COMMENTS LIKE YOURS AND THE OTHERS WHO SHARE YOUR COMMON BELIEF'S AND IDEOLOGY, IT'S STILL OCCURRING, SILENTLY, WITH RACIAL SLURS, PAINTINGS OBLIVIOUS OFFENSIVE TO BLACK PEOPLE...
LIKE THE TWO IN THIS STORY...
HATE CRIMES (YES THAT'S WHY THE LAW WAS CREATED) THE LIST GOES ON...
Racism is very much alive today, if you choose to partake in it (BASED ON YOUR COMMENT, SEEMS LIKE YOU DO), good luck with that.
As an American I am offended...That's why we have museums...
Did you see JDango? That's what todays attempt at enslaving Black Americans would look like...
So you mr ideologist should think again!
Seems like you're forgetting this is the 21 century and we have a BLACK president, who was voted in by the people. ( People, i.e inclusive of all)
This is a new time, we are not the slaves of yesterday, hence the law suit, and she will win!
jDango was a great movie, I can still hear Kerri Washington's screams as the whip cracked on her back...I had goose bumps and chills.
May all those slaves R.I.P”
“If meaning that by enforcing laws, our decline will continue. I'll gladly take that bed. The other option is making a pact with the devil. So, now, let's see you defend how NOT enforcing our laws, and becoming popular for it, makes you some sort of hero…..”
“Highly unlikely. At the very least, statistics show it doesn't matter what the gun laws are….. It's all "out there" for the reading. IL, MA, MI, etc with the most restrictive gun laws also have skyrocketing crime/murder rates, as do Texas, FL, SC, LA, with looser gun laws. Likewise, NY, CT, NJ have much more restrictive laws and somewhat lower rates of violent crime but so do ND, SD, UT, ID, WI, and others all with very loose gun laws. However, the preponderance of "low violent crime" states are those with looser gun laws ……something bout knowing you're gonna get shot tends to prevent perps from even trying. Check it out yourself: http://chartsbin.com/view/1206 There are other sites, feel free to do your own fact-checking before bashing mine….'cause the latter, I know, is solid.”
JeanRR on Feb 12, 2013 at 07:57:53
“You can rant and rave and accuse me of bashing your "facts' all the want. The truth is there is lttle real data on guns laws and their effect on crime. I would like to see a real unbiased look at the problem but anyone who tries that is immediately attacked by the gun lovers. NYC and Chicago have comparable guns laws, yet shootings are going down in NYC and up in Chicago. Shouldn't this be studied a bit? Guns lovers are afraid to do any real research on the problem because they fear what it will show. BTW, I own a gun--I just don't love it.”
“Sure……DE has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country (along with CT I might add), YUP! And IL is the ONLY state in the union that has NO Concealed carry permit, and doesn't honor any other state's either. Yes hundreds die in Chi-towns streets (and E St Louis) every year…..should make you wonder (but it won't, 'cause you're a liberal bent on emotion instead of facts).”