“You can't even cover that up... He is a liar. That was absolutely aimed at the LGBT community, gay men specifically. And the worst part is that this is coming from someone who is also part of a minority. Hasn't he learned from the way racial minorities have been treated in the past, and still today, to not act like that towards other people? I'm sure he has felt the racism that is still apparent in this country, and it is a shame that he would turn around and treat someone else that way.”
“It isn't a child's "birthright" to have a mother and a father.. it is a privilege. Just in the same way it is a privilege to have any TWO parents, or all four grandparents, or several aunts and uncles. With that mindset, I wonder what he would have to say about over-crowded orphanages and single mothers/fathers?”
lilacluvr on Dec 21, 2011 at 13:02:43
“I remember Newt Gingrich in the 90's advocated to take children away from welfare recipients and put them in orphanages. Sounds like Rick is just following the Pied Piper's footsteps.”
“I couldn't agree with you more on your opinion of the term "disorders of sexual development." That part of their activism definitely rubbed me the wrong way. I don't believe it is a disorder in any way. I found it interesting, and to be a profound point, when I read the book "Evolution's Rainbow" and it was pointed out that a distinct biological sex binary does not exist in hundreds, perhaps thousands, of other species in the world.
Perhaps my opinion that medical activism is important comes from the fact that I am about to be a physician myself and am a little biased in that regard. I absolutely disagree with how the ISNA conducted their activism, especially without strong support from the intersex community. However, I believe I will be able to advocate for intersex equality in a fully respectful, and hopefully successful, manner within the medical community.”
“The "disorders" included under the umbrella term of intersex were already pathologized... The ISNA was not responsible for that. Furthermore, they are fully supportive (obviously) of equality, human rights, and protection against discrimination for people with intersex conditions. They are just more focused on the medical aspect of the activism. And if something is going to be changed about the way intersex individuals are treated by medical professionals at birth, change is going to have to come from within the medical community first, for instance the AMA and the APA in the U.S. Activism within the medical community, as well as in the public and with law-makers are all equally important and need to take place simultaneously.
I appreciate your passion on this subject and with this movement. More people need to be on board. :-)”
Hida on Dec 15, 2011 at 04:35:08
“Tx for voicing your support! I disagree however that change has to come from the medical community first. Progress in other nations disputes this & I even had one prominent medical expert tell me that he tries to convince parents not to operate, but the parents push for it. The social mindset will need to change for these practices to stop.
Fyi: "disorders of sex development" emerged as the result of a paper (co-written by ISNA founder Cheryl Chase) presented at a medical conference which urged the medical community to replace our former umbrella label, which was intersex (without consulting the existing global interex community.)
ISNA stated that this was done to "meet the medical community where they are." But when the '60's US civil rights movements began, African-Americans did not meet racists "where they were" by adopting the stigmatizing labels. ISNA did great work, but helping pathologizing us was not a win according to the global intersex community and many human rights advocates.
Women have health issues, such as breast and ovarian cancer, attributed to being female, but there is nothing innately wrong with being female, and the same is true for intersex. The US has fallen behind the rest of the Western world with this view of intersex as a "medical issue."
Kudos to Mayor Briffa for not calling himself a "man" or "woman" "with a disorder," but claiming who and what he is: intersex. I applaud his courage and success.
“What an inspiration! There needs to be more activism within the medical community on Intersex issues. It is such a crime that these individuals are subjected to "corrective" surgeries, and then LIED to, which, under any other medical circumstance is illegal. There is nothing wrong with someone who is born intersex. This is a great example of someone of sound mind, who is a leader, and who has earned the approval of a diversity of people in their community. This article was very uplifting.”
angela erde on Dec 13, 2011 at 19:06:38
“Activism with the medical community? No way! ISNA - the Intersex Society of North America - tried that approach rather than working for equality, human rights and protection against discrimination for intersex people and look what they got! Medical pathologization and worse... and no human rights still, for 4% of the human population, intersex people:
“I find it upsetting that some gay rights activists are blasting Clinton (and Obama) for not doing more in this country. Gay rights (human rights) need to be pushed in this country AND around the world. One doesn't take priority over the other. These are movements that can simultaneously take place, and they should. Furthermore, Clinton acknowledged that there was still more work to be done in the U.S. The point is that full LGBT rights are not going to be achieved all at once. This is a process that is going to involve taking one step at a time, and Clinton's speech was a HUGE LEAP forward for LGBT rights internationally AND in the U.S. I would hope that the LGBT activist leaders of this country would realize this and praise her for giving this historic speech. Yes, I believe Clinton and Obama could be doing more to push LGBT rights in this country, but I am grateful for her giving this speech.
In Clinton's speech she said that no minority has ever been able to achieve equality on their own. Women need men's support to achieve equality for women, racial minorities need support from all races in order to achieve equality for all races, and the LGBT community needs the support of the heterosexual community in order for us to achieve equality. Let's try to remember this and be grateful when someone (heterosexual) of such power and persuasion sticks her neck out for our cause.”
“Read what I wrote, "He asked me if we are 'together like Mommy and Daddy are together.'" Clearly this shows that he understands we love each other and live our lives together. He knows that it is the same type of relationship his two parents have together. He has grown up with us, it is normal to him, and he knows there is nothing wrong with us... He is 5 and knows we "don't need fixing" either.
I'm continually surprised at how children these days are more open-minded and educated than bigoted conservatives. These kids are the future, and no matter how hard people fight it, FULL equality for the LGBT community will be achieved.”
“So then where do you draw the line between what he actually thinks/wants to get done and his "pandering"... regardless, as a gay man, I'd think the point would be moot because isn't that what you wanted? A president who pushes for LGBT rights? Don't be so hypocritical.
I don't know what else you want him to do, because, sorry to break it to you, we aren't going to get ALL the rights we want in 4 years.”
“Just because Bill O'Reilly doesn't educate his children on diversity, doesn't mean all 8 year olds are equally as uneducated... My 5 year old nephew calls my partner "Uncle" and on the day he first met my partner, asked me if we are "together like Mommy and Daddy are together". And that took no "coaching" by either party.”
Hetneo on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:49:16
“Yep, that's because 8 year olds are intellectually more than capable of understanding that relationship between mom and dad is specific one. They don't know details of it, and don't care about those details, but know that it's specific type of relationship.”
kickserv on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:13:28
“You don't use children to get your point across.”
christopherflynn on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:10:08
“What an insightful comment!!! Fanned and faved immediately...Best wishes at the holiday season...
chance1946 on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:04:24
“But does he know what it means. Should the 5 year old vote in the next election? Does this make sence?”
“Get off you high horse dude, anybody with half an education can understand your over-analytical criticism of the rhetoric in this speech. We all understand that the WORD "gay" is culturally constructed... but no matter how you slice it, same-sex sex, guys living on the "down low", or women who call themselves lesbians rather than "gay" all fall under homosexuality, and homosexuality is more often referred to as "gay". Hillary Clinton perfectly understands what it means to be gay.
You also state that the Obama administration hasn't given any "federal teeth to the gay marriage compaign." Well, this isn't our only human right that has been denied in this country, or around the world. To me, as a gay man, it is more important to be protected from discrimination and hate crimes than it is to get married, though I will continue to fight for both causes. Repealing DADT was repealing a huge discriminatory policy against the LGBT community. Perhaps that is something you should give the administration credit for.
Finally, you attack her in this article for ignoring the "staggering rates of suicides among gay teens and the violence committed against them." This fact was directly acknowledged in her speech, and she admitted there was still more that needed to be done in the U.S. in terms of LGBT rights. Your inability to write a well-educated and informed article is HIGHLY frustrating and disappointing to see on this website.”