“You're right! They should have had a public option like in Australia. That way the the private insurers are forced to offer better policies instead of charging a fortune then skiving out of their existing obligations like they do.
“O sufferer of the Dunning-Kruger effect... Venus wobbled so much it flipped over and is now rotating slowly in the other direction. LOL
Mercury rotates slowly. Mercury is closer to the sun than Venus yet it is colder. Mercury even has has ice caps. CO2 is the reason given for why Venus is so hot... ALL OVER it's surface regardless of the time of it's (long) day.”
“Think of it like a greenhouse or like a car rather than housing insulation. Short length radiation from the sun is let through and radiated back from the ground as longer wave radiation which is then trapped by the atmosphere. The Greenhouse Effect was first argued for in 1824! In 1917 Alexander Graham Bell himself wrote that the unchecked burning of fossil fuels would lead to an increased effect.”
“I stand by the well understood Milankovitch Cycles... the period we are in is estimated to last another 50,000 years.
It IS true, however, that the sun's output has been decreasing or stable over the last few decades... yet we are getting hotter. Have a look at their arguments. Deniers don't give a stuff about the next ice age Roadrun. They DO think that the sun has been stable or increasing in output. This is a lie that is very dear to them.”
Roadrun on Nov 2, 2013 at 09:52:29
“Data is useless to them anyway. Deniers think cow farts create any warming they will admit to.”
“I stand by the well understood Milankovitch Cycles Cranky... frankly it baffles me that people still keep bringing up the next ice age in regard to climate change because its actually of little significance either way... if you pardon the pun, it's influence is glacial. :)
And, as you can see, there is some dispute over it's influence anyway (even though there really isn't).
It's worth remembering that the climate change deniers come in two flavours Cranks. Those that flat out deny it... and those that say if it is occurring we are not responsible but the sun's increased activity is... this is an outright lie that can be confronted directly with no dispute. The sun itself is cooling (slightly).
Splitting the debate into two different but related parts is another way for them to obfuscate the argument.”
“I do agree with the thrust of what you are saying but one detail.... The processes behind the ice ages etc. are actually really well understood and tied to, as I recall, three 'wobbles' in the Earth's rotation. From what I know we are bang in the middle between ice ages. Or to put it another way, we are a LONG way off any ice age.
(We are lucky we have this large moon to help stabilise the Earth's spin actually.)
It would perhaps be better to mentioned that the climate change deniers often go on about the sun's activity increasing. Well, they are liars. The sun's activity has NOT increased over the last few decades. In fact, over that period, Sol's output has been stable or decreasing!!!”
Roadrun on Nov 1, 2013 at 10:52:12
“We aren't bang in the middle between ice ages. If not for the CO2 we would be entering an ice age, on the down slope into one.”
crankyCrackPot on Oct 30, 2013 at 18:02:34
“There is strong evidence that global climate cycles depend heavily on astronomical factors but they are not the sole arbiters of our climate.
Something as simple as a late spring or early summer massive snowstorm and cold snap keeping the ice around for too long could trigger an ice age also.
Without our intervention, the Earth's should be cooling right now, not warming.”
Ryoushii on Oct 30, 2013 at 13:25:53
“WOW, so what is this secret info you have on ice ages, because my last readings on the subject tell me that that is still not settled science, that is a number of triggers have been discovered, but nobody has figured out exactly how they work with each other to provoke an ice age. From my reading, there are currently as many ideas on the triggering process as there are major scientists working on the problem. Which is more doubt than exists within the scientific community on global warming.”
“Typical GOP. If you're a woman and into politics then great...... as long as you're a reactionary wingnut. Otherwise you then have licence to act like a vulgar schoolboy with the manners of a pig... says a lot.”
“Nope. Palin was a former beauty queen and everybody knew it. She was never criticised for her looks. That was her asset. Apart from being reactionary Palin was ignorant... and everybody knew that... unless you didn't have ears!
Let's hope that the baby elephant is going to be ok, it seems someone cares. And I'm sorry for your losses too, it would suck.
I'm not in the camp that believes their dog thinks they are human btw. On the contrary, I think they are quite aware of their doggy nature, they just don't think it's strange we should be cohabiting.... for them it's just Jim Dandy. :D
Regards from Oz "Down Under",
bswell on Sep 20, 2013 at 16:51:58
“Have to disagree. Some are more doggy than others and others do think they are people.”
I was suggesting the opposite. That not only elephants but ALL mammals possess "human" qualities... That ALL animals possess at least SOME emotions (but I don't know about insects). Reading the article I'm surprised anyone still thinks differently. I know my pooch loves me and our budgie too. :) Birds have something similar to mammals (hence lifetime bonds, parenting etc. if one bird catches another cheating they'll leave the relationship...). I don't think they are "cynical automatons" at all... but beings... driven by feelings... as we are.
Debsvoice on Sep 18, 2013 at 13:29:40
“jemborg: Apparently, "my idiocy" proved true! Regarding your response to my (oh, so rude, self-pitying comments), I obviously misunderstood your initial post. I am surprised you took the time to respond to me. I didn't deserve your kindness. I apologize. Peace to you, too.............Debsvoice”
It is more correct to say they possess ordinary MAMMALIAN qualities.
It will be considered a joke in the future that we failed to grasp the nature of emotions in other animals (including reptiles but not insects imo) and that they farcically even were considered cynical automatons in that regard. e.g. "Your dog doesn't love you it just wants to be fed".”
Debsvoice on Sep 16, 2013 at 06:21:39
“Reading your comments on my "idiocy" regarding animals, I must counter. Elephants possess human qualities, as do I. They possess human emotions: sadness, anger, grief, distress, eagerness, playfulness, as do I. This will prove my stupidity: I loved & respected my 13 year old golden retriever, Mandy, who we adopted at 5 weeks, as much for potential intellect as for sweetness. Stating "she only loved us because we fed her", is both farcical and insulting! As my husband passed away in his sleep 3 years ago, Mandy let out ONE loud, piercing bark. I had to give her a very stern command to "get down" off his hospital bed to allow the EMT's to take him away. No growling, just staring at them with defiant black eyes. The caring, understanding EMTs let her ride in the ambulance with us to the hospital. For many days, she drank a lot of water, eating nothing. We soon found a litttle peace within our devastation. Five months later, Mandy died of cancer. Per your "truth", I only thought she was so incredibly smart because I willed it of her. You assess that there is no mental acuity in animals, they're only cynical automatons.Wrong, untrue! The phrase "cynical automaton" is more applicable to you - self-knowing, but skeptical, which is a far easier path to take. I prefer the more difficult, challenging path in life, filled with endless emotions, from euphoria to despair, and all those in between, just like the elephants.”