“Sad how so many believe that MAN is the measure of all things. People who believe this, also have a God, its just themselves.
You don't know the things you don't know. Some people are ok with that, others are not and MUST come up with a reason for EVERYTHING...even if one can truly never be 100% positive with any evidence.
Blind people see during Near Death Experiences. Children see relatives they have never met that have passed away years before the child was even born...and are able to describe them perfectly. The list goes on and on. The only thing science has been able to prove on this topic is that they can recreate the light and tunnel or feeling like floating out of your body...but there is so much they CAN NOT mimic.
Its harder for some than others to admit that they actually have little to no control over something...and when it comes to death, that is exactly it; something we will all have to face, that no one knows about and that there will be no scientific proof to discredit religious beliefs, nor any religious group that has emfatic information to disprove or prove a theory.
Some people just love to argue...no matter if the arguement will ever have anything to "settle it" while we are alive.”
Maezeppa on May 30, 2012 at 12:26:44
“None of that's true. Blind people don't 'see' during NDEs. Children don't see relatives who predeceased them, and so on. It's just not true.”
Antikytera on May 29, 2012 at 19:37:41
“"You don't know the things you don't know. Some people are ok with that, others are not and MUST come up with a reason for EVERYTHING...even if one can truly never be 100% positive with any evidence."
"Godditit" is not knowledge or opendness, just lazy copying what a culture has told you. An honest "we don't know or can't know" are a much more honest and thought provoking stand. Accepting this also seems to reduce some fears that normaly leaves the brain in a "lizard" state. Leaves an open space of imagination and dreams about a better future with compassionate humans in a sustainable future. And drives many of us to try to unvield the rainbow.
Seems impossible with the hate and fear that some religionists tries to impose on all of us.”
“and when we die, and find out the true answer, those that believed in religious spirituality will be rewarded...those that did not will not.
If there is nothing, then those that believed will be in the same boat as those that did not, into nothingness.
So...those that believe have a much better possible outcome than those that don't.
For science beleivers, its really seems funny that they would put all their eggs in one basket and hope they aren't wrong. Funny, most people have devoted their lives to research and science would tell you to NEVER put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to any scientific principle.”
koyak23 on May 29, 2012 at 14:48:41
“And that is the essence of religious belief...
a crude defense mechanism used to deny the finality of death.
Religionists spend their time figuring out how to go to heaven. Scientists spend their time figuring out how the heavens go...”
WHATHA on May 29, 2012 at 14:47:15
“So the 'religious ' aren't sincere, they're just hedging their bets.. That doesn't fly within the parameters of their ' beliefs ', so why waste the time ? What is truly sad is wasting your entire ride on the merry go round by basing it on some human construct called ' religion '. Like everything else in this universe, you are simply one minuscule iteration of cells and energy formed for a moment in time. Get over yourself, you have the significance of everything and nothing.”
mmsuki on May 29, 2012 at 14:40:49
“How do you know about the "rewards"?
Have you spoken with someone who has died?
And scientists do not "hope they aren't wrong".
Scientists observe, collect data, analyze the data, and come to a conclusion, whether it suits their hypothesis or not.”
“What a sham of a neuroscientist. Any neurologist knows that a brain starved of oxygen will begin to do what these "near-death experienced" people claim and different cultures experience different visions accordingly. Such brain states can be produced artificially. What one feels afterward is not evidence that it occurred. I once had an infection that caused extremely high fevor and I remember feeling like I was floating. My brain was becoming impaired by the fevor and not getting sufficient oxygen. Had I thought it was some mystical experience, I would have died, but I knew that feeling was false and I was physically in trouble and got medical help in time to save my life.”
BeFairNow on May 29, 2012 at 14:27:33
“There is is folks! The finest example of 'Christian science' one could ask for! Okay, now could you please be kind enough to point us to the ones who have had near-death experiences and still do not believe that there is an afterlife? I'd bet you you can't but I would be taking advantage of you if I took your money. Just latching on to the one thing that most closely resembles your position while neglecting to look for or studiously ignoring the ones (probably millions actually) that don't is not the same as finding conclusive proof of something! How could you not know that?! You are on the internet, which is the biggest information resource known to man and you show such unapologetic ignorance? I feel kind of embarrassed for you actually...”
MorpheusXNYC on May 29, 2012 at 14:20:51
“You are proof that some people can never accept the truth.”
schildpad on May 29, 2012 at 14:13:49
“And yet there are many others who disagree.
Saying "a great scientist agrees with me" isn't an argument when you don't really understand the terms of the debate yourself. It's just an appeal to an authority, a sophistic and rather shallow attempt at bolstering your own, non-scientific, position.”
Javalation on May 29, 2012 at 14:10:32
“True, but those guessing at what it is shouldn't try to make their guess the only option.”
“I USE CAPS CAUSE I AM WORKING ON SOMTHING THAT REQUIRES THEM...sorry. Judging someone based on caps or not caps seems very CHILDISH to me...but whatever.
Could people evolve since Genisis?
I am a big science believer, but faith is much harder to accept. Thus why many believe taking the scientific thought process is "the easy way out".
True be told, no one will ever be able to disprove religion, its impossible because its faith based for the most part.
I respect all that believe in science, EXCEPT THOSE THAT MAKE FUN OF RELIGIOUS GROUPS. It becomes personal when that happens which is why religious groups are so defensive and scientific groups come off as jerks a lot of the time. Acceptance is an important part of science, regardless of opinion or what side of the facts you are on. Those who make fun are not truly basing things off of science, but allow opinion to get into the way which anyone involved in science knows destroys the study work.”
“YOU DO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE CAN BE INCORRECT ABOUT THE INFORMATION BUT IT CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE...RIGHT? FOR INSTANCE, WE KNOW THE EARTH IS OLD, YET NOT EXACTLY HOW OLD...SO, DOES IT MEAN ITS NOT TRUE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DIGITS CORRECT? NO.
SAME WITH RELIGION, YOU ASK 20 DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS A QUESTION ABOUT HISTORY AND YOU GET 20 DIFFERENT ANSWERED. DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T A REALITY TO IT, IT JUST MEANS PEOPLE DISAGREE ON THE INFORMATION.
MOST OF THESE ANSWERS ARE RETORICAL, SINCE MANKIND WILL NEVER TRUELY KNOW THE ANSWER...BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT BOTH CAN'T BE A REALITY, EVEN IF MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUND ON BOTH SIDES.”
“EVOLUTION AND RELIGION CAN CO-EXIST. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT A SPECIES CAN EVOLVE YET HAVE NO SPIRITAL BEING...OR VISA VERSA.
IGNORANCE I GUESS...ONE HAS TO BE RIGHT WHILE THE OTHER IS NOT...WHEN IN TRUTH BOTH CAN CO-EXIST AT THE SAME TIME.”
MyAhaMoment on May 29, 2012 at 13:31:00
“and I can't believe that people can believe in an invisible all-knowing and all-powerful being, but not believe in aliens.”
Scotland Dave on May 29, 2012 at 13:14:44
“EVOLUTION AND RELIGION CAN CO-EXIST.
Well, let's start with this question: Do you accept Genesis or evolution?
It depends on how you frame religion; evolution and modern day thinking religionists who accept the scientific view can and do co-exist: science and creationists can't be compatible in any form.
Oh, and no need to use caps, just make you look like a child!”
Arthur Eld on May 29, 2012 at 13:12:30
“Science and religion both make claims about reality. When both make claims about the same thing, science always wins -- therefore only those aspects of religion which are unaccessable for scientific research can co-exist with science.”
stopgeorge on May 29, 2012 at 13:10:39
“Not when the religion believe that Earth was created 6,000 years ago. And not when religion believes that humans magically appeared in a garden.”
do some research...its not the brain shutting down, atheists become Christians once they experience it.
Besides, a smart person wouldn't sell themselves short. Making such a definiative decision and leaving no room to change that view isn't very smart. A smart individual wouldn't be so arrogant to say they know everything about something none of us can be 100% on.
If you commit to that there is no god, and there ends up being one...then what? But if you keep a somewhat less arrogant ego view and accept that we may not have all the answers, you keep the door open "just in case". That would seem like the more responsible response, not selling the farm on something no one really knows the answer on.”
Finnegans Wake on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:34:50
What's that have to do with evolution?”
DrLogic on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:33:54
“What you term "the more responsible response," I term the far more intellectually dishonest response.
You're essentially stating Pascal's wager and it's logically flawed.
You'll gain some credibility on your position when you accuse the faithful of "being so arrogant to say they know everything about something none of us can be 100% on."”
El Superbeasto on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:33:30
“So I should hate gays "just in case"?”
cjk002 on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:30:22
“Living a life of intellectual dishonesty isn't worth it.
And please, stop pretending you know what all Atheists think or do, because you don't.”
Droekie on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:29:27
“"If you commit to that there is no god, and there ends up being one...then what?"
thats a two way street but me suggesting it will always have me being labeled pagan.'
hp blogger Shan Wells on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:28:39
“You're arguing a different point. We know without doubt that evolution by natural selection is the driving mechanism of life's various manifestations. If you want to believe in a god or gods, fine, but this is beside the point of evolution's veracity.”
yeaobama on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:28:37
“THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WILLIAM JAMES SAID!!!
JAMES WAS THE FIRST PHILOSOPHER TO ASK:
"WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE".”
blindhammer on Dec 20, 2010 at 13:26:39
“Again. One can believe in the existence of something greater and not believe in God.”
“i believe in adaptation but not evolution. Of course I am a Christian so that would present a problem in my believing fully in evolution.
Darwin shared the same thinking: "“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”
Scientests just make crap up as they go...thus why Darwin was completely misunderstood when he said humans and apes had a like ancestor...but people immediately turned that into "we came from apes".
even darwin didn't know if the new biology was more of a science or faith study:
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?"
non christians seem to just run with whatever fits their agenda when it comes to creation...yet none, including science or faith seems to have an absolute answer...hmmm...wonder why? Science is, in theory, suppose to be absolute...thus why its a series of proofs.
By the way, one of my favorite quotes of all time comes from Darwin:
“A man's friendships are one of the best measures of his worth”.”
GabeSmall on Aug 24, 2010 at 15:30:45
“"Science is, in theory, suppose to be absolute...thus why its a series of proofs."
Nope. Science is an evidence-gathering tool, an iterative method for bringing us ever closer to an accurate narrative about nature.
Faith is supposed to be absolute. Science, never. Science, in theory, is supposed to be always tentative. Science treats things as fact only so long as no repeatable evidence comes along to contradict it.
Science is not (like math) a series of proofs. It's a series of observations, experiments, and reasoning, building towards a preponderance of evidence that supports or refutes an explanation about nature. Uncertainty is built in to science. In fact, that's its greatest strength.”
“then why bother even posting? or reading the story? why not just "pass it by".....????”
BeasleysMom on Aug 1, 2010 at 14:53:32
“I think it is always nice to see two beautiful, healthy, smart and happy young people embark on a life together. You must a least be curious or envious or? after opening the article and making a comment. Those who don't care about a topic, scroll on by.”
Feesister on Aug 1, 2010 at 14:51:12
“YOU are here...”
Mrs Putrid Festring on Aug 1, 2010 at 14:49:11
“I guess you do. Otherwise you wouldn't have made it this far down the page. (bowl of milk, party of one)”
“wonder what will be made of this attempt once the american people find out that the current health care reform plan does not work.
Many doctors I know say it isn't a workable plan...but whatever. I guess we will find out. Lets just hope it wasn't; rushed out to show that the admin was doing something.”
mattvonn0579 on Jul 15, 2010 at 20:16:19
“They said the same thing about medicare.”
VikingQuest on Jul 15, 2010 at 19:47:14
“What will happen first will be when the Feds expand Medicaid massively, the states will be on the hook for billions more since they will have to kick in after the first couple years and doctors will stop accepting the new Medicaid patients . . . who will end up in the emergency room for primary care.”
“I think we could solve the energy crisis if we just took all of motorized vehicles that use gasoline, and oil, away from the liberals. We could save enough oil to curtail all imports, and probably have a surplus thereby reducing the need for new drilling. Sounds like a plan to me.”
“well, that is a fail of the media if we don't get the whole story we are reading on news sites. That is the responsibility of the media outlet. Unfortunately, people base their opinions on the info provided, even if it isn't everything to the story.
post the entire story and you will get a better knee jerk reaction.”
problem is crying wolf. cases like this which have nothing to do with race yet Jesse Jackson tries to make them about race make us all desensitized to REAL issues of racism.
So quick to play the race card...”
AncientPollyanna on Jul 11, 2010 at 22:07:44
“Exactly. I don't think Lebron's issue is race based. I think Mr. Jackson just saw a way to make this about himself.”
shevas01 on Jul 11, 2010 at 21:50:11
“I don't really think that was the point Jesse was making. His analogy fits more along the lines that the owner of the CAVS acted as if he owned Lebron and that Lebron owed his allegiance to the team and the state. At the end of the day Lebron fulfilled his contract and moved on to what he believed was a better opportunity (I disagree should have come to my hometown of Chicago) but it was his decision to make. The owner showed that if anyone was selfish or a coward that it was him....and not Lebron.”
dct1999 on Jul 11, 2010 at 21:46:33
“Race is a factor. Your denial is typical.”
Adam2179502 on Jul 11, 2010 at 21:42:14
“LMAO@ civil rights leaders who only get involved when someone is rich or they can get tv time.”
“no one is up in arms about his decision to go to Miami, its how he did it. it was 100% classless, arrogant and disrespectful to every owner and their business endeavor. It was irresponsible and very unprofessional and that is what all the backlash is targeting.
This isn't LBJ first issue with handling something incorrectly, so those that have followed him in the sport know this isn't his first time to make something about him into a spectacle. This time, he did it in a way that disrespected several business men with a lot of pull and 2 major cities (NY and CHI) and Cleveland. Not smart, but again, LBJ apparently thinks he is above all that.”
how about the cavs owner is running a business and the players was his employee and completely disrespected the owner in how he ended up revealing his decision.
Its always about color, instead of manning up, taking responsibility for actions you take, even if the fall out is negative.”
bustitbaby on Jul 11, 2010 at 21:07:16
“As of 12:01 7/1/10, LeBron James was not the employee of Dan Gilbert. In fact, the moment the Cavs were out of the playoffs, LeBron was not the employee of Dan Gilbert, so LeBron didn't have any obligation to him.”
“they rushed out a crap legislation to make it look like they were doing something. I have talked to several doctors and several people on the administration side of insurance and all say there is no way this current legislation will work.
Its sad that they are playing with people's medical situation by stringing them along to think all will be fixed when nothing is happening. The end result will be disappointment. It will be very sad when the american people see how horrible this "reform" actually is and how the rest of us end up paying for it via corporate insurance hikes passed on to the employees.
this HCR falls under one of his "fulfilled promises"...sad since it isn't even close to workable at this point.”
daisy111 on Jun 28, 2010 at 18:33:19
“I will always remember that Obama, Pelosi, and Reid ruined our health care forever.”
jrfromdallas on Jun 28, 2010 at 17:38:49
“Agreed with everything you said. The sad part about this is that doctors that have worked their way up to open their own practice have had to sell their practices to hospitals because they fear they will not be able to afford the insurance/medicare pay backs. Now these practices are gone forever and those doctor/patient relationships are gone forever as well. So much for keeping your doctor if you like them.”
The only fault Obama has is he said too much to get elected. He set the bar way high and as he finds out things are way harder than he imagined, he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself with each MAJOR campaign promise that he doesn't take cradle to grave. Many of his campaign winning "take that to the bank" type quotes that he has done something on, are not complete (yet counted in his "kept a promise" statistics posted on here regularly). His health care bill is a perfect example. Its not finished. Its not a very good working plan, in part because it was rushed out in order to show progress was happening. It has A LOT of flaws and the American people know it.
He can pull out of this, but he is going to have to piss some people off and go for the gusto on a few issues. He is going to have to go against the lobbyists and campaign check writers to get it done too. Hopefully his charisma and his ability to be a different president can turn things around. If the media stays with him...he will have every opportunity to make change. If the media turns on him, his presidency is over in my opinion. Good thing some of them are in his pocket too.”
nice2blucky on Jun 28, 2010 at 03:46:41
“Your faults appear to be blindness, delusion, and lack of insight.”
CH0001 on Jun 28, 2010 at 03:46:19
“"The only fault Obama has is he said too much to get elected."
“If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor.
If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Afghan border illegally, you get shot.
If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you will be jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from again.
If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy and your fate will be sealed.
If you cross the Cuban Border illegally you will be thrown into a political prison to rot.
If you cross the U.S. border illegally you get:
* A job
* A drivers license
* A social security card
* Food Stamps
* Credit Cards
* Subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house
* Free education
* Free health care
* A lobbyist in Washington
* Billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language
* The right to carry your country’s flag while you protest that you don’t get enough respect
“The chinese govt will fine you everyday you stay beyond the expiration of your visa. You may experience jail time. However you will not vanish off the face of the earth.
Your comparison to some of the countries that you posted is laughable since the human rights records of North Korea and Saudi Arabia ( their treatment of women) is horrendous .
You are simply comparing 1 apple to 7 oranges.
Tim in Tucson on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:57:57
The right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't get enough respect. Exactly! That is a protected right under our Constitution (Free Speech, Nimrod”
Tim in Tucson on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:57:25
“A job...Yes, thank our business community for that. Oh, and don't forget the Chamber of Commerce.
A drivers license. Which states? Yes, I know of a few, like North Carolina. So where's the local outrage?
Social Security. You're going to have to prove this one to me. You are saying that the Feds will just allow anyone to get an SS card without any documentation. Again, Bovine Feces!
Food Stamps: See Social Security above. Jesus, you make things up!
Credit cards. Don't you love our banks? Viva the free market!
Subsidized rent. See social Security above.
Mortgage. Again, don't you love our Too Big To Fail banks?
Free education. That's how we keep America smart, strong and competitive Nimrod! But we don't make teachers enforce immigration laws, because we want them to focus on teaching.
Free health care. Only emergency care, Nimrod. That is an internationally recognized human right. You do care about human rights, don't you?
A lobbyist in Washington. What's new? There's at least one lobbyist for every side of every argument. What's your point?
Billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in Spanish. That's to aid the legals in our country who have yet to learn English. English is one of the most difficult languages in the World to master. I should know, as I am learning Russian and helping Russians learn English. It isn't easy.”
Tim in Tucson on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:56:05
“Point by point rebuttal:
North Korea: Most hated state in the World.
Iran: Second most hated state in the World.
Afghanistan: Is it really a state in the modern sense? Even so, they don't have a stable governent.
Saudi Arabia: Well known for their human rights! Good example!
China: State your source? Besides, once again, a state well known for human rights violations.
Venezuela: Bovine feces! You made this one up! But again, not a state know for human rights.
Cuba: Are you serious? I'm waiting for you to list a first-World country, So far, nothing...
hrpmap on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:43:26
libby libby on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:39:31
“How is this post abusive??.....please HP syscophants....get real!!!!!”
bryanzth on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:39:10
“It's been that way for hundreds of years. Since 1492, in fact, that Europeans have been coming here illegally. It is only recently that these illegal European immigrants (who never go American visitor visas from the native citizens) started demanding that the native citizens show travel visas in their very own lands. Of course, this was done in a clever and surreptitious way, so that the native citizens never caught on, until it was too late.
Uh huh. You see, Arizonan Birchers deny any history that is not reported in Faux Noise. Anything before 1996 (or before Reagan), they don't know or care to know.
Feenicks007 on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:32:06
“Do you want us to emulate North Korea, Iran, China, Venezuela, or Afghanistan? How about you get payed what they do, live like you were born there, and we'll adopt their immigration policies for you.”
raleigh1997 on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:30:31
Path to citizenship
Pay a fine.”
FatFeline on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:29:28
Acert on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:27:17
“Firstly, you don't get any of those things for coming to the US illegally. Secondly, I don't see why you imply that North Korea and Iran are countries we should emulate.”
“i wonder if you would say the same thing if he wasn't a republican.
a politician should be judged on his record not by his political affiliation.
I would respect the dem party more if they were able to admit dem faults as quickly as they are to point out republican faults. I am of neither party because I don't want to be a part of groups that argue over semantics while nothing is done to resolve the issues.”
FYLTHPIG on Jun 27, 2010 at 23:26:39
“The both messed up the democrats tried being tough at first. But gave up even after making major compromises didn't go through his veto pen. They just kept cutting, it was already in deficit when he came in office. He just made it way worse and not exactly sure
why he was such a hard line, beyond rationality.
And now the state workers, and cops, and firemen are losing out big time.”
“but the white house would have us believe that the recession is almost over...
...what numbers are they looking at?”
Pandaforum on Jun 28, 2010 at 02:55:29
“The difficulty the States face are three fold. unfunded liabilities from governement employees, federal mandates that forces states to use resources against their better judgment and reduced tax base. Ofdf course the recession is not almost over. fdr proved that government intervention only porolongs the event. europe, russia, and asia all recovered faster than America. like fdr, obama isn't interested in solving out financial problems, it is to expand dem control of the levers of government.”