“Holy Smokes! I may have just found a candidate I can get behind, here I thought it was going to be Hillary. I have not paid much attention, but this woman speaks in concepts and theories way beyond tidy sound-bites. It tells me that she gets the big picture.
Could it be she would not be behold to a corporate master?”
“Your self righteousness is palpable. First, thank you for your service. Secondly, I never said it was appropriate. My overall issue is that you nor anyone else gets to decide what is appropriate or not. You cant have it both ways, defending my right to an opinion while also condemning it. Where and what is enough? No jokes whatsoever because it could possibly offend someone? THAT is my issue. Make a joke, the context is that it is a joke. Right, wrong, the intent, even if offensive is as a joke. It is part of the context, right-wrong-offensive or not.
I am not a mysogenist, regardless of what you think. You don't know me, but you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how offensive I find it.”
“Lori, please, spare me the weak attempt to shame me for my words. I did not "rush in" to anything, and I stand by what I said, if you don't like the fact that sometimes people make crude jokes that might offend a few people, if your tender sensibilities cannot handle that, maybe you should stay inside your padded room.”
“I honestly thought President Obama was going to be a great President, I think history will view him as simply a good President. I imagine a lot will have to do with how the ACA evolves in the years to come.”
Jonathan L Wright on May 30, 2014 at 12:28:59
“Agreed. I do hope that ACA will be successful, it is needed. It, like all major new programs, will need some fine tuning as we recognize the areas that need attention. There needs to be some patience. Me...I have Medicare and Medicaid, the product of being a survivor in life I guess. Thank you for your comment.”
“No. Because you think that joking about domestic violence is funny and appropriate. It is all fun and games until someone you know and love has become the victim of domestic violence.
Just wait until you have to look at a baby, toddler, or child and know that they have lost both Mom and Dad to domestic violence because Dad killed Mom.
I know people who have been murdered trying to leave their abusive partner and have left behind infants and small children.
I have even worked at a domestic violence division at a metro police department.
Domestic violence is no laughing matter. Perhaps the young lady came off as harsh, and I don't even know if that is true. Maybe she too knew someone that has fallen victim to domestic violence.
Misogeny is real as you have grossly demonstrated.
You are entitled to your opinion. That is what I put my uniform on for over 13 years to defend. Just like I am entitled to mine and mine is that you have know sense and are to be pitied. I pray you do not have a wife and daughters.
If you do have daughters and someone goes upside their head, remember you were the one defending the jokes regarding domestic violence.
I will just continue to defend the Constitution of the United States.”
“But don't you remember, he is going to take your guns!!! Love how you guys have no problem with all the check writing that went on when the 2 wars started by Bush were happening, keeping 'merica safe. Please.”
“I am so sorry to hear that you have had to endure domestic violence, but I am proud that you have moved beyond it to the point where it does not define who you are. Thank you for your opinion, in essence that is the point I was trying to make. It isn't up to the rest of the world to adapt every aspect as to be sensitive as to what might have transpired in someone's life. As consumers we have the right to take our business elsewhere, it was a JOKE or a PUN, acting as though it somehow legitimized the act of domestic violence can only happen by taking it completely out of context. I agree wholeheartedly with how you would respond, I would roll my eyes, or otherwise try to move past it if it offended me personally, and if I could not find a way to deal with it, I would leave. That is my choice. Taking it to this level indicates to me that someone needs some attention, otherwise they would not be "reliving" their past that was offended them so by putting this out there for daily consumption. They took something small, and made it into something large, kind of counter to the point of all those that want to make this out to be some type of traumatizing occurrence.”
“Fair enough. My perception, after reading most of his life story, or whatever it was called was that he definitely had intellectual capacity. He seemed very entitled, self-absorbed, he articulated well, but was prone to almost an effeminate tone. He was very concerned with being cool, but never went so far as to attach that concept to his personality--as though if he could make himself shiny enough, people would like him. Upon rejection, he would not learn or adapt, he just made a mental note and eventually became such a loner that "everyone was against him". He did this to himself, and lashed out at the world for not bowing down to his greatness, nor accepting him. I never got the sense that he ever thought or cared for what others thought or wanted, only himself.”
stillbarbi on May 28, 2014 at 18:01:49
“That sounds about right. However, when I read about Aspergers it helped me to understand why he acted the way he did, and led such an isolated, lonely life.”
“True or not it bothers me that every time something like this happens we reach to attach something to diagnose or legitimize his problem. He never took responsibility for himself, and seemed to be keeping score of whatever slight he perceived. He obviously was very functional as a human.”
stillbarbi on May 28, 2014 at 16:13:54
“I'm not trying to legitimize what he did, just trying to understand why.”
“I have no argument with your statement, but making this the poster child on the internet for domestic violence is silly--and that would be my point. You post something like this in your bar, and you may lose some patrons. That is the responsibility that should be assessed for this given situation, not making some sort of public big deal out of it.”
FriscoDem on May 28, 2014 at 14:49:32
“It is not just this story. We hear stuff like this even out of elected officials who feel the need that just because you have the freedom to say and do stuff you can without repercussions. This specific incident was escalated by the manager who singled out the woman who posted the picture.”
“I think my post got scrubbed, I agree wholeheartedly. Rodgers was very self-absorbed, and never made an honest effort to adapt. He expected people to accept them when he finally decided he wanted them to, but he had isolated himself enough to make that transition difficult. He failed himself, and blamed everyone else.”
stillbarbi on May 28, 2014 at 14:57:00
“I don't know if you've heard this, but it has been reported he was diagnosed with Aspergers as a child, which is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal communication, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. That might explain why he seemed unable to look at what he perceived as rejection from anyone else's perspective.”
“Desa, Dana, tomato, Tomah-to. Isn't that how I am supposed to be, you know, treating all of you women folk with indifference because of "how I am"? Maybe you will pick up a fan or 2 before you decide you can't handle things around here. Happy I can prove a point to you.”
“It's tiresome Mike, if I am being honest about it. I suppose I am quietly passionate about the subject, it bothers me greatly that people cant even think beyond their own belief's or perceptions. For me it is as simple as questioning the intent. Was the purpose to offend? No. If you get offended by it, at that point it is up to you to make a personal choice about your response--it is NOT up to everyone else to sanitize things down just because someone may not like it. I strongly support women's rights and think abuse in any form is a terrible thing, but this isn't even about that, unless you choose to make it. People should be allowed the freedom to express themselves in whatever way they see fit, and if your response it to not patronize their place of business, so be it. But to draw attention to it and attach a cause to it really bothers me. It really isn't about the bar, it becomes a cause about the individual who made an issue of it. clap. clap. clap. for them. Maybe they should go to a more "corporatey" bar, you know Chili's or Applebee's I am sure you would not see a sign like that there. OH, but you like the folksy charm of the local place? Well it might just have a crude sense of humor.”
cclawnj on May 28, 2014 at 12:19:35
“I like your thinking, Mark, especially "But to draw...clap for them." I never quite thought of it that way and I'm convinced you're right.”