“I admit there are bad actors out there. I didn't mean to imply that "it is all fabricated". I only question the real motives of the activists. There are lots of reasons people are not allowed onto farms with the most terrifying being bioterrorism.”
fedupinMA on Mar 2, 2012 at 16:38:26
“Bio-terrorism? You can do better than that. The motive is to expose animal cruelty, nothing more. People don't realize how animals are raised for food these days. I didn't know until two years ago, and when I found out I stopped eating animals. It's called empathy. The industry doesn't want people to know how the animals are raised because most people are compassionate and would disapprove. More and more people are adopting a plant based diet due to social networking exposing these dreadful facilities. That's why they want to silence us.”
“Imagine someone sneaking onto your farm, inciting employees to abuse animals (this has been documented), selectively editing the video, posting it on the internet at the most politically convenient time (if you really wanted to stop animal abuse, wouldn't you take action immediately?), then saying this is how it's done on all farms. There's work to do out there but hidden video tactics are not the answer.”
nomadrdw on Mar 3, 2012 at 13:01:12
“i do notice that you failed to include any "documentation" to back up these claims.
just rumor with out proof you know. that is why these people film what is happening.”
cliveklg on Mar 2, 2012 at 16:13:29
“Documented where? Care to provide support for that claim?”
fedupinMA on Mar 2, 2012 at 14:45:06
“The undercover investigators literally risk their lives to document the cruelty that goes on behind closed doors. If it is all fabricated how come no one is allowed in these facilities? Why don't they grant tours to class rooms so the kids can learn where their food comes from? Try and enter a factory farm and you could get shot in the process. There's a reason you don't see any animals on these "farms". All you see are the huge, dark buildings where the animals are confined for life. They are no better than concentration camps.”
“Bajed, come to town and I'll host. Burlington should be at the head of the list, Magic hat isn't even the best beer in town. Switchback, Vt. Pub and Brewery, American Flatbread, Three Needs. That's just in a couple of square blocks. Then there's the Alchemist, the Shed ....”
bajed on Aug 31, 2010 at 22:06:52
“Sounds good! I see it is near Lake Champlain. What else is there to do there? Looks like Fort Ticonderoga is close by too. Seafood good there?”
Jul 30, 2010 at 14:15:38
“Please supply your facts and science and we'll see who is being manipulated. I'm no lover of Monsanto. I read the real science, use my experience and medical judgement and make my own decisions. Of course BST has effects just not the fear mongering frankenfood effects people like Dr. Epstein would have you believe. Do you really understand how this stuff works? I do. My comments are not realated to Monsanto's role in food production - that's an issue for a whole different discussion - only the facts as related to animal health.”
aiscoconut on Jul 30, 2010 at 19:42:57
“Quite Frankly I could care LESS about the animal's health. I care about my health and my childs health and I have to say that we are a LOT healthier since being off of dairy. I never realized how dairy messed me up until I stopped using it. When you think about it, it makes pefect sense. Women lactate for a given amount of time and then the milk dries up because their human offspring no longer requires the nutrients. We as human beings are not supposed to have a cows milk we are to have a humans milk and only for a certain number of months.
There's NO way that all the hormones and crap that we give the animals we eat could be good for them or us. Kids are developing faster and there's more cancer than at any point in history..that's not by accident.”
Whatevah on Jul 30, 2010 at 15:00:55
“Thanks. I am continually astonished at the kind of prejudicial nonsense imported by people with no knowledge of this business.
In addition, it shocks me that posters like ddanimal - who admit to being totally uninformed on this issue - feel so willing to make such insulting comments about folks who know so much more that him/her.
It's like discussing oral sex techniques with a virgin. Can I express my lack of interest in talking with people who are clueless?”
tw44 on Jul 30, 2010 at 14:55:21
“Ok, my last comment didn't make it so I have to make it nicer. I love your superiority in your comments. Monsanto DOES have a role in food production. Don't you even know that they are the manufacturer of rBGH? How can you talk about science and facts when you don't appear to know this fact. It certainly has merit in this discussion.”
Whatevah on Jul 30, 2010 at 14:39:47
Klop, I can't sufficiently express my appreciation for seeing comments from someone who actually does this for a living. I am appalled at the kind of crazy nonsense posted by fat, pampered westerners who would starve immediately if they were ever required to produce their own food.
I read that one percent of Americans produce the food that sustains the other 99 percent. My feeling is that this is a guaranteed formula for ignorance and bigotry.”
Jul 30, 2010 at 12:18:20
“It's about money? Gee, what a shocker. Maybe you are independently wealthy but my farmers (all family farmers, by the way) are in business, and like any business, that means they have to make money. Why do people think farmers should be in it just for some pastoral ethic? An old saying: farming as a way of life makes for a poor business, but farming as a business makes for a great way of life.”
tw44 on Jul 30, 2010 at 13:52:42
“Hello. You are the one who made the claim that your farmers love their cows, not me. You insinuate in this comment that that is their only motivation, not me. You set yourself up for that one, not me.”
tw44 on Jul 30, 2010 at 13:28:57
“Hey, you are the one who made the comment about your farmers loving their cows, not me. You set yourself up for that one.”
Jul 30, 2010 at 11:30:37
“This is, to use a dairy friendly term, bullshit. Multiple studies over many years have proven that cows that are injected with BST have NO increased rate of udder infections and are as healthy as cows that have not been injected. NO milk contains antibiotics - there is no more thouroughly tested food. IGF 1 is present in human breast milk and saliva. Are you going to quit kissing your loved one? There may be reasons BST should not be used in cows but animal health and food safety are not among them. I am a veterinarian in private dairy practice. I have no interest in the product and am as sceptical of agribusiness as the rest of you but am tired of this misleading info. My farmers love their cows - why would they do something to hurt them or make their milk less healthy? BST had been used in our area for years with no ill effects on the cows. It is no longer used as public pressure on buying coops forced it's removal from the market.”
ddanimal on Jul 30, 2010 at 13:48:25
“So, you really believe that massive increases in hormone levels in cows will have absolutely no effects on the cow or milk that is produced? This is contrary to the facts and science that has been done, even the manipulated corporate science done by Monsanto.
You are clueless.”
ddanimal on Jul 30, 2010 at 13:42:38
“you state---"My farmers love their cows - why would they do something to hurt them or make their milk less healthy?"
You are naive. Because they make more money, and because they dont get any more money for producing "healthier" milk.
You are a fool for believing the Monsanto propaganda.”
Neutralino on Jul 30, 2010 at 12:38:47
“I feel your pain.
Klop, this is what happens when 99 percent of a society eats food produced by the other 1 percent. The anti-farmer prejudices that are so common today would not exist if more of the fat, pampered westerners with no experience (but lots of opinions) had to spend a year or two trying to put their dumb ideas into practice.
zymos on Jul 30, 2010 at 12:19:54
“I'm sure some farmers "love their cows", but there is no way in the world that you can drive through El Paso, for just one example, and see 1000's of cows crammed into a giant manure pit with no shade, and tell me that THEY "love their cows"!”
tw44 on Jul 30, 2010 at 11:58:14
“"Your" farmers are a part of the dairy industry who have governmental standards they must adhere to. Simply put, it's about money. Did I REALLY need to tell you that?”
“Who hasn't heard of these parks? Acadia is the 2nd most visited park in he country and when I visited Arches it was filled with RV's and people were tramping everywhere. I prefer wilderness areas and national forests.”
Montgriz on Aug 5, 2009 at 03:39:53
“There is nothing, not even Glacier Park, that can come close to the California Redwoods State Park....if anyone truly wants to be awed by nature, the giant trees in the northwest of California are beyond belief...To this day, I wonder how people could have been so greedy and misguided to cut even one of these magnificent trees down....The Giant Sequoias in Yosemite are ok, but the giant redwoods almost make you believe in god....almost...”