“I totally agree. Not participating in religion is automatically seen as antagonistic by a great many religious believers living as a majority in culture. If my child has an friend he talks to that I can't see or hear, who am I to decide whether his friend is real or not? However, when my child begins writing inspired scripture and deciding his friend is in charge of me and that his friend's rules should be made law, then it's time for that time trusted Golden Rule to kick in, and there's no exception to the rule for my child's friend.”
“Because when the religious treat others different from themselves, they say it's "God" making the difference and not them. That's what I notice. God is probably in the top ten excuses people give for harming others. Ironic.”
“It's a reaction in solidarity and it has nothing to do with trying to appear better than. People don't gather around the notion of nonbelief in flying elephants because they aren't affected by flying elephant believers. There's nothing wrong with deliberately seeking kindred spirits in a society where your lack of belief is a minority. Your projection is pretty silly.”
Moha Rishi on Dec 1, 2013 at 11:26:38
“I never said there's anything wrong with seeking kindred spirits. And you're completely right. It exists as a reaction to something else.”
“So, they aren't told what to believe but what beliefs are true, is that it?
Do you have any evidence for this mysterious "peace" only Catholics are experiences because it kind of comes across as more of that belief stuff you are told is true but aren't told to believe.
If an atheist told you that they knew the truth and it would give you peace like no peace you've experienced before, would you find that convincing?”
Tibor Spagina on Nov 27, 2013 at 21:38:41
“Of course, God says, "the fool says in his heart, there is no God", so I would not find that convincing, but I would think about it as an outright lie. The reason: Christ in person is the Truth, and His peace is different from that of the world. By the way, I have never said, that other Christians, believing Christ in their heart and confessing Him, cannot have similar experiences to ours. The difference between us is that, only we have the fullness of faith, our Church being the only one established by the Lord.”
“You are comparing beer to the "blood of Christ" now? Are you trying to say you think someone was coming up with an excuse to take mass away? I would agree, although probably not with your idea of who was making excuses.”
“How do I come across as "bruised" by pointing out that you aren't familiar with athiests? Are you not paganbecause you are insecure? I assure you, insecurity has little to do with me not believing in your religion, just as it has little to do with my disbelief in nonchristian religions.
"Also, atheists are merely self-annointed by their own made-up title, but actually know Creator God exists, but reject Him."
I didn't make up the title athiest, and no, I do not know that "Creator God" exists, and have rejected your god no more or less than I've rejected Zeus. Do you know that Zeus exists, but reject Him? My feelings on both of them are pretty much the same, although I really appreciate the Zeus followers staying out of Congress.
I did believe your god existed because I believed what people told me was true as a child, and I spent a lot of time having a relationship with this god people told me was true, but, no, I didn't find your god, so now you know this was unfulfilled, and please spare me the scapegoating on the evidence. I suspect a lot of poor excuses amount to this claim of "unfulfilled" evidence. How would you know what my seeking was? You don't and claiming otherwise only shows your desperation.
Yes, I have accomplished a lot for myself. Thank you for coming to acknowledge that, and I hope you continue to see that truth about other atheists, as well.”
David777James on Nov 28, 2013 at 10:14:15
“<How would you know what my seeking was? You don't and claiming otherwise only shows your desperation. >I believe the Bible to be God-inspired writings, and that the books therein are inerrant. As such, I claim Scripture as absolute truth, including Romans 1st chapter, that states all men know God exists, "even the eternal Godhead", so they "are without excuse" for rejecting Him.
That's why I claim to know you have not sought God, since you sound very angry with Him. Maybe man's religion(s) antagonized you against God. This is common, but a true seeker ALWAYS finds God.
God will not dump information in your lap if you don't seek it.
Believing God exists is NOT believing the Gospel that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised the third day. It is THE Gospel that saves. Then following that basic saving faith up with studying the word is what builds one up.
Anyway, best of luck in your human quest to "accomplish a lot" of whatever, which has no meaning upon death.
I hope you some day seek the Lord God Creator who is Jesus Christ, who created your invisible mind, with which you have rejected Him, and which is your only condemnation, rather than any personal sins as man's religions often teach, and contrary to religions' claims that "do-goodism" is the way to attain eternal life.”
“If I had to choose, I believe that Mary would be aligned with Clare's on the matter, that nuns should be dressed plainly, unassumingly, without drawing attention to themselves and in the manner of the culture in which they live so as not to stand out.
I'm guessing you haven't figured out how habits went from being as I state above to being such that nuns often stand out now in habits that have not evolved? Can't you see that by not changing the habits with the manner of attire as it changed in cultures through time actually hindered the original intent of habits?
Something to think about, Friend. This nun does not serve the tradition when tradition does not serve God, but a contrasting tradition in alignment with her service to God. She should be praised for that by adherents in her religion and not mocked for it.”
Cro Magnon on Nov 27, 2013 at 15:45:46
“Virgin souls are who they strive to be and one's commitment and association in striving to achieve this ideal during one's time in materiality, in terms of both dress, is laudable and appropriate for those of the Catholic faith and veneration of the Holy Mother, Mary.”
“How would it "clearly" be that I have no idea of what is happening in the Catholic Church. I'm pretty sure I know a lot more than the majority of those who call themselves Catholic.
It's not a foolish idea that members are not educated. The Catholic Church unabashedly teaches not to educate yourself on theological matters by any teachings other than those sanctioned by the Catholic Church. It's also not a foolish idea that you are told what to believe? Really, you are going to claim that you haven't been told what to believe? Seriously? Please, I want you to tell me again that you are not told what to believe.
The Lord and we know it better? How's that? From all that unbiased knowledge you were privy to and not being told what to believe?
I'm glad for you if you are happy and I'm glad for you if you have peace but I'm pretty sure happiness and peace are experienced by many people around the world belonging to many different religions, or can you show otherwise?”
Tibor Spagina on Nov 27, 2013 at 18:46:33
“People in the Catholic Church are not told, what to believe, rather, the believers are there to hear more about the only truth, Christ in person - a big difference. As far as, experiencing peace, we talk about two different things. Christ the Lord says, “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. It is not as the world gives that I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, and do not let it be afraid.” (John 14:27)”
“Did religion "scare" you away from believing in Horus? Was it the leaders who ruined your ability to believe in Hercules? Did they close your mind to the teachings of Buddha? Have they closed your heart to the truth Krishna revealed?
Are you a believer in all the worshiped gods of history or are you really no different from an atheist who believes in one less than you?”
Omnistmovementlady on Nov 29, 2013 at 11:42:16
“I believe that Vishnu, Buddha's "divine spark within, Allah, God, YHWH are all and have been in reference to the same unifying force within us all. People did not know how to describe this one source of all knowledge, all sentience, all creation within the "Omniverse" that each of these ideas refer to as the ALL....the beginning and the end of all creation.
I believe that some of the humanlike deities written about in ancient civilizations very much could have been aliens visiting. Any deities with specific traits, physical characteristics or abilities either came from shared folklore, or we have been visited from outside our universe. The Vedas talk about an intergalactic race visiting earth and becoming "gods" to the humans who worshiped them. That's a 5,000 year old text, so who knows what our ancient civilizations have seen back in the beginning days of mankind. Native Americas talk about "star people" who helped create the earth people. There is evidence of these minor gods all over the world, but for the supreme Creator...no religion has ever been able to describe because it encompasses everything and is too great or too big to describe specifically. "We are made in God's image" is not very specific and you have to question what did they mean by the word image before camera's were invented...could it mean a thought projected by the ultimate Creator? Who knows, but this is how I personally see the distinction between deities and the ONE God.”
“I see all things as good in the broader perspective, or ultimately. I believe, based upon my examination of reality as I perceive it, that humans experience an objective reality with a perception that is relative. Wondering how anything can become seen as separate is an excellent bit of interest. Think about it...every human born is experiencing life from a unique vantage point and is unable to ever experience anything from any other person's direct perspective. Do you think that was an accident? I suspect it is like that for a reason and I offer you that as a profound example of separateness.”
“Continued...I see all things as good in the broader perspective, or ultimately. I believe, based upon my examination of reality as I perceive it, that humans experience an objective reality with a perception that is relative. Wondering how anything can become seen as separate is an excellent bit of interest. Think about it...every human born is experiencing life from a unique vantage point and is unable to ever experience anything from any other person's direct perspective. Do you think that was an accident? I suspect it is like that for a reason and I offer you that as a profound example of separateness.”
“"The first to be recognized, in history, for his advocacy of human misery as unnecessary."
Are you unfamiliar with the teachings of Judaism, Buddha, Horus, Socrates, Jainism, Confucius, Romulus, Lao-Tzu, Krishna, Zoroaster? Their history all pre-dates Jesus, Friend, not that his turning over the temples isn't an admirable story.”
VikI Winter on Dec 3, 2013 at 03:36:57
“I'm not familiar with all you named. Thank you for telling me. It was my only reference to the money changers that permeate our society and for which I abhor.”
“Sadly, it is my opinion that most of your comments are neither fact or your opinion, but rather the re-hashed opinions of those you have allowed to govern your conscience. And that, Sir, is indeed a fact!”
Tibor Spagina on Nov 20, 2013 at 21:49:51
“You certainly sound like one with great experience in that fact.”