“Right, but my employer plan sucks... It's not fair that my employer may keep the private plan that I don't want.”
jonahjames on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:39:26
“Obama was pretty clear that he's trying to create a menu of options to choose from if you don't like your current plan. If your employer plan sucks like you said then you'll have a lot of other affordable options with the likelihood that you'll find something you like better.”
Eykis on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:35:52
“If your employer provides a crappy plan you can bet that you will be advised the company is moving to the public option. Any employers who are truly unhappy about paying for healthcare will go to the public option. Looks to me like you are in luck~”
Lavafalls on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:35:03
“Republican response, get another job!
Dem response, start supporting single payer so we all save money and get real healthcare.”
“If our current option is bad why is Obama letting our employers keep the private plan? What if I want to be on the public option and make my employer pay for it?”
FreedomAgain on Aug 11, 2009 at 21:02:29
“If things were as they should be, your employer would have nothing to do with your healthcare. Your employer can find an excuse to fire you if you get sick, in order to try to keep their insurance rates down. As for the employers, they shouldn't have to cover you for insurance. They can operate more cheaply without worrying about your healthcare. What does their selling goods and services have to do with your healthcare? Healthcare is a personal concern, and nobody should know anything about your medical condition except you and your doctor. Employment and Healthcare should never be related in any way.”
“Fox News is about as biased as MSNBC and the Huffpost...”
LemonMeringue on Aug 11, 2009 at 21:33:46
“HuffPo does not present itself as "news" or as "fair and balanced."”
doctorwang on Aug 11, 2009 at 21:08:19
“perhaps you should leave then. you do realize by coming here that you are supporting HuffP0?”
Ceregene on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:48:08
“policydebate - they way you think is a thing of the past.
Listen to both - then do your own research on what is or has been said.
Open your mind allow some thoughts of your own to sink in.”
HenricusRex on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:31:22
“You need to get out more.”
SlimPickins79 on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:30:55
“please show me an example of either MSNBC or huff completely making something up or editing footage to make something seem like its not? Id give you 20 links showing how Fox does it but wtf is the point, you dont want to hear it.”
BambooHarvester on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:30:32
colah on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:17:26
“Meaningless post. Looks like your specialty.”
Denemator on Aug 11, 2009 at 20:16:18
“Let me REPEAT!!!!!
I have nothing against one sided or biased if facts are presented, what irks me is editing twisting and lying, that has been exposed as the MO of fixed noise (Hence the FIXED)”
“Okay, I buy the argument that deposits take longer to clear than withdrawals. But.....
You can either remember those transaction dates or switch to bank that waives fees. There have been many times my bank has tried to charge me $35 for overdraft and each time I just call and they cancel it.”
“What looks to be happening is that many American's that never really participate in government (they spend their lives avoiding it) are finally angry.
It's easy to understand the liberal mindset, take money from rich people to give to poor. But most people know that's just not right. Furthermore, we've seen the collapse of the Japanese and Socialist European welfare states. They're going bankrupt just like our Medicare and Social Security plans.
The bottom line is you run out of rich people if you keep taking their money...”
Peekay19 on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:38:08
“Another facts deficient, brainwashed tool of the NO party. The last time i check Sweden, Denmark and Japan have better standard of living, better healthcare system, better life expectancy, low infant mortality, and no national debt than the US. The US started falling behind in all the above metrics the day Ron Reagan begun his assault on the middle class and the poor.
The US experience stratospheric growth when the tax rate for the super rich was 90%. You probably believe it's actually coincidence that the US experience robust growth when a democrat occupies the white house.
Providing social safety net for the people at the bottom is not socialism, having all the wealth in the hands of few people does not lead to economic prosperity.
Businesses would not produce in an atmosphere of lack of demand; a vibrant middle class leads to increase in demand. Demand always precedes supply.”
bardgal on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:34:15
“How is that "not right?" The rich have been taking from the poor for years.”
vincent1 on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:23:51
“I don't see from your statements that you come anywhere close to understanding the liberal mindset.”
HereComesMegaCorp on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:21:39
“Um... come again?
Are you arguing that we're about to "run out of rich people" because we are entering into a "socialist welfare state"? Where are your facts? Wealth in this country will continue to be consolidated at the top; the suffering poor will remain voiceless; our free market capitalism all but ensures that. I personally am happy to have an administration that is trying to provide incentives and support for those stricken by poverty, or what Gandhi referred to as "the worst form of violence."
The "angry people" you refer to are, by and large, the same ignorant masses who've voted against their own interests for most of their lives. Republicans will perpetrate whatever lies and half-truths are necessary to maintain wealth's stranglehold on policy. Democrats on the other hand actually try to explain themselves. They get nowhere, because our nation is shamefully ignorant.”
leftcoastindy on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:20:09
“Wrong on all counts. Facts are annoying things arent they?”
Peets101 on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:20:04
“You are not paying attention, or you are very young and healthy. The progressives are not talking about taking money from rich people to pay for health care - we are talking about reigning in the health care industry by stopping them from denying coverage and excluding people for preexisting conditions and by providing a genuine competition to force the price down. When I was young, I could never imagine this being a problem. Now, as a 67 year old business owner, I am forced to continue working virtually forever to maintain insurance for my wife who is 57 and has had cancer. She is uninsurable if we try to move from our group plan to a private plan. We were both healthy and never spent a day in the hospital until she got sick. We had insurance all our adult lives. Now, when we need it, it is on the verge of becoming unavailable. Our rates have trippled in just a few years. The fear of losing our insurance has become central to every decision we make.”
ebro1 on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:17:06
“But it's okay to take money from poor people and give it to rich people. That's not socialism. It's good old fashioned exploitation.”
apduncan1 on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:16:51
“You do not know what you are talking about, junior.
FYI: Europe is way ahead of us. Economically, socially and culturally. The Euro is valued above the US dollar. The Europeans get more for their money than us on health care and other service.
Do yourself a favor and read. A book, for instance. On health care systems worldwide.”
MathIsTruth on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:15:46
“What most people know is that everybody should be contributing their fair share to making our society a better place. That means the rich give more than the middle class or poor.
In case you haven't noticed, the separation between the rich and the poor in our society keeps getting larger and larger. And the rich use their riches to amass more and more power.
It is putting an end to freedom and an end to capitalism.
I think it's great to have rich people in a society. But "running out of rich people" is an unlikely occurrence, and would not be a huge problem if it did occur.”
fuzzwald on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:14:45
“I'm what you would probably call a liberal, but my mindset is not as you describe it. Instead of takng Rush's word for it, why don't you ask a liberal what he/she really thinks.”
mcmchugh99 on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:14:17
“Yes, I suppose it''s much better to steal from the poor and give to the rich, like the Republicans have been doing for the last 30 years.”
ClevelandTom on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:13:59
“I don't suppose it matters to you one bit that a far greater percentage of the U.s.'s wealth is concentrated in fewer hands now than since before the Great Depression and so your statement makes absolutely no sense.”
SharonaMonk on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:13:47
“Or is corporate welfare A-OK with you?”
Meggie on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:13:43
“the freaksshowing up at these events are not rich, have never been rich, and will never be rich. And anyone currently using medicare should stay home and hope they get to keep the public taxpayer benefits they're already getting.”
SharonaMonk on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:12:00
“Yea, we know that conservatives prefer the method of giving to the rich, giving to the rich, giving to the rich, while ignoring the plight of the poor...”
PA Blue on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:11:57
“You don't know what you're talikng about. These are not a majority of people- they're paid shills.”
“I don't think he wants to make America better. He, like many of us, don't want Obama to make it worse.”
Maechi on Aug 7, 2009 at 17:18:16
“I think that all Americans, both for and against Obama, do not want him to make our current situation worse. However, it is one thing to stand on fact and reason while one has a legitimate opposing view, and use their freedom to be active and vocal for the betterment of the society; and it is another thing to have a perverted view of what's going on and to spew vitriol that is altogether unconstructive and divides us as a nation. I understand that politics is a dirty game. It is especially dirty when each side plays only for themselves, their lobbyists, and for their "constituents” (in that order).
George Washington said it best, "Clamor and misrepresentation...only serve to foment the passions, without enlightening the understanding." Nowadays, the level of misrepresentation, half-truths, and flagrant lies in the discourse of many is the scourge and cancer of our society. If the true goal is to ensure that Obama stays on track to bring America back on the path to greatness, then we need to stop derailing his efforts and stop forcing every situation onto the third rail with all these misrepresentations. It pains me as an American to see how Rush and others like him, are using our freedoms in such wanton and irresponsible ways to do the very opposite thing you claim He, and other like him, are trying to do.”
LuvDaH8ters on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:12:27
“WRONG!!!!!!! he wants more money, him and his 400Mill contract couldnt give 2 $.h.it.z about u.......”
FeloniusMonk on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:10:40
“President Obama has a far greater chance of returning America to the greatness we had before all the greed and selfishness of the Republican years. The people who nay say him want to return us to the ugliest part of American history, where people were disenfranchised and only those who met one "special" qualification were allowed to be heard.”
Dragline on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:09:56
“Then why don't you and the others like you make a cogent argument or come up with viable alternatives?”
luvangelHussein330 on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:09:30
“Well if that were the case what he should be doing if he honestly doesn't want America to "get worse" is to fasilitate open and honest discorse. Not calling for people to be immature, race baiting and calling everyone who disagrees with him Nazis.”
Kiki1kat on Aug 7, 2009 at 16:09:07
“Then you and others should have fought harder to get McCain. Then you as well as all the other fools would be on the soup line and living under bridges.”