“I'm not Black. But you clearly do not understand Civil Rights laws. Any business decision that has a DISPARATE and ADVERSE impact on any protected group (such as the elderly, Blacks, Hispanics, women, a minority religious group, etc.) is illegal and can be both prosecuted and litigated, regardless of the size of the business. You just can't decide these things. He should have first spoken with his attorney.”
swatcapt on Nov 19, 2012 at 17:31:10
“Unless he refuses to sell to all blacks whites Hispanics Asian ect he is fine. The only people this effects is Obama supports which is over half the country. Also it is pretty ignorant to believe that all blacks voted for Obama. While a most did alot did not. Again if you as so worried about it get a lawyer and sue.”
“You have absolutely NO understanding of the way the law works, nor of the history of discrimination against Blacks and other people of color. He can be both prosecuted and sued NOW under the law. All you seem to be able to do is to state your opinion (but Republicans don't do facts) and be insulting. This adds nothing to the discussion. If you have a legal precedent that refutes my argument, give it. Otherwise, crawl back under your rock.”
wolflover3825 on Nov 19, 2012 at 21:49:21
“There is only one word that describes your whole argument. Delusional.”
“For years, I had to work on Thanksgiving Day. Police, firefighters, waitpersons, nurses, doctors, convenience store clerks, restaurantuers, and many other people need to work on Thanksgiving Day. I don't like the corporate greed nor the American materialism that keeps stores open on what used to be reliable days of resting and spending time with family for many Americans, but I don't get upset about people needing to work Thanksgiving Day. I used to have to do so when I worked at a mental health hospital. It didn't kill me. We just had our Thanksgiving a day or two later when I had my time off. These people will do fine.”
GaPony on Nov 19, 2012 at 16:30:01
“When I was a kid, there was nothing open on Thanksgiving, except maybe the hospital. When I was in the military, I pulled duty just about every Thanksgiving. In my early career because it gave the married people a chance to be with their family and later because it allowed a subordinate to catch a break. Then again, it might have been because military mess halls always put out a fantastic spread for Thanksgiving, even in a war zone. Now that I'm retired, I enjoy eating and napping and playing with the grandson. I wish everyone could do the same.”
javajava on Nov 19, 2012 at 15:02:12
“I'm working that day too. I work in Healthcare but I don't begrudge folks wanting to spend a day of family tradition with their families.
Some families plan travel and vacation time and come from distance to gather.
Family ought to figure in the discussion or we have surely lost our way”
“He is violating Federal Law in that his exclusion will have a disparate negative affect on African Americans. Therefore, his business is discriminating against Blacks in his community (if there are any) since 95%+ of Blacks voted for Obama.”
“Neither. Just stating the law. You might try reading it sometime. Whether this guy is deemed worth it to go after or not is a big question. But, the fact remains, he has broken Federal law and is subject to, not only criminal prosecution, but civil litigation as well.”
wolflover3825 on Nov 19, 2012 at 21:47:01
“"But, the fact remains, he has broken Federal law and is subject to, not only criminal prosecution, but civil litigation as well."
Prove your statements. Post the evidence. A similar legal case would be ideal. Especially one where a person refused to sell a gun to someone.”
RubDubbs on Nov 19, 2012 at 15:52:54
“No he isn't! Are you drunk right now? He can refuse business to whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants.”
“OK...I'll say this real slooowly so you can follow. It doesn't HAVE to specifically say anything about race. If a policy of a company has a disparate (that means "different") adverse (that means "bad") affect on a protected group, such as Blacks, it is a Federal crime as being against Title VII of the Equal Rights Act.”
Modern realist on Nov 20, 2012 at 08:41:06
“Amazing the reply to this post I sent yesterday not here. must have hit a nerve...”
I plead the 2nd on Nov 20, 2012 at 08:06:12
“No. Anyone that disagrees with your point of view is, in your eyes, a racist. Thats all it is. It's old. And no one gives a **** anymore.”
wolflover3825 on Nov 19, 2012 at 21:26:13
“"It doesn't HAVE to specifically say anything about race."
If it doesn't haveanything to do with race, then how can it be racism? That doesn't make sense.
"If a policy of a company has a disparate (that means "different") adverse (that means "bad") affect on a protected group, such as Blacks,"
And to prove that is doesn't need to be about race, you list something that has to about race? Amazing.”
“This guy has just committed a Federal crime. Since most Blacks voted for Obama (95%) he has effectively said "No Blacks." This is a "Jim Crow" action and is able to be both prosecuted and civilly litigated. No business can refuse to do business with a protected group (such as Blacks, women, etc.) nor refuse to do business in such a way that it has a clearly disparate impact on a protected group. This bad businessperson has just put his business at risk for his bigotry and hatred. I sincerely hope he is litigated against and prosecuted and goes out of business paying attorney's fees.”
wolflover3825 on Nov 19, 2012 at 21:04:43
“"This guy has just committed a Federal crime. Since most Blacks voted for Obama (95%) he has effectively said "No Blacks." This is a "Jim Crow" action and is able to be both prosecuted and civilly litigated."
If you really feel that way, and that strongly about it, take him to court under those conditions and reasons. See how far you get.”
RubDubbs on Nov 19, 2012 at 15:49:30
“He has a right to sell or not sell to whoever he wants to for whatever reason he wants to!”
J0E1 on Nov 19, 2012 at 14:28:57
“The day a black person is denied a gun for their race is the day he can be sued. Until then, your little argument is possibly the most absurd and senseless thing I have read in a long time. Were you born without most of your brain cells or did you lose them later in life?”
Jack Stone 444 on Nov 19, 2012 at 14:03:46
“Not sure if trolling or just stupid.”
Rooster Coburn on Nov 19, 2012 at 13:52:06
“Take your "protected group" and the criminal government that supports them back to Africa then.”
Modern realist on Nov 19, 2012 at 13:45:50
“No it's not, he never said any thing about race, but you seem to be taking it there!”
“No you can't, and here's why. Saying "No Obama Voters" adversely affects a protected group, namely Blacks. Therefore, he is discriminating against Blacks. That is able to be prosecuted and can certainly generate a civil suit. This guy just put his whole business at risk because of his bigotry. By the way, discriminating in a business in a way that affects a protected group is a FEDERAL crime, so the unwillingness of other Republicans in AZ to prosecute is immaterial.”
swatcapt on Nov 19, 2012 at 15:32:28
“Then feel free to try and sue him people of all color voted for Obama. what your political belifes are are not protected. AS is race, sex, color, ethincity. But again feel free to try and sue. ”
“It is just idiotic for ANY businessperson to refuse to do business with a segment of the population. I am incredibly Liberal. But many of my clients are conservative Republicans and even one Tea Partier. We do business, not politics. They know my position on politics. I know theirs. I'm the best at what I do, so they use my services. They have their own political opinions and I have mine. It doesn't mean we can't be friends and do business together. This guy deserves to go out of business.”
“No, I'm not an ephobophile and, in fact, find it disgusting. I am, however, a free-lance reporter in addition to my full-time counseling job, and feel that the media should get terms right. I also think that the discussion over what should happen to adults that have relations with older teens (like 16 and 17) should be more rational and less emotional. Pedophilia should have very harsh punishments. Ephobophilia....we need to be more rational about. Personally, I don't understand what a grown man would see in a teen. But, I'm not sure that all of these people are "sexual predators."”
uniqside on Nov 19, 2012 at 14:23:54
“I know what a grown man sees in a teenage girl, power. He sees a girl he can manipulate and control. These women who mess with teenagers feel the same. They all want power, and these young minds are impressionable. I am glad you find it disgusting, but we don't need to rethink the law, these adults need to rethink their bad behavior. No 16 year old is so attractive that they can't wait. And if they can't wait they are criminals. Kids have to grow up too fast as it is, they don't need adults pressuring them for sex.”
“We need to build the Space Elevator and build space ships in space. That would save billions.”
ThinkCreeps on Nov 20, 2012 at 12:19:11
“Building things in space = very very very expensive.
Building 20,000km-long towers = very very very expensive.”
SwiftJonathan on Nov 18, 2012 at 13:43:19
“Why do you believe that a space elevator would be cheaper than a reusable rocket? Or that it would even matter, given the cost of the payload?”
Vladislaw on Nov 18, 2012 at 13:28:12
“a space elevator is farther away .. technology wise .. than fusion reactors. Lets just commercialize space transportation.
EVERY transportation system is commercial except for the NASA monopoly. It is changing .. but we could be doing so much more and be getting such a greater bang for the billions the taxpayers are funding.”
“Technically, those who have sex with teens are NOT "pedophiles." This term refers to sex with someone who has not gone through puberty, though it is misused by the media. A true pedophile enjoys actual children. Teens are NOT children, they are young adults, and, so, would turn off a pedophile. The term for sex with a teenager is ephebophilia. I wish they'd make the distinction, as pedophilia is a natural crime and ephobophilia is a definitional crime. In many countries and peoples through history and even today, teens were marriage material. Also, "teenager" was a concept that only came to light in the 20th Century. Prior to that, teens were expected to begin to take on adult responsibilities.”
uniqside on Nov 19, 2012 at 09:49:46
“You sound like a ephebophile. The law is the law. If you want to think about it or bend the rules go to another country where child brides are acceptable. People make me sick with the distinctions. The fact is teens should date teens and adults should date adults.”
“They were not. A student-teacher tryst was not only expected, but produced some of the finest scholars in the ancient world. In the modern world, Jung's tryst with a young student produced one of the finest psychologists in Europe. The "damage" done by such relationships is highly overhyped by a Puritan media and negative attitudes towards sex.”
“I don't think that challenging ancient superstitions is trolling. Superstitions exist to be made fun of by those of us who live by reason. I like most of what you write on these comment sections, but this is being pretty overly sensitive.”