“Wow, I thought you would have a better, more respectful reply than that. I was respectful toward you. My problem is with the first four sentences in the post, and it has nothing to do with the actual details of the farmers. When you start writing about rural Southerners (whether they are originally from that region or not) please don't start off talking about how they play the banjo, live on dirt roads, have no cell phone reception, and how much you fell in love with them immediately. It IS fetishizing, whether you see it that way or not. And it DOES further stereotypes that make rural Southerners seem like the "other." And saying, "Please stop trying to find the negative in everything" is easy for someone to say who hasn't suffered and seen discrimination against her people due to stereotypes like the one you are portraying. Would you tell an African American or a woman or a homosexual to stop trying to find the negative in everything if they were complaining about your stereotyping portrayal of them in your work? I would hope not. But the awareness level surrounding rural Southerners as an oppressed group is really low. Again, my problem with your piece has nothing to do with the details of these specific farmers. It is with the tone and content of your first four sentences.”
hp blogger Daniel Klein on Jun 1, 2011 at 09:47:41
“I'm very sorry if my writing has offended you, but I stand by those first four sentences. What is not awesome about shiitake farmers who have a banjo band where they play pre-1930s music? Then, what is not awesome about them being organic? Then - the Ozarks! I had never been and heard about what a beautiful beautiful place it is. Then the drive, it was a huge drive, seriously, that for me doesn't say oh they were poor southerners, but rather look how cool and off the map this place was. You have had a bad experience, and I'm sorry about that. I usually try not to respond to negative comments because it is just a downward spiral and I shouldn't have in this case. Thanks for your thoughts. ALl the best to you.”
seajewel on Jun 1, 2011 at 03:26:25
“I'm not seeing what you are talking about and I lived in the south for decades. Looks to me like he's pointing out some good, no make that great qualities.
"portraying them as exotic, enchanting , banjo-play ing people who live on dirt roads where GPS and cell phones don't exist, with whom you immediatel y fell in love"
And this is a problem for you? What tone? That's not patronizing.”
“I really appreciate your aim, but you are being kind of condescending toward rural Southerners by portraying them as exotic, enchanting, banjo-playing people who live on dirt roads where GPS and cell phones don't exist, with whom you immediately fell in love. It comes off as patronizing, and it is totally unnecessary for the story as well. Please be careful not to fetishize and exoticize rural Southerners in your work in the future. They are a poor, exploited and vulnerable population who are rarely represented in the popular media in any way that is not either mocking or fetishizing.”
wildisthewind on Jun 1, 2011 at 01:12:11
“I live in rural Appalachia, and I didn't see Daniel's video that way at all. Condescending? Mocking? Fetishizing? What on Earth are you talking about? The people in these hills definitely get fed up with being mocked and negatively stereotyped sometimes, but I have never heard anybody here get mad about being appreciated. If anything, you are the one creating a caricature that would offend many of my neighbors. A lot of them are very poor, but they are resourceful too, and most don't care to be painted as victims. I think most of them would have a good laugh over your claim that people think of them as "exotic." What the heck is that about? And I don't know anybody who wouldn't like to believe that they are enchanting. What's wrong with playing the banjo? The people where I live are proud to share their creative culture. I live down a dirt road where there is no GPS and not much in the way of cell phone reception unless you stand on my roof. So what is that supposed to mean?
By the way, the people in that video clearly weren't poor, but what is even stranger about your argument is that they clearly weren't native Southerners either.”
NYCFoodie on Jun 1, 2011 at 00:20:30
“It feels like you are just trying to find something wrong with a really nice story about cool people working hard and doing well....who happen to live in the south. To ask the Perennial Plate to try not to fetishize the south is not only patronizing, but shows that you are greatly ill informed about the show.”
hp blogger Daniel Klein on May 31, 2011 at 23:55:20
“yo, these folks are not poor, not southerners, and not fetishized. they are from upstate NY, they moved south because they are hippies and wanted to farm. please stop trying to find the negative in everything.”
klbrz on May 31, 2011 at 22:55:37
“I'm from the South and I agree that rural Southerners are generally poorly treated in the media. However, I haven't felt like Daniel has done that. Granted, while most of the work I've seen him do has focused on MN farms, it has seemed that he tries to present the farmer's story honestly.
The farmers in this story do play banjo and violin (we might say fiddle?), so certainly that fits with a stereotype, but these are real people. They are quite articulate, and obviously successful at what they do. I was thankful to see the story and these farmers who are so talented and comfortable with who they are and what they do.”
“I love my olive oil too though. Amazing stuff! Be careful, extra virgin shouldn't be used for high-temp cooking, which destroys its nutritive properties and turns it into dangerous trans fats. Stick to drizzling and low-temp cooking with olive oil. You can use sunflower or certain other oils for high-temp cooking.”
camanokat on Apr 26, 2011 at 17:34:51
“I keep a bottle of grapeseed oil in the fridge for high heat cooking.”
Apr 5, 2011 at 14:32:00
“Sounds like you just have contempt for celebrities in general: "courting the press" used as some horrific thing. And Ashley's story has nothing to do with criticizing the press. This is about criticizing her family and her abuser. And I'm sure Ashley has a good therapist. And that has nothing to do with one's decision to "go public" with their abuse or not. Imagine how much this sort of story helps other people who have suffered abuse to feel like they are not alone and face their reality. Imagine how much it also helps someone to get rid of the awful burden of trying to hide a horrifying secret all their life. How dare you pour more shame on the brave victims of abuse who finally speak out?! And yes, there is still a huge stigma against mental health care in most of the US, but that is not relevant here.”
erl92 on Apr 5, 2011 at 15:00:06
“Let me tell you something rebecca. Public people do play the media like a violin whether you or I agree with it or not. You know that even going into court there are people who coach people how to dress, how to look, what to say or not to say and even body language. Do you think actors don't know this or politicians who are really salesmen. How many people have to go public and say these things and its always about informing over and over again when a therapist is a trained professional who can actually help them. You can have your opinion and I'll have mine on whether it is best to go public on this but how dare you think that you have the right to lecture me on anything much less my opinion. If you don't like my opinion then don't read it. And I can guarantee that many that are acting so concerned will go out and vote for some politician that will cut funding for programs that can help people in these type of situations that have a lot less financial resources then Ms. Judd.”
Apr 5, 2011 at 14:27:05
“It helps other people who have suffered abuse to feel like they are not alone. It's not just about money. It is also about getting rid of the awful burden of trying to hide a horrifying secret all your life. how dare you pour more shame on the brave victims of abuse who finally speak out?!”
“it's not just japan that is inflexible about questioning its nuclear power--what about the US? we have a lot of them too, and not many people are instituting any changes. *we* just don't get that it's dangerous, either!”
“I get that strong sense constantly as the story keeps getting worse little by little, and the more mainstream or official the news source, the latest it is to have the bad news. Also, the updates keep contradicting things that were said in the previous reports in ways that demonstrate that the earlier reports were just PR damage control.”
shaggyct on Mar 13, 2011 at 04:11:55
“Exactly, Rebecca. I'm not sure whether it is because they are trying to prevent panic, or because they simply don't know, considering that such incidents are so rare and we really don't have many points of reference. But the fact that the news seems to be getting worse all the time, and is constantly contradicting what we thought we "knew" just a few hours earlier certainly isn't a good sign.”
“what you call 'laziness' is responsible for most language change, and is the reason we all speak a wide variety of languages and dialects. in technical linguistics terms, ALL users of language are motivated to use as little energy as necessary to communicate their message to the receiver. the longstanding myth that language change is bad and 'lazy' just serves to help maintain social power for those who are privileged enough to know the 'right' way to speak and write.”
garystartswithg on Mar 13, 2011 at 13:29:07
“Its lazy, but thanks for playing. Narcissism isn't the equivalent of Shakespeare. Go refudiate somewhere else. Thank you.”
Chiron090 on Mar 13, 2011 at 04:32:06
“Congratulations! You just won the internets!
But, yeah, I've been tying to knock sense into these prescriptivist grammarians for years.”
“You accused me of condemning the Japanese people. I took offense at that. Okay, so your point that the amount of shaking and damage is not directly related to the Richter scale value is consistent with my point that the damage associated with nuclear accidents is not worth the risk, and that we can't afford to underestimate possible problems on the basis that they are highly unlikely. You seem to be saying that since we can't yet accurately predict how bad natural disasters can be, it is justifiable to take the risk of putting nuclear power plants in our environment, and I disagree.”
“i actually have lived in the california bay area for several years now, so i share your fears acutely. and i disagree with you--i am not condemning the japanese people, i am condemning greedy corporate energy industry people the world over. please don't read racism into my indictment of human selfishness the world over. and if we can't contain nuclear meltdowns that are obviously possible, we shouldn't be building these plants. not in japan, not in diablo canyon in the bay area, not anywhere. not that i support fossil fuels either. clean, safe energy--why is that so radical?”
shirleyfeeney on Mar 13, 2011 at 03:11:53
“.....where was I accusing anyone of being racist?
All I was saying was that there are different types of earthquakes, and that the epicenter location actually plays more of a part than the "size" of the quake itself. The devastation in Haiti was tremendous as well, with a smaller quake, but with buildings that were built without a seismic code. New Zealand had buildings collapse with an earthquake that wasn't even a 7, but was shallow and under land. There are simply some circumstances that can't be prepared for.
I lived for a while in Foster City, and our biggest fear wasn't earthquakes--it was tsunamis because our elevation was "4".”
“ignoring the fact that many earthquakes have been larger than 7.9, especially on the pacific ring of fire, is a huge example of human error, very conscious, willing, greedy human error.”
shirleyfeeney on Mar 13, 2011 at 01:23:06
“i live in Los Angeles. Trust me, I'm NOT ignoring that fact. The damage in NZ was horrendus, and that wasn't even a 7. There is only so much that can be done in any kind of situation. The Japanese people need our support and not our condemnation. They've been through enough. This is hardly a greedy human error. Since you're in KY, I'm sure the threat of an earthquake isn't something you live with every day. I do.”
“Google "fluoride" and look around--there are many who are contradicting the notion that fluoride is a harmless tooth decay preventative. It's certainly not a clear-cut issue. Most people are not aware of this issue at all, but it's actually a pretty interesting debate.”
Aug 24, 2010 at 18:36:53
“Very condescending. Language is naturally constantly changing. People who lord their spelling and grammar ability over others are wallowing in their privilege to have had a good education. It's quite class-ist. Not everyone gets such an opportunity. And even some of us educated ones think that creativity with language is wonderful. I like to spell "though" as "tho," "through" as "thru," and so on. We don't need all those unnecessary letters making reading hard for children, and I don't need my self-esteem to be built on whether people think I can spell or not. I'm confident in my intellectual abilities otherwise.”
Aug 24, 2010 at 18:30:33
“I don't appreciate your sense of humor. I'm sure you don't care, but I find it pretty inappropriate, especially for a moderator. Women already have enough shame about their genitals. Please don't add to that, even if you think what you are saying is funny.”
Ghost803 on Aug 26, 2010 at 01:45:23
“What the heck are you talking about? It's the most sought after commodity on this planet.”
yellowdoggie on Aug 24, 2010 at 20:22:44
“I'm not ashamed of my genitals. I'm really, really sorry if you're ashamed of yours. Please accept my heartfelt, sincere apology.”
Aug 16, 2010 at 03:32:50
“Correlation does not mean causation, ughhhh... Probably the teens who are having more casual sex come from less stable homes and have more emotional problems, and are therefore making riskier choices about sex as well as performing more poorly in school. The scientists here are very irresponsible if they didn't consider and at least attempt to control for that possibility.”
peterg76 on Aug 16, 2010 at 08:04:55
“If you look carefully, you'll notice they say 'researchers' but never refer to them as 'scientists'.”
“I do feel that it is important to point out that they are a problem, and no, I have never had an eating disorder, but I have known many people who have, and I can understand how it happens. And the young woman *may* be healthy, but chances are that she is not, given that 1) her ribs are *super duper* showing in the first pic and look photoshopped out in the second, 2) it is very well-known that many young female models have eating disorders. Also, even if she is personally healthy, almost all the other young female models look similar, and a huge number of them have eating disorders. And, again, it contributes to the unreal-skinny images that young women have to see out there and pattern themselves after. Why don't you seem to have any sympathy for young women with eating disorders?”
liberty apples on Jul 12, 2010 at 18:59:04
“What makes you think I don't have any sympathy for young women with eating disorders? Nothing I've written could be interpreted as being indifferent to the problem - both for those dangerous thin and those dangerously fat. I just don't like seeing ghosts where none exist. This woman looks healthy. And if a young woman wants to trim and fit, more power to her. No one is advocating for Twigger-like stick figures. Would your reaction be the same if this was the picture of a woman on Runner's World - ribs and all? I doubt it. But I'll give you the last word. Best.”
“What you said would make sense, *if* women weren't developing eating disorders left and right because they are trying to look like these ads. Whether you think they *should* be or not, they are. Therefore I find it flippant, cruel and sexist to keep putting out the same image of the size 0 or 2 woman, photoshopped to the hilt, when you know how women are reacting to it, and to just say, "Oh well, that is our standard of beauty!"”
bezotes on Jul 12, 2010 at 23:15:26
“Reread my post; I never made any statement about standards of any kind, so putting your standards remark in quotes makes no sense. My niece was 5'9 and 100 lbs and she did not have an eating disorder; she was tall and slim like her parents and brother.
Modeling is a job. Every job has requirements; if a worker thinks a particular job has unfair requirements, he or she can choose to change the situation or find other work.
I never buy fashion magazines and only look at them at the dentist's office. I find them boring. I read books when I was a little girl and my mother has never looked at a fashion magazine in her life. She was busy living her life.
I always wanted to be a beautiful, intelligent strong Black woman like my mother who was tall but built more like Sophia Loren than a waif.”
“Unfortunately, millions of young women get eating disorders, in part because of images like these. This situation needs to change. Presenting fake images of skinniness (like a tiny waist but no visible ribs) makes young women feel like ugly monsters, whether you think it should or not, and it is cruel and irresponsible to put out images like this as long as this situation persists.”