“Fortunately,,, no one had to die to make me a, what was that you called me??? A god thingy,, something?? (your post attacking me)
What exactly is your definition of this god notion you are referring to and where is that he or she or it is or lives or,,, you will have to enlighten me as to your personal evidence and fact based knowledge concerning this god thingy,,, thingy?
I never stated that "Religious People" can't pray in public, I said that they can't be allowed to preach (or pray) their "Benedictions" before a "Public Secular government business meeting". (I was referring to what this case is all about, remember??) and you are right about the fact that "They" have the right to express themselves religiously if that is their notion, (what ever floats their boat) they just can't do it as "A Way" of injecting their imaginary friend at the "Beginning" of a Secular business meeting. I think you strayed,, off point.
If you didn't already know,,, this god thingy you are referring to,,, isn't real.
So, since that is the case,,, why do your, "Religious People", keep trying to impose their belief system where it isn't needed or wanted by what you refereed to as atheists who are trying to silence their imaginary belief "Intrusion" as somehow real or acceptable,,, before, "In a Public Secular meeting".
Imagination is a wonderful thing, "Except", when it is used to convince someone else that their "Imaginary Friend", is actually,,, real..”
Ferrariqx on Jan 1, 2014 at 21:28:57
“I LIKE you!!!”
MartinVanNostrand on Nov 15, 2013 at 08:11:51
“Unfortunately rfj1, forcing/imposing their beliefs on you is what they are encouraged to do. Catholics are taught that they are violating the church's belief system if they don't try to save a non-believer. Isn't that nice?”
Anthony McCarthy on Nov 14, 2013 at 17:43:45
“Oh, and as to "imaginary friend" how do you know?
If I had a dollar for every bogus, imaginary thing asserted by atheists, even in the name of science, I'd be rich. Memes, "altruism" genes, the whole range of Freudian nonsense, behaviorism, evo-psy... atheists are as prone to imagining things as anyone else. Only they imagine they don't.”
Anthony McCarthy on Nov 14, 2013 at 17:29:53
“Of course there isn't any place for official prayer by agents of the government in relation to their work, that would be a violation of the separation of church and state. But there is a difference between a government official saying things of a religious nature at governmental meetings and private citizens doing so. Why do SOME religious people try to impose their religion on other people with the government? People are always trying to get the government to do illegal things they want it to, all things considered, religious people doing that are one of the less successful at it.
If the majority of religious people didn't support keeping the government out of the business of promoting religion, the wall of separation, non-establishment, the ban on religious tests would not have survived in the more than two hundred years of them being the law of the land, the vast majority of The People being religious, most of those Christians of one denomination or the other. Atheists didn't invent those things, they don't sustain them. There aren't enough atheists to be able to do that. If Christians didn't support them they have the ability to amend the Constitution and get rid of them.”
“The "Only" place any kind of a prayer should be practiced, if that is your imaginary need, is in your brain where you can pray to any imaginary friend you so choose that floats your boat but you cannot pray in a "Secular" government business meeting,,, period.
There are buildings called churches that allow this to happen all the time and you won't find any atheist there to bother you when you are kneeling, bowing your head or whatever else it is you feel you need to do to accomplish that old and outdated "Controlled", ritual.
Think of it in this way,, what if elected officials came to your home to conduct doing their secular business and told you can't pray (in your own home) at all while they are conducting their "Secular" business because is it against the law.
That is exactly what religious groups have been trying to do (for the past 235 years) while in my secular governmental house of, "The People", by continually trying to force their "Personal" belief mentality(s) where it's not wanted or needed.
Keep you "Religious" fantasy's out of our governments secular business where logic, realism and common sense thrive.”
Anthony McCarthy on Nov 14, 2013 at 08:47:31
“Who died and made you god? Religious people have the right to pray in public, they have the right to express themselves religiously. The GOVERNMENT has an obligation to be religiously neutral, it has a constitutional responsibility to avoid an appearance of an establishment of religion or the promotion of religious ideas, including atheism. The People's right to express their religious ideas are not a matter of constitutional doctrine or the law, we have the right to say whatever we want to on that topic in public, even as private citizens addressing the government and in voting. Atheists don't have a right to our silence any more than we have a right to their silence.”
“"That wasn't my intention"???
That's like saying, "I didn't meant to shoot her but I did".
The problem is with CNN and those who are "Responsible" for hiring jerks and morons like him in the first place.
Most of you know from your very own "Work Places" experiences that every now and then, everyone will "Intentionally" blurt out some "Derogatory" remark when ever they are pissed at someone or thing or want to be apart of some demented group that spews hate, bigotry and prejudices in their daily lives. Rush Limburger comes to mind.
Bottom line, as with "ANY" news media, is broadcast the truth and keep your "Personal" remarks to yourself and your demented personality.
This would be a "Firing" offense, hands down, oh wait, were talking about CNN and "ALL" FOX news medias. r”
tarby on Sep 6, 2012 at 19:57:33
designsbybobbie on Sep 6, 2012 at 19:06:05
“Thank you and I will be your second fan! F&F”
jaborine on Sep 6, 2012 at 17:21:57
f and f Glad to become your first fan. "Broadcast the truth," always good advice that falls on the deaf ears of most at
Fox and now some on CNN.”
“"are thoroughly rooted in Democratic/Republican reality"
I would have used "Agendas" because that is what they have been doing for the past 235 plus years with our Constitution so only "They" can call the shots and continue "Ruling" as they see fit.
I've been telling you this for years now and you are just getting it???
Makes me wonder who's side you really are on?
Adela Rogers on Aug 8, 2011 at 11:15:02
“"are thoroughly rooted in Democratic/Republican reality"
I had the exact same issue with that statement. "Agendas" is a much more accurate word.
Not only does the word "reality" not apply to any partisan perspective, but there is no real "reality" anymore. In these Orwellian Times, the word has been redefined to mean "the theater of unscripted, yet choreographed and staged-for-benefit-of-an-audience drama, acting in an improvisational sense while following specific thematic objectives."”
“I like Keith even though he tends to "Exaggerate" most of his comments on this and other issues.
Although this "Act" was wrong there must be those of you out there that look to the bigger picture.
I hope that you can see though the rhetoric spewed out by all of the "Usual" talking heads and determine for yourself that this kind or type of incident just adds fuel to their poor excuse to "Incite" the weak minds of those who believe them and are and will "Shoot" before they think.
You have very compelling reply's regarding this "Non" subject.
I think that you would agree that "It" becomes a subject when those who continue to believe in this "Story"(s) continue to "Give" it, them, a not real life.
Every time I run into someone who , shall we say is a "Believer" I will ask them to answer a simple question to prove to them that what they have decided to believe in, is pure nonsense.
It depends on two things if I have access to them.
One is an empty glass jar with it's lid and rock.
I will ask that person to come outside with me to preform this test and what I will do is remove the lid from the glass jar and wave the jar in the air as though I was scooping up the air and quickly place the lid back on that jar.
I would then look for a simple rock that is found in shall we say a rock garden and hold it in my other hand.
I would then present each of these objects out to him or her and ask which of these two items is real, the rock that we know has been here for a long time or the captured air that represents their particular believe of faith.
Those that don't answer or walk away, I will yell out to them that I am now opening up the lid and setting them free to rejoin the living.
“I kind of find it interesting that the "Highest" cost for gas that we were forced to pay during the so called Iraq war reached 4.50 per gallon and the cost in American lives totaled somewhere around 4,380 + or -. (I'm glad it didn't reach $5 a gallon)
Again and without sounding redundant, Oil is "Massed Produced" by large refineries that are "Hidden" all over the world from the "Average" consumer and that oil is stock piled for market swings and political arm twisting.
Shell Oil is without the "Biggest" thief and hoarder of this commodity and is using this scare tactic to "Prepare" us lowly folk for the "Enviable".
This has "Nothing" to do with climate warming or any other so called catastrophe that is pending, it's all about "Greed" and nothing else.
“It just "Amazes" me at the stupidity of the common citizen and how they are manipulated by "Tid-bits" of pending doom and information by the news medias.
This happens every time there is to much inactivity and the government thinks that they need to piss them off some more by tactics like this.
There "IS" no dependence on oil and there never will be, as is all the "Mass Produced" materials that consumers use or need is just another way of squeezing money out of their pockets, as if they don't have enough of it in the first place, How much is enough???
Here's an example, our house has been around for over 50 years but the "City" still raises monthly payments when ever they can on it for the usual services and uses the excuse that they are "Dangerously" low like water even though the was a "Massive" rain fall and overflowing of our reservoirs, go figure?
The government is the same because all of the "Elected" officials have their money invested in oil and everything else they afford in order to get a big return on their investment and who better to pay for it than the consumer.
I believe that is "Business 101".
What was that song again,,,"When will we ever learn?"
“It just "Kills" me when any program has to "Interpret" their version of what their "Invented" belief system is.
All that this mentality does is to "Give" life to something that doesn't exist and never has.
We all know that, simple human beings "Without" the educational benefit or commonsense that they were born with can't help them figure out what is real and what is bullshit, meaning "Any" form of a invented spiritual belief or moral mindset or system.
Sometimes I just can't seem to understand how and why "All" of these different cultures and beliefs just keep going on and on and on and on....
I thought that the 21th century would 'FINALLY" clear up this lie and that we as a group could finally "Evolve" to the next step or "Higher" intelligence, oh well, at least I have witnessed some progress, which is a "Good" thing.
Why can't we "Censor" any form or type of so called spiritual beliefs from being aired on all media's, at least that would be a start in the "Right" or should I say, "Natural" direction of our evolutionary progress instead of being "Anchored" buy this "Money Cow" that it has grown into.
Kind of reminds me about our current Government...
“I just can't understand why "None" of you haven't asked the oblivious question.
Why is British Petroleum "Drilling in our Back Yard" and selling our oil back to us that is if and when they learn how to extract it without spilling it.
Since when do we allow other countries to sneak in to our domain and rob us of our natural resources and then sell them back to us at a "Bargain Price"???
“It just "Amazes me that "No One" has asked he "Obvious" question about this oil spill.
"Why, is BP (British Petroleum) drilling in our "Back Yard"???
If you think about it, it is like someone digging in your back yard and finding , "What Ever",and selling back to you. (Doesn't that sort of raise a red flag???)
As most of you know, or should know, "The British" do not have "Any" natural resources which is why they have been robbing and stealing them from other countries for hundreds of years and are "Still" doing it today.
Those who are "Associated" with that country are just a "Guilty" for the "Pillaging" of any "Natural resource" that is for the US and it's neighboring countries and "Not", for the British, Period.
What "Everyone" is so diverted by is the "Blame Game" and are not focusing on the "Real" issue of why are "They" drilling in our waters and for what purposes and who is getting wealthy from it.
Those are the "questions" that everyone should be asking.
RichardVinthagen on May 21, 2010 at 05:13:21
“And why are American companies digging gold in Indonesia?”
zfire on May 20, 2010 at 14:38:06
“Halliburton...Dick Cheyney... The Federal Reserve.. The World Banks
Seek and you shall find your answers...”