“Why are you omitting that Wendy Davis stood for LATE term abortions? Abortions before 20 week gestation wasn't in the table. I'm a pro-limited (first trimester only, rape, health issues) choice women who had seen scores of Russians getting early abortions casually and almost every year. I'm used to it. In Russia it's used as birth control with uncaring heavily intoxicated husbands, and at boyfriend's insistence, the threat to leave the girl for another. But in all my life I haven't seen women demanding the horrible surgery to butcher her baby after carrying it for so long. That's why Russian orphanages are full. Women chose to give birth. Children have a chance to live. Do you know anyone who went through with partial birth abortion? I doubt it. It's a horror that makes you never want sex again. There is a reason Wendy Davis sneakers are red. It stands for all the blood associated with the bloody butchery. Or do you think you all, spoiled Americans, stand for some plastic surgery with her?”
GDWhiteman on Jun 29, 2013 at 15:43:44
“"Abortions before 20 week gestation wasn't in the table." - I beg your pardon. With all this distraction over late term abortions, the real oppression in this bill is slipping thru the cracks - the medically unnecessary absurd over-regulation of clinics that will result in closure of all but 5 of them. This will effect the availability of ALL abortions at ALL stages.
Most late term abortions (which comprise less than 1.5% of all abortions) result when a wanted pregnancy goes awry - fetal brain death, developmental anomalies that will result in stillbirth or only days or weeks of life at most under extreme medical care, and the like. Almost none of them are a matter of "Oh, gee, I changed my mind and don't want to have it." Yet the GOP is willing to put ALL pregnant woman at risk because they're outraged by a handful of abortions.
Intact Dilation and Extraction (which has been called "partial birth abortion" as a way to inflame the emotions of the ignorant) is used in some cases as the best way to preserve the pregnant woman's health and future child-bearing potential. It greatly reduces the risk of accidental puncture of several of her internal organs including her colon, bladder, and uterus as well as accidental omission of completely removing fetal tissue. All of these have considerable potential for serious post-operative infections.”
Kappa51 on Jun 29, 2013 at 15:39:37
“Boy....I have read propaganda bullshite in my day....but I think your post goes right to the top of the list.”
NellWebbish on Jun 29, 2013 at 15:25:26
“There is no such thing as "partial birth abortion". That is a medically non-existent phrase created by anti-abortion groups to outrage the gullible and ignorant.
Intact dilation and extraction (IDX) is the name of the medical procedure, it only accounts for 0.17% and is already banned for use in most cases since 2003. it certainly has nothing to do with the vast majority of abortions that occur in the 20-24th week which are the abortions this bill is attacking.
Banning abortions at week 20 is medically irresponsible and unnecessary. Many maternal and fetal complications do not occur until after the 20th week.
I have no idea what the Russian abortion rates or their horrifically abusive and neglectful orphanages have to do with American law.
Clearly you are either totally ignorant of the issue or are deliberately misleading and lying. Either way, your post is almost completely BS.”
sydneymoon on Jun 29, 2013 at 14:49:16
“In addition, this bill isn’t so much about the 20 weeks, as it is about building specifications that would be cost prohibitive for the majority of clinics in Texas that they would have to close leaving a handful left.
It essentially would end access to a safe, legal abortion. All this, under the guise of safety standards. A woman’s health won’t be compromised? How does widening a hallway x amount of feet ensure....safety?
What “sanitary and hygienic conditions within the center and its surroundings;” are not already in existence that could not be more stringently enforced?
Closing the clinics or making abortion illegal doesn’t stop abortion, it only further endangers the health of the woman.
If you want to bring on the histrionics, Wendy Davis’ shoes can also represent all the women over time who have lost their lives to back alley abortions.”
sydneymoon on Jun 29, 2013 at 14:49:02
“First, partial birth is not recognized as a medical term, but it is employed for political arguments.
Why are you omitting that the SB5 did not make exceptions for severe fetal anomalies until this was tacked on at the last minute:
(2) "Profound and irremediable congenital anomaly" means a congenital anomaly that, in a physician's reasonable medical judgment, will result in the death of the infant not later than minutes to hours after birth regardless of the provision of lifesaving medical treatment." http://news.rapgenius.com/Texas-state-legislature-sb-5-lyrics
With understanding there are some fetal anomalies not diagnose until 20+ weeks, if a woman’s physician decides a baby will survive not more than MINUTES or HOURS after birth a gut wrenching choice can be made to abort, but if the fetus survives full-term, the baby at birth, might survive longer than hours …the parents are deprived of making this very, very personal decision?
I am sure the doctor, understanding the legal mess that could ensue, would not 100% guarantee the severely compromised baby couldn’t survive past minutes or hours, setting up the awful scenario of the baby languishing for days/weeks and then dying.
Such restrictions imposed would have impacted not me not you, but only this woman and her family:
“The idea that there's some sort of arbitrary point at which life becomes sacred is largely a construct of rube Christians who have no concept of ethics beyond what folks like Pat Robertson tell them and depend on the manipulation of emotions coupled with religious hocus pocus rather than logic or reason.”
Boopsie2008 on Jun 29, 2013 at 14:23:28
“Severe medical problems threatening the life of the mother can develop very late in the pregnancy, including blood clots, eclampsia, and other conditions. At that point, only one of them may survive. Particularly if the woman already has other kids, she should be the one.
Second, the bill also lists factual determinations the doctor must make, with huge penalties if they don't. Doctors may fear liability so much that they retreat to a "safe zone" for their own protection, and not do abortions after a lesser time such as 15 weeks.
Third, doctors are restricted to using the procedure most likely to assure a live birth, which will also force them to an earlier "safe zone." It means that, if that fetus was the product of a violent rape that tore you up inside, you could be forced to keep the baby as a permanent reminder of that horrific experience. Right there, you're gonna have a lot of totally screwed up kids whose mothers can't love them right.
Fourt, the bill contains representations of "scientific evidence" that fetuses can feel pain very early on because they react to stimulus -- which the scientific community regards as bunk, since the fetus isn't even conscious until months later. It uses these representations to justify all the bill's limits, impliedly inviting Texas courts to consider them imposing liability for causing fetuses pain.”
anamericaninamerica on Jun 29, 2013 at 14:21:26
“Isn't life in a Russian orphanage a little like condemning a child to life in Gitmo?”
nvrbl on Jun 29, 2013 at 14:17:41
“About 1.3% of abortions are past the 20 week mark. Many of these are wanted pregnancies gone horribly wrong. Outlawing abortion does not reduce abortions, it only makes abortion unsafe and interferes with a woman's right to make her own medical decisions based on medical science in consultation with her doctor. If you want to reduce abortions, support comprehensive sex education and access to contraceptives and pre natal support services for women. Sticking your nose into someone else's personal, private, and unique medical situation and interfering with their medical care with no consideration for their medical reality or their own wishes is not the way to go.”
Javalation on Jun 29, 2013 at 14:10:01
“Interesting how you wingers want to pretend that the 20 weeks was it. The bill also provided catch 22 language that would have closed most of these women's centers in Texas. There is no doubt that eliminating women's right to choose is the objective.”