History is not a schoolyard. The order of things matters. The Arabs' goal is to destroy Israel and to exterminate the Jews. Ask them. Israel's goal is not to be destroyed or exterminated. Ask them. When the Arabs attack Israel; Israel strikes back, to defend, to deter, and to reduce the Arabs' capacity to attack.
The record: When Arabs attack, Israel counterattacks. When the Arabs stop attacking, Israel stops responding. When Arabs attack and Israel does not respond, Arabs increase their attacks. It is not a "cycle of violence" it is cause and effect. History is not a schoolyard. The order of things matters.”
“Dr. Kellerman is an emergency room physician and academic who I am sure has seen more of his share of the results of gun violence. The source of his 2.7 ratio, cited above is most often a gun criminal shot at home by another gun criminal. The "acquaintance" who shoots him is a competitor in the drugs trade. The causal chain is that drug dealers are more likely to: a) own a gun, b) be killed by another dealer c) who they know through their criminal business.
Kellerman's sin is that he chooses to ignore criticism rather than rebut it.”
Professor Winkler conflates three different populations under the rubric of "gun owner": Gun criminals, criminal defense lawyers, and law-abiding gun owners.
The remaining population consists of the millions of Americans who legally own firearms. They do not commit gun crimes and their accident rate is extremely low (about 500 accidental shootings a year for around 100 million guns. Swimming pools have an death rate about 101 times higher than do legally owned guns.) People with concealed carry permits tend to be hyper law abiding. For example, the state of Florida has issued more than 3 million concealed carry permits with a revocation rate of less than 0.01%. (The most common reason for revocation is the inadvertent carry of a weapon into an airport terminal.)
The outrage to be seen in some of the comments to this post comes from people such as myself, who are gun owners, but are also law-abiding homeowners, voters, blood donors, charity and political volunteers, etc.. We get very tired of hearing ourselves characterized as criminal monsters, psychopaths, and potential mass murderers by people who know nothing of us, and who know nothing about guns, shooting, criminology, or of real and overall beneficial social effects of firearm ownership in the United States.”
StarKing on Jan 7, 2009 at 02:20:19
“I believe you hit the nail on the head, concisely well said.”
Old-Surveyor on Jan 5, 2009 at 21:57:57
“So say we all!”
hahaney on Jan 5, 2009 at 08:42:29
“Two studies published in The New England Journal of Medicine revealed that keeping a gun in the home increases the risk of both suicide and homicide. Keeping a gun in the home makes it 2.7 times more likely that someone will be a victim of homicide in your home (in almost all cases the victim is either related to or intimately acquainted with the murderer) and 4.8 times more likely that someone will commit suicide. Guns make it more likely that a suicide attempt will be successful than if other means were used such as sleeping pills.
Private ownership of guns was very common under Saddam Hussein's regime (source).It certainly didn't protect the Iraqi people against political tyranny.
“Professor Winkler conflates three different populations under the rubric of "gun owner": Gun criminals, criminal defense lawyers, and law-abiding gun owners.
The term "Gun criminal" is not redundant. Only 18% of convicted violent criminals use firearms (I can provide research citations.) They come largely from the drug industry (including gangs such as the Crips or Norteños). They will continue to pack illegal guns because a) They do not obey laws, b) unable to settle disputes at law, they resort to violence, c) they can import guns through their drug smuggling channels. Their victims are overwhelmingly other gun criminals. Almost all gun criminals have shown deviant behavior since childhood. They are not simply people pushed over the edge. Far from endorsing such people, the NRA has pushed for draconian punishment for possession of firearms by felons and for crimes involving guns.
It is hard to imagine that I, a layman, have to remind Prof. Winkler that an attorney is required by the ethics of the profession to be a zealous advocate for the client, or that the attorney need only provide a reasonable doubt of guilt in order to prevail. A criminal defense attorney’s citing Heller in an attempt to convince a court to restore the firearms of an admittedly felonious client does not make that anyone's stated policy. To attribute such a sentiment to "gun owners" is a gratuitous libel. The fact that a Klansman writes a bigoted op-ed does not repeal our civil rights legislation.”