1) Stomping on someone who is on the ground and posing no threat is churlish and unmanly. No amount of revisionist spin will change that fact.
2) Every supporter of Rand Paul is not tarred by the action of one overheated guy. Another supporter is clearly heard telling the stomper to back off.
3) This is much ado over not much. My children have inflicted greater "violence" on me while playing "horsie".
4) Rand Paul supporters should quit trying to fashion a justification for their tackling after the fact. The fact that she dared to step up to a car window and turn a sign around does not make her Sirhan Sirhan.”
clemmers on Oct 28, 2010 at 15:40:50
“Best reply I've seen on this issue! Faved! (With the possible exception of #3 unless your children are twice your weight and they attack you three at a time)”
“"One of Meg's latest ads recalls why she and her family moved to California some 30 years ago - the good business climate, etc. Guess who was Governor? Jerry Brown."
zipowitz on Oct 26, 2010 at 14:14:27
“Yet that changed dramatically over the years. We now rank #3 behind NY and NJ on UNfriendliness towards business. We have lost over 600,000 manufacturing jobs since 2000 alone. We are the highest taxed state west of the Mississippi and are brutal to businesses when it comes to environment and it's about to becomew worse when AB32 gets enacted. We are cutting our own throats here.”
“Oh, for crying out loud. Printing provides $4 billion of operating profit per year for HP, 28% or so of their profit. The only are that makes more for them is services, at about $5 billion. I'm thinking that's kinda relevant.”
Zach Stein on Oct 26, 2010 at 13:19:34
“And on top of that their printer market share slipped significantly...”
“What in the world are you talking about? Let's ingore the tech boom and bust which are forces beyond a CEO's control. She took the stock price from about 30 to about 20 where it languished for years. When Fiorina finally got the boot, the stock price popped immediately and within a year it was back up to 30 and within 2 years under a capable manager it was at 45.
I don't know how you can spin that record into success. It's not even close. It is complete failure. Se came to be known as Czarly Failurina.”
iam7545 r on Oct 26, 2010 at 12:56:13
“If HP did not merge with Compaq they would be extinct now. the printer market is no longer relevant and she knew it”
“Well, in my view, we are just climbing out of a vast hole caused by the corporate mindset, that the best government is that which is measured by "metrics". And in order to get this overly simplistic mindset to work they have to hold it together with a few too many "big lies". Remember how GW Bush was touted as the "MBA Presdent". And he seemed to guide the country by a guiding principle that "meeting the metrics" was success, no matter how misguided the metrics were. Reported profits were success, no matter how unsustainable. Home ownership rates were success, no matter that it was accomplished with a bubble that had to burst.
There are other examples, but the point here is that I am not ready to embrace that kind of mindset. It has been too ruinous to the country, just as it has been too ruinous to the corporations that Fiorna has led.”
“Forgive me if I misunderstand, but for you the most valid qualification is to buy into the mindset and values of the corporate world? An MBA and working in industry is what qualifies you to lead?”
Oldsop on Oct 26, 2010 at 10:41:54
“Statistically, those with higher degrees and especially those with higher degrees from Ivy League type schools tend to be the most successful. There are always exceptions but the statistics show Ivy League’rs lead the way often.
You have not defined what you mean by corporate mindset or values so I cannot comment on that thought.”
“Legally sanctioned stoned drivers? No thanks.
Healthcare expenses for more smokers? No thanks.
One more legally sanctioned path to disfunction? No thanks.
Besides, you can already smoke it with a (wink-wink) "prescription". If some slacker can't go to a pretend doctor I don't think we need to remove this pebble of a barrier.”
Coyote50 on Oct 26, 2010 at 02:41:18
“I don't think that you get the scope of the problem that locking up pot smokers has caused. There are far too many people whose lives have been seriously trashed because of pot charges. The laws are enforced against people of color far more and in harsher ways. We already have stoned drivers - legalization is not going to affect that one way or another and it is illegal to drive under the influence. If you were to educate yourself, you would learn that in Amsterdam the use of pot went up a bit after legalization and then went right back down to where it was. This should be a no-brainer. Ask yourself, who benefits from pot being illegal? Is that the company you want to keep? The revenue from bringing back hemp alone would be worth it!”
gay4god on Oct 26, 2010 at 02:32:20
“Sorry, can you post the section of prop 19 that waives DUI penalties for those under the influence of pot? I must have missed that bit (hint: it doesn't exist. DUI for cough medicince is still a crime as it will remain for pot). Strike one for you.
Healthcare expenses for pot smokers? tell you what champ, why don't you point to a medical study showing that pot smoking(and only pot smoking) causes cancer and emphazema using the amounts that people actually smoke. You won't find it. In fact, pot has recently been shown to help stop the growth of certain cancers. Strike two for you.
Marijuna actually does help many ailments. It is not a joke. And why should I have to lie to my healthcare provider to relax after work? And then what about when I want to take a trip to Oregon or Kansas City for the week? Then I have to worry about being thrown in jail because your state doesn't allow. That makes no sense. Strike three in your argument. You lose.”
smoke1 on Oct 26, 2010 at 00:59:37
“Why should I need a wink-wink " subscription"anyway?Cigarrette smokers and alcahol drinkers don't need one.People eating fast food garbage cause more strain on healthcare than any pot smoker.Who said anything about legally driving stoned?You sound like you have no clue.Must be a Teabgger.”
WARHUKKER on Oct 26, 2010 at 00:56:05
“You people who flagged this post abusive s##k,there is nothing abusive in this post.”
smoke1 on Oct 26, 2010 at 00:45:49
“Path to dysfunction?Are you high?”
SlimPickins79 on Oct 25, 2010 at 23:59:08
“uhh what? DUI is still a DUI. its not going to be legal to drive while stoned. and you dont need to smoke pot, its the future. there are vaporizers. also you can eat it.”
rotorhead1871 on Oct 25, 2010 at 23:56:31
“its all allowed in the OB health bill, check the fine print...right by the insurance notes to raise rates...”
amleth on Oct 25, 2010 at 23:41:44
“Here are some forms of evidence you might have given in support of your assertions:
Descriptions and definitions (especially of terms important to your case)
Testimony (usually from those considered authorities or experts)
Physical evidence (forms of medical/hospital records, scientific studies, etc.)
Analysis (comparison/contrast, part to whole, cause and effect - using statistics)
Reasoning - (reckoning, calculating, mapping, sorting and classifying)
A list of things you could have used as critical functions: analyze, cladsify, compare, contrast, connect, deduce, describe, distinguish, draw conclusions, evaluate, hypothesize, identify, imply, infer, interpret, judge, question, relate, speculate, summarize, and more)
Inductive logic - (a preponderance of evidence)
Deductive logic - (syllogisms that support your assertions)
That you chose to do none of the above indicates that you are not serious in your assertions, or that you are incapable of supporting them.
I advise you to give yourself access to some ways of thinking that might help you to make a case for what you believe. - but be careful, some exercise of though might actually change your beliefs.
Seriously, look into a persuasive/argumentative writing text at Empowering Writers.com. Don't be put off by the middle school instruction: many college students and the vast majority of adults could benefit from it, and I taught them for years.
No offense intended. I am assuming you are sincere, and it is obvious you could use some help if you are going to make written arguments in a public forum.
Peace, best wishes.”
jsarets on Oct 25, 2010 at 23:06:31
“DUI is illegal, whether alcohol or marijuana, and marijuana use is near the bottom of the list of activities that cause healthcare expenses.
The current medical marijuana laws in most states are a mess and do almost nothing to clean up the social vices that are associated with black market supply chains.
The consumers aren't really the problem. The supply side is what causes trouble, and notional decriminalization does not help. Only bringing the industry totally into the light as a normalized commodity market can address the problems. Gray markets are no better than black markets.”
Tlaltecuhtli02 on Oct 25, 2010 at 23:00:58
“I agree. Let's allow the black market and violent people to take all the tax-free profits, without any social responsibility.
“Conservatives often profess faith in the wisdom of the free marketplace. By the time he left office, Bush saw the crash of the hollow bubble economy cut the Dow from a high of nearly 1400 to 8500, on its way to under 7000. That's half. The market expressed its wisdom on the folly of the Bush years.
Under Obama, after the "failed" stimulus, that 7000 has risen to 11,000. That's a rise of 50%.
So, the major bellwether of the capitalist free market has rendered its opinion. You'd think that principled conservatives would be stumping for more Congressional support for Obama.”
reveal5 on Oct 23, 2010 at 23:01:55
“ff!..they are certainly advanced at "Magically" ignoring actual information”