“Let us not get confused. Jesus is a reasonably provable historical person although many of the stories about him in the gospels are not historical. If you maintain that Jesus is not historical, then the same must be said of Socrates, Homer, Buddha, and many others. There is less concrete proof for their existence than for Jesus.
But God is a matter of faith and neith provable nor disprovable.
In my humble opinion, this is because God exists outside of physical reality - but, of course, I can't prove it.”
“My challenge was to point out how silly a dogmatic statement that Jesus never existed is. It's like saying that Homer or Socrates never existed. The Gospels, written in different times and different places by different people, and letters of Paul actually are independent sources, and Paul clearly states that he never knew Jesus but that he knew plenty of people that did. In addition, there are other non-canonical gospels such as the sayings Gospel of Thomas that was found written on papyrus and buried in an ancient pot in Egypt.
In my mind, the historical Jesus the Jewish prophet. undoubtedly existed. Whether he was the Messiah, Son of God, or God (all later Christian interpretations, and gloriously inconsistent) are matters of faith.”
“The proof that Jesus did exist is the fact that Paul wrote of numerous people who knew him. The gospels may or may not have been written by the people whose names became attached to them. Luke/Acts was likely written by that person. Somebody said the concordant sayings. This religion didn't just grow out of some mass delusion any more than Islam or Buddhism. This does not mean that everything in the gospels is historical truth. Much is myth and legend attached to a person. But to say that person therefore never existed is a real stretch.
So, I say, if you think that Jesus didn't exist, prove that his existence was impossible because the gospels and Pauline letters prove otherwise.”
“The press office got the story wrong because they had not asked the President directly. Pretty dumb, but not lying in THIS case, So do such stupid mistakes actually happen. Of COURSE they do -- all the time! In politics, business, education, religious - you name it. Stupid mistakes and miscommunication are the bane of humanity.”
“Funny how Catholics always demand proof! Yet, for them symbolism masqueraded with pomp and ceremony is more than adequate.”
owlafaye on Dec 7, 2013 at 12:12:06
“@sigmetsue......these fanciful gods you present to the world are YOUR presentation, YOUR fancy....therefore the "onus of proof" lies in your hands, not mine.
I don't fancy any god in the sky and feel sorry for someone who embarasses themselves asserting this type of foolishness.
I feel secure in the hands of rational thought, common sense and an extensive secular education.
The wormholes of Christian education contain no marble floors. When you walk in the "Halls of Academia" your forward steps ring out TRUTH.”
jamieson44 on Dec 7, 2013 at 02:00:47
“You took the bait! You challenged him to prove there was not a Jesus, he can challenge you to prove there was. There is only one mention of Jesus outside the Bible. That is of Josepheus a Jew, who became a pawn of the Romans. You cannot uses the Bible as proof as it is not an independent source. I believe there was probably a great prophet called Jesus, but in what capacity? I cannot rely on scripture. Important people through out history are built into mythical proportions as the legends are passed down through the ages. Believing in Christ and God depend on faith, if you don't have faith the whole story becomes suspect. I still have not made up my mind.”
Megg Lindeen on Dec 7, 2013 at 00:03:44
“No need to, since there's no proof to say that he did exist.”
w4csc on Dec 6, 2013 at 23:03:23
“Isn't that kind of backwards? I can't prove there's no Planet XYZ with that kind of reverse reasoning, either....or a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Prove there's no gravity.”
newvoyage on Dec 6, 2013 at 21:50:58
“I'm sure he would be willing to prove that as soon as you prove that Santa Clause doesn't exist. Or the tooth fairy, for that matter.”
“One big part of the solution is to make a college education cheaper by having more coursework online such that the profs can post for a fee whatever they want students to listen to, read, do, etc., and when students are ready, they can go to a testing center to take online tests. That way, outstanding professors can teach thousands of students at once.”
Dec 5, 2013 at 13:40:53
“Our country does not have an official language. Freedom of speech includes the right to speak whatever language you want to speak. An employer has the right to insist that employees speak the language that everyone understands, and surely students should get in trouble if they refuse to try to speak English. But to absolutely forbid any other language than English? - how provincial and rude!”
Dec 5, 2013 at 13:38:12
“Where is your proof (from non partisan sources) that the Spanish Speaking population is draining our resources -- because I sure have no knowledge of it. And Spanish speakers' kids become fluent English speakers and regular Americans in one generation -- the same as all immigrants have, including your ancestors.”
wrenaroo on Dec 5, 2013 at 15:08:33
“SOME spanish speakers' kids become fluent English speakers and regular Americans in one generation, BUT most do not. That is why we have the debate going here. When a principal has to take measures to keep English the spoken language in class, there is obviously a problem. I personally know 2nd and 3rd generation that can barely speak English because the only place they have that interaction is AT SCHOOL. So to accommodate speaking the language you are comfortable with counteracts learning the new language that is the foundation of your future.
As for my ancestors, they were proud to learn English and encouraged us all to learn to know both...but first came English!”
Dec 5, 2013 at 13:33:23
“You have no idea what you are talking about. I have worked with "those people" for nearly half a century helping them to learn English and succeed. They have sacrificed much to get their children to the US where the kids can have a chance at the American Dream, and their children are much better behaved in school than White and Black kids.”
pjarizona on Dec 5, 2013 at 13:47:10
“We are not talking about the same people. Sure there are loads of "those people" that come here and the ones who want to learn do with the help im sure of people like you. The problem is that's a small %. Most do nothing to help themselves or their children. That is why there are so many kids starting school who can't speak one word of English. Somehow the parents feel its the school's job to do that. NO it is NOT and the sooner they learn that the better off they will be. And if you have been working with them for nearly half a century you of all people should know there are plenty of programs before a child starts school to go to where they can learn English. And also for adults too.”
Dec 5, 2013 at 13:26:50
“As a veteran teacher of Mexican American kids, I think this principal is a throw back to the last century. The purpose of language is communication. If a kid has something they need to say, and their English isn't adequate to say it, I have no problem with them saying it in Spanish. But then I made the effort to learn Spanish (not my native language). I think all teachers of immigrant kids should do this, first so they can communicate with their students and students' parents, second so they can appreciate how HARD it is to learn a foreign language perfectly, and third so they don't get anxious when they hear another common language spoken. Of course, English should be the dominant language in the classroom, but absolutely forbidding any other language is rigid and mean.”
Jstovrit on Dec 5, 2013 at 15:11:32
“This article is very "general" it doesnt have the specifics as to if it is a language problem as in trying to translate, or if it is a problem of these kids just talking in spanish rather than english.
Based on you comment , you seem to think its a problem of translation, if thats the case, I doubt there woulb be a "loud speaker" broadcast to not speak spanish in the class. But maybe you are right.
However, I am tempted to think its about the basic disruption during class of these kids just speaking spanish because they want to, not out of translation problems, and in that case the principal is justified.
The journalist should have been a bit more forth coming in exactly what prompted the principal to make the announcement.”
aaactioncorp on Dec 5, 2013 at 14:31:05
“I paid thousands of dollars for my H.S.daughter to study Spanish at a summer college program. First rule, NO ENGLISH in class! Immersion language techniques are the most effective method of learning a language.”
Karin Zoanelli on Dec 5, 2013 at 13:39:02
“let me answer this: My husband is Italian, I am German, we lived in Bermuda - and our daughter spoke all three languages. she and her parents never spoke any foreign language in front of people we knew did not speak ours. simple courtesy
I see nothing good coming out of kowtowing IN SCHOOL to a group of people - no matter how many they are - in every way including their language.
helping them out is, of course, something entirely different.”
“So, you are suggesting that parents solve their minimum wage financial problems by working 12 - 16 hours per day? I actually know people who do this. Their kids are neglected, unfortunately. When employers pay so little that their workers have to work more than 60 hours per week and/or receive welfare assistance to get by, then employers are not paying their workers enough. Either they are being greedy, or they have a non-viable business and should shut down. And - no - I am not one of those people. I just work with them. As for myself, I actually make too much money. I invest more of it back into my rental business than most owners, save much, and give much away.”
KEPCO on Dec 5, 2013 at 09:14:21
“People must be more responsible for themselves! If you dig yourself into a hole, it's your responsibility to dig yourself out! If one spends too much and wastes what they earn, why should I have to bail them out? If you have too many children, Why should I have to support you and them? You read about people on welfare all their lives and get bigger checks by having more kids which should be a crime! Get some of the 47 million back to WORK!”
“Well, California has high wages and taxes. Many leave. Others take their places. Societies with too many low wage workers are inherently unstable unless people are kept in place by the police and military. I don't mean that low skilled workers should be overpaid, but if your wage for an 8 hour day is not enough to pay rent on modest accommodations, buy food for yourself and your children, pay for clothes, transportation, utilities, etc, then it's too low. Low wage workers should not be getting food stamps, housing subsidies, etc. When they have to get these things to make ends meet, then their employers are being subsidized by the taxpayers. And THAT is wrong!”
KEPCO on Dec 4, 2013 at 20:08:43
“Sue, they will do as the rest of us did! Get another job, get 2 jobs, cut spending,step up in jobs, and on and on! There is only 1 way out- Make more or spend less! Back to economics again!”