“If they are old enough to engage in such behavior, they are old enough to face the consequences. The cuffing was a result of being caught in a PREVIOUS confrontation where I child was forced onto tracks. Apparently they did not "get the message" the first time and had another fight.”
“But you would be "fine" with your child getting into a violent confrontation, at age 9, possibly killing or permanently maiming another child. These kids committed a serious crime. If they had indeed pushed the other child and he/she were hit and killed by a train, it would be a totally different tone....and the parents would be the 1st to be blamed for their child's horrific behavior....”
gay4god on Apr 2, 2012 at 19:05:36
“Kids fight. deal with it. they make snowballs around chunks of ice and rock and throw them at eachother and do all sorts of things tht they don't reason out the consequences for. That is called...wait for it...childhood. It is up to adults to explain the consequences and to discipline the children when necessary. And, in particularly egregious instances, sometimes kids need to be scared straight with an arrest and a visit to jail. And there are almost no instances where a 9 year old kid needs to be arrested in front of the entire school and put in a holding facility with much older kids.
In this instance, the fight between the children had happened a week before the arrests. There is absolutely no reason at all that these kids could not have been arrested at their parent's homes, outside of school, IF arrest was warranted. It sounds like it was a nasty fight but you knee-jerk police staters have to realize that at 9 years old, a child does not have the capacity to reason out their actions veryt far into the future. Their impulse control is almost nil, ESPECIALLY if they are subject to abuse or neglect at home or have the ADD.
The fact that a 9 year old can get arrested for anything less serious than attempted murder or asalut with a deadly weapon in this country should seriously worry people.”
justwhendoesitend on Apr 2, 2012 at 18:56:49
“Not entirely true you have to look at broader circumstances. Many times parent can not control their children due to circumstance beyond parents control and parenting. So unless you have a case to blame the parent investigate first.”
ethelmertzrules on Apr 2, 2012 at 18:54:46
“That is WEAK. No amount of rationalization justifies cuffing elementary school children for the reason of officer safety. BS.”
ruolivert on Apr 2, 2012 at 18:46:48
“Children constantly get into violent confrontations because they don't fully understand the consequences of violence. Kids can get killed and permanently maimed doing many of the things they are fond of doing. Cuffing 9 year olds is over the top because I guarentee you all of these kids will see fights in the future and wonder why thoes just get broked up and they had to get arrested”
“Sorry, but for the parents to say "My Child My Child, blah blah blah" - look at the fact that your child conducted him or herself in such a manner that could have cost the life of another....Forced onto train tracks?!?!?! They are 8 and 9. Serious actions like that require serious consequences...”
gay4god on Apr 2, 2012 at 19:10:59
“Once again, the issue is not that the kids were arrested. It's that the police waited a week before arresting the kids and then, when they did it, they did it in the most traumatic fashion they could - dragging them out of school, in front of all of their friends and teachers, and then placing them in a cell where a 14 year old boy had to expose himself to 9 year old girls to urinate, basically creating a sex crime in the holding cell. These kids were not flight risks. They could have arrested them at their homes with their parents' foreknowledge and could have given the CHILDREN access to a private toilet.
“I am so conflicted about this...as a teacher, sure, you are responsible for the kids in the classroom, but in the same respect, 3rd graders having oral sex wouldnt even be on your radar to look out for! In today's classroom environment, where you have 25-30 kids in a classroom, and are expected to do small group/differentiated instruction for each child, I could totally see the teacher doing guided reading with a group of kids, while the other kids are working independently....if they are quiet, and there is no screaming, crying, laughing, etc...your radar doesnt go off....this is such an odd situation.”
DoberJen on Mar 23, 2012 at 16:27:49
“While I agree with you, I also think about how she finally "noticed" what was happening. Did she see it or did some of the other students realize what was happening and report it to her? Either way, I don't see her as the sole responsible party here...if she was teaching the students these behaviors everyone in class would have been up to something. Mommy, Daddy or the current guardian have some explaining to do.”
Lisa Lute on Mar 23, 2012 at 15:56:44
“Great post. I think we set teachers up to fail in this aspect. We want them to do everything for 25+ students not taking into account just how difficult this is.”