“I see Gadaffi commiting crimes and NATO and the "rebels" comminting the same crimes. Yeah, I'm a bystander to a crime, both sides are criminal. You, on the other hand, have decided that this is a story between Good and Bad people and you have ignorantly picked a side. Now you can dismiss the deads and abuses of the "rebels" because they were inflicted on the "bad guys".
I insist, you rob Paul to pay Peter, that can hardly be called "helping", in fact, it's called the F-ing kiss of death. Also, you know perfectly well that this "help" is going to have to be returned by Libya (or the remains of it. It was days not weeks, remember?). That is one heck of a "help". If you see me in trouble, please do not "help" me, I don't want that kind of "help" and I won't be paying for it. Yours is the last reply, but I don't think I'll read it.”
“The difference between us is that I support neither side. That's why I don't want my country (Spain) or any foreign power with clear economic and geopolitical interests taking sides in a civil war that is going to leave the country more divided, bombed and buried in debt. I don't buy "humanitarian" wars using depleted uranium and letting boats with people, fleeing this very same war, sink in the ocean. I don't want to support Al Qaeda terrorists recruited in Guantanamo, who commit as many crimes as the other side nor show higher moral ground than Gadaffi.
If you want to pick sides at the expense of the civilians on the other side of this civil war, good for you, but even better for the war profiteers. You have great partners.”
Nicholas Azarian on Jun 1, 2011 at 01:44:58
“Being a bystander to a crime and deciding that the whole thing isn't your problem because the victim is fighting back is a stance I do not agree with. I do believe things would be worst in the short and long term in Libya if the world stood by.
While the article you linked and others I read is a concern. I do not see it as putting the rebels on the same moral footing as Gaddafi if most of the people they are rounding up are indeed members of Gaddafi's security forces or loyalists spying or trying to undermine the revolution. It is something to keep an eye on though.
When it comes to wars one side wins and one side loses. I stand with those fighting against the tryant who's reigned for 40 years. Will people die? Yes. It's war. It happens. It's a tragedy, but that is the nature of war. I believe that Libya will have a better future and its people a better life without Gaddafi in charge and in a government where their voice is heard. Partners who help make that happen are far better then those who are content to sit and watch on the sidelines.”
“"But Human Rights Watch has released data on Misurata, the next-biggest city in Libya and scene of protracted fighting, revealing that Moammar Khadafy is not deliberately massacring civilians but rather narrowly targeting the armed rebels who fight against his government.
Misurata’s population is roughly 400,000. In nearly two months of war, only 257 people — including combatants — have died there. Of the 949 wounded, only 22 — less than 3 percent — are women. If Khadafy were indiscriminately targeting civilians, women would comprise about half the casualties."
“I have to seriously question whether those numbers really come from the Human Rights Watch as I did some cross checking and found they come a one Dr Muhammad el-Fortia from Misrata Hospital on April 12. Which is a full month before the Battle of Misrata ended. You can find it at the very bottom of the article of the link I posted:
Also you may notice that according to the Human Rights Watch in that article and I quote,
"Attacks by government forces on the third city of Misrata, the rebels' last major stronghold in the west, have endangered civilians and targeted a medical clinic in violation of international law, Human Rights Watch said Monday."
"We've heard disturbing accounts of shelling and shooting at a clinic and in populated areas, killing civilians where no battle was raging," said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.
Which is completely the opposite of your claim that civilians are not being targeted. From what I can find 551 to 1000 people have been killed, 1000 to 2000 people are missing, and 4000 people have been wounded by Gaddafi loyalists. Also Gaddafi loyalist have shut off water to the city. I think the total numbers will be difficult to verify for some time, but I will keep an eye out. I trust you will do the same?”
“Do you remember what the immediate response was when the US was actually attacked (9/11 of course) - when they figured out the airliners crashing was not an accident - they sent up the available jet fighters - two Air National Guard planes from a base in New England. This country has no real defense, our military is all about offense - fighting wars somewhere else, not here.”
“And bombing Lybia into the stone age is going to do the trick. Did you learn anything in these 10 years of unending wars? Dubya and Tony Blair are on the brink of being indicted for war crimes yet you keep on pushing oil wars forward while complaining about world instability, like a pyromaniac firefighter. You're one amazing country.”
Nicholas Azarian on May 31, 2011 at 18:07:18
“Oh I'm sorry we're bombing Libya into the Stone Age? Yes, how will the Libyans survive without those ammo and gas dumps, command and control bunkers, tanks, comms centers? Oh right, because the more Gaddafi's forces are ground down the less pain and death they can inflict on their fellow Libyans. Oil wars huh? Yeah we're pulling SO much oil out of Afghanistan right? Oh wait, Afghanistan doesn't have any oil, and what's that? Iraq's government is in control of who gets the oil contracts of it oil fields? Yeah some oil war there. Oh and oil was the only thing we cared about it would have been a lot easier to just buy from Gaddafi. Which we were doing. Up until he decided to kill everything in Libya who dares stand up to him.”
dkay888 on May 29, 2011 at 17:15:53
“go smoke some crack hippie!”
jaredbrain on May 29, 2011 at 12:03:12
“bombing them into the stone age took about 9 seconds.”
jimmygwrites on May 29, 2011 at 11:05:29
“Yes, we are an amazing country, thank you.”
toastedrite on May 29, 2011 at 09:47:12
“...And Quaddafi forces are shelling (yes that means large quantities of explosives) his own civilians and cities...
Missed that bit about war crimes indictments...perhaps you could clarify your sources?”
“I have also complaints about the insane coverage and focus on partidism on the Lamestream Media. Also, talkingheads talking about other talkingheads and that making it into headlines and being officially news is kind of annoying, to say the least. It always Beck, O'Reily, Maddox, O'Donell, Anderson Cooper, The View and the rest of the usual boring media drama queens with nothing much to say. Their only known hability is to turn any important issue into a soap opera.”
“If "good handle" means 6 wars and counting, you're right and the military welfare will surely agree. Blaming Pakistan is however kind of ridiculous considering the Bush opening act in the ME and the escalation by Obama.”