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I Did Not Lose to that Man . . . Mr. Obama
I'm sorry, but the theories elsewhere on this site that Hillary Clinton showed "exemplary grit and class" or that "it is no longer up to her" are preposterous.
Hillary managed to make voting for Obama sound like taking Cod Liver Oil rather than like following the most inspirational politician of his generation.
She did not address the two grievances that are being voiced by the Hillary dead-enders: that she really won and that Obama is unqualified.
In baseball they talk about tipping your hat to someone who beats you. Hillary did not tip her hat to Obama. Meanwhile her attack dog Wolfson continues to fight the battle, as Chris Matthews first said, like the Japanese soldiers who continued to fight World War II on islands in the Pacific long after Japan had surrendered.
Hello. You lost.
Moreover, if there was a word of praise for Obama, I missed it. Remember that Hillary seemed to say during the campaign that McCain is qualified and Obama is not. It was her job to undo some of that kitchen sink damage and she did not even try.
The ball is still squarely in her court.
UPDATE: Bill Clinton spent significant time on each of these points, to his great credit. He admitted that Obama won, not that he is a better person, that he won. Bill Clinton also made it clear that he believes Obama is the man for the job, not just our only remaining sane choice, as Hillary would have it.
Either he believes it or it is, as my wife Melissa said, mainly that he is a better politician. In any event, it was good to hear.
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The Hillary drama worked to a certain extent, keeping the press riveted and the convention viewership up.
Given the tensions generated in the campaign, the team of Clinton and Obama managed to cook up a result that compromised as little as possible the prospects of both Obama's candidacy and Clinton's leagacy. As political spectacle, on the balance, it was quite well thought through.
Tepid though her address was, it served and kept people talking, like here. It is now over, and the Hillary supporters are faced with a choice of conscience, whether to vote their emotions or their best interest along with the best interest of the nation.
We really should stop criticizing HRC & BC for their speeches at the Convention.
They should accomplish their goal of facilitating union again.
So, instead of criticizing and looking for perfection instead of understanding their bruises, we should remind Hillary to continue provide her help against now her so pretended alter ego, Sarah Patin.
Some Hillary supporters are clamming now that as, Patin is a "independent", they can vote for McCain ticket without accusation of casting a protest vote. Hillary must quickly denounce these false pretexes.
It is NOT nor has it EVER been HRC JOB to save Obama and the DNC's AS* They made the biggest mistake in history in their "selection" so let them take responsibility for their OWN POOR CHOICE
McCAIN 08
Hillary 2012
You are not Democrat Callidem!
You are the one in which true Democrats should say "Party Unity My Ass"!
Democrats have united and you are now a Republican!
Goodbye!
Why is it so important to you that HRC believes Obama to be qualified? What difference does it make what she thinks when it comes to casting your own individual vote? After all, we're not children.
I don't believe Obama's all that qualified either, but that won't necessarily stop me from voting for him as the best of all candidates remaining.
I also don't think his entire support base voted for him based on his qualifications for the job, but more based on their desire to see him elected to the job. Did you stop to consider that maybe they'd rather see change (of whatever kind) over another potlically/traditionally qualified presidential candidate?
Bill Clinton is a great politician, and great at telling people what they want or need to hear. That's exactly what he did. Does that mean he believes it to be 100% true? Or, as your wife wisely pointed out, that he's merely a better politician and felt it was his role to say so?
HRC said more than enough. I find it quite fascinating that people don't think it's up to Obama to prove his qualifications, rather than have people try to pave his way. We are all (yourself included) free to develop our own opinion, make our own judgments and decisions, based on whatever impressions we have and make of the facts, people, situations, etc. before you.
I suggest you exercise your mind and freedom to choose. Think for yourself.
And I suggest *you* recall that we are, for the most part, a nation of sheeple who can't think beyond soundbites, and who re- elected a pair of sociopaths out of fear. Hillary damned Obama with very faint praise, and that's what many of her woolly sheeple supporters will remember.
Speak for yourself "mmgpsych". I never re-elected any sociopath out of fear.
I also think it wrong to dumb things down in our society and culture, out of some misguided sense that we're a nation of "sheeple".
I would argue that dumbing things down is precisely what created your sociopathic presidency (your description, not mine). Treat adults as adults and you'd be surprised how they'll exceed your expectations.
Spot on.
ditto.
I support O but honestly understand how Hillary and Bill must feel. This can't be easy for them and my hope is to one day cast my vote for the first woman POTUS... Hillary Clinton!
Or maybe... just maybe... Chelsea Clinton :)
Hillary has been excellent at the Convention. Despite what anyone may say about her, in my humble opinion I give her a score of 10 out of 10! Her move for acclamation at the Convention floor was just brilliant!
And Bill, hey what can one say after an incredible speech like that! Barack should put him straight to work in the working class zones. Bubba was incredible.
I have a new sense of respect for the Clintons! They have done what was needed to restore the faith and the unity of our party. And they were absolutely genuine in doing so! Hats Off to them!
Guys you have to stop believing the worst of Hillary Clinton. She did a fantastic job and so did Bill Clinton. Now I know why Hillary supporters get upset when they read our comments. Hillary and her supporters have been very gracious. Lets unite as a party and defend Hillary to people that write things about her that are untrue.
I agree. This whole "attack Hillary for not showing enough respect for Obama" is sooooooo stale. She did what she did. Make the most of it. Move on.
Let's be real. Hillary's supporters are far from gracious. They are a bunch of whiners who took to heart her win at any cost attitude that may still hurt Obama. That remains to be seen. Having said that, it is time to forget all that and concentrate on getting Obama into the White House. I truly believe that if Obama loses and there is even a hint that many of Hillary's attacks contributed in a big way to his loss, her chances of ever running for president will have dissapeared due to her own ambition and greed. Bill was much more gracious with his comments. Did he truly believe all that he was saying during his speech? Probably not. I am a realist not a cynic and these people are like athletes in that they hate losing and have a long memory. He is a master politician and knows that being one of the heads of the party and the face of such, it is up to him to propel Obama's nomination forward. Hillary apparently is still too bitter to realize this and some of her so-called PUMA's, those bitter crows who are whining about her loss, should learn a lesson from Bill and heed her words. Obama should be president if you are a true Democrat and really want what is best for this country.
Hey, maybe we have been expecting too much. maybe that' the best she has got!
I thought she did well, and i will not knock her down, but something was missing for me. I think Hillary has just become very clinical along the way and that is who she is!
She spoke the language that was necessary to reach a particular group. Yeah, yeah HRC is to blame for helping create the rift in the first place but what is done is done. Let them have their sister-to-sister time. We have much bigger fish to fry anyway.
What are you talking about? It was a wonderful speech. Beautiful. Powerful. Moving. It did everythig an Obama supporter (such as myself) could've asked for, and more.
Would you have found it believable if, after running such a hard fought campaign, she had come out with: "What was I thinking running against this guy? He'd obviously make the better President."
Of course not. And I'll tell you -- she and Bill Clinton, who also gave a terrific speech, have both rehabilitated themselves in a lot of Democratic eyes.
They didn't rehabilitate themselves in my eyes and I will never forgive them for the kitchen sink and trying to take over the convention that was Obama's.
nor should anyone forgive them. Hard to negate 20 months of earth scorching tactics, lies, and embellishments with two speeches that lasted under an hour.
And to the author who stated: 'Either he believes it or it is, as my wife Melissa said, mainly that he is a better politician'. Bill Clinton isn't only the better politician, he is the only politician in the family. that is why she ran on his experience having little of her own.
Obama supporters need to stop fixating on Hillary.
Republicans utilized impressive reverse psychology on democratic voters this season. First, they told us Hillary is who they really wanted to run against. (Truth: Hillary was the last person they wanted to run against.)
Now, republicans tell us Obama is not the right choice for dems and they should have nominated Hillary. (Truth: Republicans love the fact that we nominated Obama because that's who they wanted all along.)
It's called reverse psychology for a reason and we all got played. The media don't support democratic principles. They support drama and corporate profits.
It should have been Hillary. Her performance on Tuesday proved that many times over.
Speaking as an Obama supporter, trust me on this... I am not fixated on Hillary (but you are apparently). I disagree with the "Hillary was the last person" theory. It is a pile of dung. But anyway, I hope Obama has your enthusiastic vote.
Nope.
My friend, I think YOU have been played. They truly wanted Hillary to run against because it is no surprise that they have an irrational and unnatural hate for all things Clinton. Hillary has a lot more things in her closet that they could have used against her. It would all be a huge rehash of the scandals we heard so much about during the Clinton years. That's what the campaign would have turned into. Whether they were true or not, the sheep that vote republican believe them all and would have come out in droves just to keep another Clinton from occupying the White House. Kind of like what we liberals should have done to keep another Bush from occupying it. Many conservatives will stay home because Obama is not a major threat to their way of life. He is seen as sharing some of their christian values and, except for the true racists, they won't mind a black man in the white house. Hillary would have brought all the nuts out of the woodwork.
Yes, some of us remember the eight yrs. when Bill was the Prisedent. Obama would do the same, we hope.
The difference is, Bill Clinton has nothing else to prove, and Obama still needs to show us , when he is elected , that we can look back at his Presidency with pride !
"Obama supporters need to stop fixating on Hillary."
Obama supporters are actually saying the opposite, that She did a good enough job in Her speech, jack-o.
Your analogy of reverse psychology would insinuate that you bozo's actually fell for "operation chaos", dummy.
If they really wanted to run against O, the correct reverse psychology would have been for them to push for O, not Hills, stupid.
I thought Hillary's speech was perfect. Her mission was to unite the party and give a convincing argument to her die-hard supporters that they needed to get behind Obama -- and she did that, hands down. I have no complaints about her speech and I think that had she spent the time heaping praise on Obama, her speech would have lacked sincerity.
something new for her: a lack of sincerity?
I thought Hillary's speech was part 1 and Bill's was part 2. Hillary talked about unity within the party, unity to go against the republicans and why we need to do this. Bill, spoke about the specifics since he is uniquely positioned to do so. As an ex-President, it meant more for him to speak about Obama's qualifications and preparedness than if it had come from Hillary.
I like this take on the speeches. Truth be told, Hillary and Clinton are a two for one combo always. Looking at there speeches in this way makes them seem very effective.
Gosh,
It will be such a fantastic era when BO gets elected.
Lower taxes, No more right to work states (those great economic growth number for those states; lies, all lies). No more Katrina disasters (Federal hurrican insurance!!).
Health care and housing for everyone. No more crime, wars, or strife. We will finally all be equal.
My god it will be like we died and went to heaven.
Maybe I will finally get that pony I always wanted too.
Come on, it's about making smarter choices to reduce the likely hood of social, economic, ifrastructual, diplomatic and national security failures that have plagued this nation for the last 8 years.
The only guarentee is that we will try to make this nation stronger with stronger respect for our constitution.
Also, it will take the effort of all of us. Don't be afraid, change or die.
I fully agree. However, I suspect scottman1085 may be like most republicans I've met, i.e., a reflection of Dubya's narrow, incurious view, and unable to consider a rational response.
Who? Who making smarter choices? The government?
I see... you think that if we all work harder (to oversee the government), then the government will work better.
I would have a better chance of getting that little pony I always wanted.
I agree. That was the one thing I wanted ALOT more of at the convention. I wanted to hear how the constitution was going to be restored. That is why repugs are really scared of O; they know he will have all those extended executive powers they created and instead of it being for their profit...it might be for the people's benefit.
Want a pony? Don't aim so low. Instead, have a good laugh (posted by ardent Obama supporter, but with a sense of humor):
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/friday-happy-hour-life-in-an-obamatopia/
RU, you will need a sense of humor with Obama as president.
Don't know if you're being sarcastic with the pony comment, but the other things you say are very true. All though I wish from the depths of my heart that Obama wins, I am a realist and know that it will take a long time for Obama to undue the damage the IDIOT-IN-CHIEF has done to this country. As far as right to work states go, I, unfortunately live in TX, and this is an example, a microcosm, if you well, of everything that is wrong with this country. If people would have delved deeply into how TX is run, it's healthcare, childcare, insurance, education system, etc. that Senor Bush helped to create, they would have run the other way. Shows you that research is not overrated but, then again, many people who vote republican couldn't research if you pulled up the pages for them and read it to them.
You don't know if I am being sarcastic??
You want the government to take care of you?? Why the hell would you want that? Because they will do a good job? Come on you are smarter than that.
I have done extensive research to learn that the Texas economy(as almost all right to work states) is far better than Michigan's.
I'm an Obama supporter, and I disagree. She came through more than I expected.
Obama must lose if Hillary wants to be president. The Clintons will do every thing possible to make this happen.
Only fools would fail to see this.
Wrong.
If Obama loses, his fanatics will do their best to place all the blame on the Clintons rather than address the fact that Obama has failed to take a hard line on any particluar stance or against McCain.
And in turn, these fanatics will do everything in their power to bitterly keep Hillary from ever reaching the White House. If Obama loses, Hillary will never win.
You are right on with that. As a fanatic, I wouldn't vote for her for dog catcher!
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