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Israel-Palestine Plate Heating Up

Posted: 04/21/11 02:52 PM ET

Helene Cooper of the New York Times has published a great what's up story on the new behind the scenes scramble by the Obama administration, Prime Minister Netanyahu and various Palestinian officials to act as if they have some plan to move the peace process forward -- when in fact, most of it is insincere posturing and speechifying designed to pour concrete on what has thus far been failure.

Brookings' Martin Indyk is quoted calling out all this public flapping in the Cooper piece:

"Instead of focusing on peace-making, everybody seems to be focused on speech-making," said Martin S. Indyk, vice president for foreign policy at the Brookings Institution and a former United States ambassador to Israel. "And unless the speeches generate peace negotiations, making speeches will not generate peace."


But the reality is that the president of the United States knows that he can't "do nothing" on Israel/Palestine. As U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice warned in her powerful comments today at the United Nations, violence is heating up. She accused Hamas and others of targeting innocent civilians -- and called for calm. But there is little likelihood that the component pieces of the Israel-Palestine puzzle will willingly accept the status quo, particularly one in which Israel keeps expanding its settlements in Occupied territories.

Daniel Levy, my colleague who directs the New America Foundation/Middle East Task Force, also said to Cooper, Netanyahu and Obama are both in competition to control the frame surrounding Israel/Palestine issues -- they feel the need to rush forward, but neither seems willing to do what needs to be done to achieve real negotiations and a fundamental breakthrough.

Cooper reports from Daniel Levy:

"People seem to think that whoever goes first gets the upper hand," said Daniel Levy, a former Israeli peace negotiator and a director at the New America Foundation. Using Mr. Netanyahu's nickname, he said: "If Bibi went first and didn't lay out a bold peace plan, it would be harder for Obama to say, actually, despite what you said to Congress and their applause, this is what I think you should do."

The political gamesmanship between the two men illustrates how the calculation in the Middle East has changed for a variety of reasons, including the political upheaval in the Arab world. But it also shows the lack of trust and what some officials say is personal animosity between Mr. Obama and Mr. Netanyahu.


U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice at a Security Council debate this morning reiterated that the U.S. remained committed to a two-state solution, did not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity, and said that it is in the interest of both parties in the conflict and the world to negotiate. Rice outlined America's support for the efforts of the Palestinian government, and the unmentioned Salam Fayyad, to lay the foundations for a future Palestinian state -- building public institutions, enhancing their capacity and laying the groundwork for quality economic growth.

She condemned the death of innocent civilians recently and the escalation of rocket and mortar fire from Gaza.

But this speech by Rice, while important, falls short of a plan.

What is missing is President Obama's vision for what needs to be done to achieve a stable equilibrium between Palestine and Israel -- not full details, but at least an outline of expectations and goals.

Obama seems unwilling to make his own weather in the Middle East, and his team and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton seem to cling to the bizarre notion that, after so many examples when both Israeli and Palestinian leaders have failed to mature and act responsibly about their long-term mutual interests, they would all of a sudden begin to do so. Israel's short-term interests and long-term interests are different -- and thus in the short term, with a party that Israel fundamentally does not trust, it is hard for Israel to make the jump to do a deal that secures its long-term survival and interests in the region.

Israel's government, even under Netanyahu, probably doesn't have the legs to do a real peace deal at this point -- and the Palestinian Authority is in the same boat, though with more leaky holes springing water and sinking.

What will move the process forward is American and Quartet leadership that doesn't make the conflict one just between these two parties. Their failure has become globally consequential and reinforces an impression of American foreign policy impotence.

It's important for the president of the United States to kick forward a serious plan laying out his expectations -- and then a subsequent plan embraced by regional and global stakeholders to actualize it.

Otherwise, Indyk is completely right that what we are hearing from all quarters are meaningless speeches achieving nothing.

Steve Clemons publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note. Clemons can be followed on Twitter @SCClemons

 

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Helene Cooper of the New York Times has published a great what's up story on the new behind the scenes scramble by the Obama administration, Prime Minister Netanyahu and various Palestinian officials ...
Helene Cooper of the New York Times has published a great what's up story on the new behind the scenes scramble by the Obama administration, Prime Minister Netanyahu and various Palestinian officials ...
 
 
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BcemXAHA
Yerushalaim shel zahav
04:52 PM on 04/24/2011
In the past week, I have received several threats on Facebook. All those threats informed me of some kind of a Palestinian uprising that is supposed to take place on May 15th, 2011. Each of these emails which were in my inbox said the same thing. That this third intifida will be hard, it will be difficult and violent, but that in the end the Palestinians will persevere through the slaughter of all Jews and the land of Palestine will be "reclaimed".

Needless to say, I reported each and every profile that emailed me this drivel.

But was wondering about such a mindset, what type of people would dream of the demise of an entire race?
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Beachmaster1
09:37 PM on 04/24/2011
The same mentality that we encounter at times on this board!
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TheLonelyGod
The oncoming storm
02:36 AM on 04/25/2011
There isn't going to be any "third intifada."
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omobob
left coast, usa
01:45 PM on 04/23/2011
> With the Palestinians holding no cards and having no leverage, they come to the table more as supplicants, than negotiators. And the Israelis who, for their part, hold all the cards, and declare, in advance, which cards are "off the table"; they do more dictating than negotiating.

The Israelis would never make any offer that would be accepted. They will never live next to a separate Palestinian State recognized by the UN. Never.
hfpf
Wake up World.
11:03 AM on 04/23/2011
>>>>>>It's important for the president of the United States to kick forward a serious plan laying out his expectations -- and then a subsequent plan embraced by regional and global stakeholders to actualize it.

What hubris!!! Israel is a sovereign country. Would Obama cave to the expectations of Sarkozy or Cameron concerning the future of the US? Netanyahu's responsibility is to Israel and her citizens, not to Obama and the US. If Obama wants to withhold aid, then so be it, Israel will survive without it.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
12:51 PM on 04/23/2011
Israel cant survive in the big nasty old world without US patronage. It cant survive without US weapons, US intelligence nor 3 Billion dollars a year in juicy, juicy US tax payer cash.

The true hubris lies with Israel supporters that think the world is going to continue to sit idly by and watch Israel steal land and resources from other countries and keep an entire population prisoner.

The Israeli honeymoon over.
hfpf
Wake up World.
01:03 PM on 04/23/2011
Only in your narrow mind.
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Beachmaster1
02:14 PM on 04/23/2011
Sorry to bust your wishful thinking fantasies pal, but "the world" is not so concerned with Israel and the Palestinians other than giving the Palestinian cause lip service due to their proccupation watching the events unfold regarding the egregious crimes against humanity ,murder, being conducted by your Arab buddies in Iran, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and other countries.

Btw, although you are procuppied with wishful thinking but if necessary Israel would be able to survive without economic assistance from the US. However, the Palestinians, who have never contributed anything to civilized society would crumble if they were taken off the welfare dole they have been receiving for years.
04:20 PM on 04/24/2011
'Israel is a sovereign country".

And so was Serbia, Iraq, Libya, etc.
hfpf
Wake up World.
10:36 PM on 04/24/2011
your point is?????
11:39 PM on 04/22/2011
As much of their land as is possible should be returned to the Palestinians. Compensation and apologies should be offered for the pain and distress they have suffered through the long years of dispossession and oppression. A truth and reconciliation process should be set in place with Israel opening its suppressed archives to further facilitate proceedings. This is now happening in enlightened post-colonial nations. Then there will be a chance of peace.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
03:26 AM on 04/23/2011
Another area in which racism is evident is the differential implementation of the law. Take, for example, the practice of house demolition within Israel. Mind you, we are not speaking here of the savage collective punishment practiced by the Israeli occupying forces against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. We are speaking of the practice of demolition of homes built without permit within Israel proper.

In absolute numbers there are more illegally constructed structures in Jewish communities, but the demolition is practiced almost exclusively against Arab home owners. The basis for the construction of homes without permit is also rooted in discriminatory practices in the laws of zoning which in many cases have retroactively criminalized all residents of many villages whose existence predated the state, itself. Such “Unrecognized Villages†are frequently the site of home demolitions.

The cumulative end result of all the openly discriminatory laws, the hidden disadvantages, and the differential application of the rules and regulations are clearly seen in comparative figures from officially published data of the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics.
09:03 AM on 04/23/2011
Destroying Arab homes is long-practiced and established Zionist doctrine. It has become kosher for Israelis to turn Palestinians into the new Jews of history.
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Beachmaster1
02:21 PM on 04/23/2011
So you want reparations just as certain other ethnic groups in the US demand similar paymen indefinitelyt! Very interesting. It is the Middle East's version of affirmative action whereby the so-called undedog (who murder israeli infants, children and women) develop an entire culture revolving around externalizing blame on everybody but themselves for their not being able to evolve into a independent and fully functioning society. In short a perpetual welfare state, and that is the direction you are indicating the Palestinians are heading; complete economic dependence on others due to YOUR awareness that they are inacapable of pulling up their own bootstraps and succeeding on their own. Public Welfare in the Middle East. What a joke.
05:37 PM on 04/25/2011
I find it interesting that those sitting on a hill over looking poverty always are telling people without boots to pull them boots straps up..well got to have those boots first. I do think that all the support from the us would classify of helping som ewith boots get a free polish and a swimming pool or two..
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Garbaj
What is the Matrix?
05:23 PM on 04/22/2011
both the u.s. & israel know that TACIT acceptance by the general assembly means that israel can no longer use the same playbook in its dealings with it's neighbour. if the world recognizes a state of palestine, then it certainly won't sit idly by while israel ILLEGALLY BLOCKADES part of that nation...!!!

unfortunately hamas, once again, has fallen for the same old tired play. once more rockets are being fired into israel...and of course, israel MUST respond to such an attack upon it's land...often with overwhelming force...!!!

and when all is said & done, NOTHING WILL HAVE CHANGED...!!!

the BEST thing hamas can do right now is to find a way to sit down with fatah & heal their differences; to ACCEPT the fact that a SOVEREIGN state of palestine is the END GAME...and nothing; not even their mutual distrust of israel should take their eyes off the prize...!!!

the LAST thing you EVER wish to do is cross swords with israel, on the eve of Passover when you're attempting to convince the u.n. that you're SERIOUS about running your own country...!!!

and if hamas isn't CLEVER enough to recognise when they're being DELIBERATELY PROVOKED into acting against their BEST INTERESTS, then perhaps they don't deserve to run their own country.

israel has NOTHING to lose with the u.s. backing its play...and hamas has no ace in the hole...!!!
06:18 PM on 04/22/2011
Exactly how did Israel "provoke" Hamas into firing at a school bus, killing a 16 year old? And what if Hamas and the P.A. actually mean what they say? What if "a sovereign state of Palestine" is NOT the endgame, but rather the destruction of the Jewish state, and extermination of it's population?
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Garbaj
What is the Matrix?
11:44 PM on 04/22/2011
i'm not interested in playing "tit for tat" when it comes to civilian deaths. we BOTH know the disparity that exists. no more needs be said on that...!!!

the 'destruction' of the jewish state by a sovereign palestine will NOT happen simply because the u.s. in particular, and the world in general, would NEVER allow such a thing to happen. besides which, israel has more than enough MILITARY MIGHT to defend itself, so we can put that idea to rest...!!!

thank you for your post...!!! :)
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
11:57 PM on 04/22/2011
In the weeks leading up to the allack Israel repeatedly bombed and mortared the Gaza strip killing at least 8 in one day,March 22, alone.

Palestinian medics in Gaza identified the dead as Muhammad Jihad al-Hilu, 11, Yasser Ahed al-Hilu, 16, Muhammad Saber Harara, 20, and Yasser Hamer al-Hilu, 50. The identity of the third adult was not published, Ma'an said.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/03/22/At-least-8-Palestinians-killed-in-Gaza/UPI-17741300811466/#ixzz1KJbMyEIn
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08:00 PM on 04/22/2011
if it were your child, on that big yellow school bus, that was intentionally targeted….
(causing the de.ath of a 16 year old i might add)….i bet you'd be singing a very different tune.

if it were your family, blown up at a seder dinner, or in a pizza parlor…you'd be singing a different tune.

None of those people "provoked" anything.
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Garbaj
What is the Matrix?
11:53 PM on 04/22/2011
hmmm....and how many civilians and innocents have been killed in the retaliatory israeli tank & airstrikes...???

once again, i'm not interested in playing "tit for tat" here...the numbers of deaths speak for themselves...!!!

i'm sure you're not naive enough to believe that "people provoked anything"...!!!

if you care to discuss the politics of my argument, you know where to find me...!

thank you for your post...!!! :)
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Talab
I tot i taw a putty tat
05:42 PM on 04/24/2011
Probably about the same tune that is heard in Gaza on a weekly basis instead of once in a blue moon in Israel (Nice try no banana)
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
05:22 PM on 04/22/2011
Not only do the White House and Israeli cabinet lack the cojones to put forward a realistic proposal, they are also working against the only man in the whole Middle East with a plan: Salam Fayyad.

Given that all else has failed, why not give him active support? He couldn't do any worse than the White House, Quartet and Israeli cabinet over the past five years if he tried.
batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
04:07 PM on 04/22/2011
The life blood of Israeli dominance & hegemony in the ME is US aid, somewhere approaching $10 billion (when all is counted) annually. That coupled with the subversion of our Congress by Israel & their supporters, have kept the Israeli state able to maintain the Occupation & brutal illegal colonization of Palestinian land & theft of water resources. The illegitimacy of the settlements is undeniable, & arguably much of the rest of Israel, also taken by force of arms, but some things will not be changed, & a viable Palestinian state most likely be based on the pre-'67 line & east Jerusalem as capital. It's clear that any just peace will be fought tooth & nail by Israeli fundamentalist self-absorbed extremists, as they have for decades. Obama has too many domestic pressures from the subversion of our nations foreign policy by the Lobby & its supporters/sycophants in Congress to make really substantive moves to regain "honest broker" status (if that was ever the case), & really press for peace, & until public pressure in the US, Israel (as we're beginning to see), & the rest of the world demands an end to US lap-dog status to the Israeli agenda & their longed-for conquest of all of Palestine & a final end to the Occupation, their apparently will be no forceful movement by the Obama administration to demand a just peace, or any future US government for that matter. Hopefully the pressure is building to justice for the Palestinians & an
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Beachmaster1
04:35 PM on 04/22/2011
Nonsensical propaganda ranting!. While Syria, Libya, Iran, Yemen and other arab countries are murdering, torturing and imprisoning tens of thousands of their people merely for protesting for basic human rights and dignity, this poster has the gall to rant obsessively regarding his distorted beliefs regarding Israel being demonic!

We are not blind nor idiots and this poster nor his Arab states can point a finger at anyone accusing them of injustices considering the fact that they are engaged in mass murder and inhumane tratment of their own people, which clearly reveals their lack of regard for human life, not only of their people and the Israelis, but the Palestinians as well. What hypocrisy!
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Garbaj
What is the Matrix?
12:16 AM on 04/23/2011
dear beachmaster1: unfortunately i was not able to find your response to my original comment, so i'll respond here.

please do me a favour, take a breath then re-read my comment in its ENTIRETY and then if you care to respond, comment on the POLITICS of what i wrote...!!!

these emotional arguments about who did what to who when & for what reasons are tiresome & silly...!!!

you seem like a fairly well spoken person, and while i am acutely aware that its often difficult for many to distill their emotions from reasoned analysis, i'm holding out HOPE that perhaps you can discuss the POLITICS of my argument...!!!

time will tell...thank you for your post...!!! :)
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Greg Mirsky
Riga dimd, Riga dimd, Kas to Rigu dimdinaj?
03:03 AM on 04/25/2011
Anti-Israeli camp will let Arab dictators, along with Persian dictators on any other dictators, to kill and torture own people but would not allow Israel to defend its citizens regardless of their religion or ethnicity. And then some of anti-Israeli refer to themselves as liberals and progressives without any objection. Since I'm neither I can only assume that all liberals and progressives pretty much tolerate dictatorships in Arab countries as long as these countries are enemies of Israel. But they will oppose any dictator or authoritarian who will decide to maintain normal relationships with Israel.
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Vlady
Better Late
04:43 PM on 04/22/2011
>>The life blood of Israeli dominance & hegemony in the ME is US aid, somewhere approachin­g $10 billion

It's stunning how limited your fantasy about things are. Let me help you a bit. The real help isn't $10b but rather $911b. Please incorporate it in to your fact book.
batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
05:20 PM on 04/22/2011
Thats $10 billion annually Vlady, as I stated; please read carefully. What is your figure of $911 billion, a cumulative aid total over 50+ years?
batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
05:29 PM on 04/22/2011
At least one researcher puts the costs to the US taxpayer for support of Israel at $3 trillion. http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/251/4641-the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-3-trillion.html
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Tasies
03:49 PM on 04/22/2011
Why another article on US designs as far as this issue? Most by now should know, that the US is as dishonest a "third" party can be in this context. Outside of Israel, whatever stance the US takes with regards to the Palestinian/Israeli issue should be completely dismissed and classified under cynical hackneyed claptrap.
batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
06:55 PM on 04/22/2011
Exactly so Tasies. "Claptrap" is a great descriptive, one I'm also very fond of.
02:52 PM on 04/22/2011
I wonder how many of the Israel defenders posting here would willingly give up their land and homes to make room for those, some third party has givern it to? I believe any real American patriot would vow to "fight to the death", such an illegal act. Why is it different for the Palistinians?
hfpf
Wake up World.
11:39 AM on 04/23/2011
Tell it to the Native Americans. what NA land are you living on?
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Shingo
12:58 AM on 04/28/2011
>> Tell it to the Native Americans. what NA land are you living on?

Infantile response. Since 1945, the world has agreed to laws that make land theft and ethnic cleansing illegal.
02:39 PM on 04/22/2011
Israel is disgracing itself by negotiating with the Arab colonizers and imperialists!
What a shame!
02:15 PM on 04/22/2011
The Arabs have made it clear that they are not concerned at all about the Palestinians. But the Arab and Islamic world exploit the Palestinian cause in order to cause Israel’s demise and as a lighting rod for all the unemployment, poverty, and ignorance that the majority of their benighted citizens suffer.
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Beachmaster1
04:48 PM on 04/22/2011
Yes, that is so, In addition, the Arabs are also using the lives of the unfortunate Palestinians to wage their proxy war against the Israelis due to their understanding that they could not defeat the Israelis in a military confrontation. So they pay these poor sucker Palestinian suicide bombers families money for the death of their sons/daughters. In fact, if Israel disappeared today, the Palestinian issue would disappear as well due to their Arab brothers having no further use for them! We also know for a fact that NO Arab nation wants the Palestinians to live within their borders as when the King of Jordan in 1970 killed and expelled thousands of Palestinians in Jordan (known as Black September).
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Shingo
12:59 AM on 04/28/2011
>> So they pay these poor sucker Palestinia­n suicide bombers families money for the death of their sons/daugh­ters. In fact

They stopped doing that 3 years ago.

Time to update your talking points.
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Anybodyseenthepopos
Like you Really give a rats...
08:19 PM on 04/22/2011
Perfectly Put!
Faved.
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tallen
panem et circenses
02:09 PM on 04/22/2011
The grand Kabuki dance.
No one can force the palestinians to accept peace.

The palestinians have refused to come to the table and even discuss the idea. For one thing, they still retain the dream of exterminating Israel. They also see the uprisings around them and the apparent rise of Islamists as a sign that perhaps there will yet be one more pan arab attempt to wage war on Israel.
On the other hand, the Israelis see the same uprisings as well as the recent statements by the Muslim Brotherhood of the abrogation of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty and wonder if any agreement will be worth the paper it is written on.
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Manchurian
With Liberty and Justice for All
03:54 PM on 04/22/2011
When you attempt to dehumanize both Palestinians and Arabs by refusing to capitalize their names, tallen, you reveal the true root of Israeli/Palestinian conflict: you treat the indigenous Palestinians as less than human – stealing their lands, destroying their crops, poisoning their wells, and depriving them of basic human rights.

Until you realize the Palestinians are in every way the equals of the Israelis, you can not be a partner in peace.
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05:13 PM on 04/22/2011
in the meantime, can u refute anything he said, or were u just making a point through
personal atakk while u accuse others of not being able to be a "partner in peace".

it goes both ways you know….one can't ask for respect if one doesn't give it.
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Anybodyseenthepopos
Like you Really give a rats...
08:20 PM on 04/22/2011
Yes it's all about spelling and grammatical correctness.
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
05:24 PM on 04/22/2011
Abbas was talking to Olmert even before Netanyahu was kinda-more-or-less voted into power. It never stopped settlement expansion and political assassinations. Has anything really changed?
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Robert Frank
My last name is FRANK so thats what I am..
08:48 AM on 04/22/2011
these jack-asses will NEVER make peace..this will go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on....the only way is for the WORLD to tell them BOTH make peace NOW or we ALL will shun you and have absolutely NOTHING to do with you...no trade...no tourism...no nothing...
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
09:33 AM on 04/22/2011
Kind of a one sided approach as the Palestinians already have nothing, but hey, go for it.
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12:33 PM on 04/22/2011
and it is no ones fault but their own.
when ones goal is to eliminate an entire country and its people,
should they be given carte blanche by that country?
06:11 PM on 04/22/2011
Yes, IF you already have nothing, what good is it to refuse getting something? Mighty Mousey is roaring, but he is not delivering, nor does he intend to deliver a thing. Abbas is just on one of his regular begging tours to fill his own bankd accounts. Abbas is not a legal representation for Palestinians. Palestinians have NOT voted for him.Just take a good hard look at what Momsy is doing. He is on tours stating tht he will DU clare Palestine in September - that is in five months. But, he has no money to do so, not een for the DUH claration, so he is colelcting *contributions*. Those *contributions* would be needed for fiscal responsibilities. He is also asking for renewal of the Peace Talks, which, he will again, not attend, and on and on it goes. All that possibly changes is the balance in Momsy Abbas' private accounts.
I have nothing against camels with red hats, and peaked white faces. Nor have I one thing against Palestinians and their State. But I do not see anything constructive that would make it come to pass, and really now, camel, neither do you!

If you have not, you must WORK to get. Get a CONTRACT. It will not do to say I will not work and I DEMAND that you GIVE ME. Am I right?

Granny is just being practical. And you?
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09:52 AM on 04/22/2011
Nothing on earth goes on forever, so this too shall end, although given the relative sizes of the two groups, I suspect that Israelis will NOT like the final settlement.

It is impossible for the US to protect Israel forever and it is impossible for Israel to suppress the Arabs forever, so once the US is completely neutered and the Arabs have sufficient power, I think we can all figure out how the situation ends up.

Hint: most of the Israelis that have a spare non-Israel passport will use them to go to a safe place.