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This month will mark the 46th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. A recently declassified oral history by Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, President Kennedy's military aide on the Dallas trip, sheds new light on the critical hours after the shooting. McHugh makes startling claims about Lyndon Johnson's behavior in the wake of the assassination.
The interview with McHugh, originally conducted for the John F. Kennedy Library in 1978, remained closed for 31 years. It was finally declassified in the spring of 2009. I just happened to be working at the Kennedy Library on the day the interview was opened to the public and have used it for the first time in my new book, The Kennedy Assassination -- 24 Hours After.
After being informed at Parkland Hospital that Kennedy was dead, Johnson raced back to Air Force One, where he waited for Mrs. Kennedy and the body of the slain president, and made preparations to take the Oath of Office. Back at the hospital, the Kennedy group loaded the body into a coffin, forced their way past a local justice of the peace, and hurried back to Love Field for the long ride back to Washington.
It was standard practice for the plane to take off as soon as the commander-in-chief was onboard. Even after McHugh had ordered the pilot to take off, however, "nothing happened." According to the newly declassified transcript, Mrs. Kennedy was becoming desperate to leave. "Mrs. Kennedy was getting very warm, she had blood all over her hat, her coat...his brains were sticking on her hat. It was dreadful," McHugh said. She pleaded with him to get the plane off the ground. "Please, let's leave," she said. McHugh jumped up and used the phone near the rear compartment to call Captain James Swindal. "Let's leave," he said. Swindal responded: "I can't do it. I have orders to wait." Not wanting to make a scene in front of Mrs. Kennedy, McHugh rushed to the front of the plane. "Swindal, what on earth is going on?" The pilot told him that "the President wants to remain in this area."
McHugh, like most members of the Kennedy entourage, did not know that Johnson was onboard. They believed that the new president was on his own plane flying back to Washington. If LBJ was on the plane, McHugh wanted to see for himself. Since he had not seen Johnson in the aisle -- and at 6'4" Johnson would be tough to miss -- McHugh assumed that he must then be in the bedroom. When he checked there Johnson was nowhere to be seen. The only place on the plane he had not inspected was the bathroom in the presidential bedroom.
What McHugh claimed to have witnessed next was shocking. "I walked in the toilet, in the powder room, and there he was hiding, with the curtain closed," McHugh recalled. He claimed that LBJ was crying, "They're going to get us all. It's a plot. It's a plot. It's going to get us all.'" According to the General, Johnson "was hysterical, sitting down on the john there alone in this thing."
I soon discovered that McHugh had told a similar story when he spoke by phone with Mark Flanagan, an investigator with the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA). Ironically, McHugh gave the interview to the HSCA a week before he sat down with the Kennedy Library in May 1978. "McHugh had encountered difficulty in locating Johnson but finally discovered him alone," Flanagan wrote in his summary to the Committee. Quoting McHugh, the investigator noted that the General found Johnson "hiding in the toilet in the bedroom compartment and muttering, 'Conspiracy, conspiracy, they're after all of us.'"
Author Christopher Anderson claimed that McHugh shared a similar, although slightly more dramatic, version of this story when he interviewed the General for his book Jackie after Jack, published in 1998.
If true, the story is explosive and reveals a completely different side of Johnson than the collected, calm presence he otherwise managed to convey throughout the hours and days following Kennedy's death.
But how credible is McHugh's account?
It is, of course, impossible to confirm or deny whether a private encounter took place between the two men, both of whom are now dead. There are a number of reasons to doubt McHugh's claim. The General intensely disliked Johnson and was fiercely loyal to JFK, and therefore had some reason to invent such a story. Most glaring, McHugh made no mention of what was surely a very memorable encounter in his long interview with William Manchester in 1964. It also stands to reason that if McHugh had witnessed Johnson in a state of utter breakdown, he would have told the story to others within the Kennedy camp. Surely, given how potentially damaging the story would be to LBJ, Kennedy partisans would have leaked it to the media at some point.
Although it is impossible to prove, my gut reaction is that McHugh is telling the truth. We know that Johnson was a man capable of dramatic mood swings, and occasional fits of hysteria were not unusual. McHugh's account of LBJ's behavior is similar to RFK's description of a trembling and tearful Johnson at the 1960 Democratic Convention when it appeared that JFK might renege on his promise to include him on the ticket. It was not surprising behavior to those who knew him best.
We also know from some eyewitnesses that LBJ's secret service agent, Rufus Youngblood, stood outside the door to the bedroom and controlled the traffic into the room. Aides went in and out, but it is possible that McHugh could have found LBJ alone in the bedroom suite.
If true, though, why did McHugh wait until 1978 to tell this story? When Manchester interviewed him in May 1964, McHugh was still in the military, although only a few months away from retirement. Is it possible that he worried the story would be too damaging to his commander-in-chief?
We will never know for sure, but McHugh's account is sure to add to the controversy surrounding that tragic November day in Dallas.
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"I fail to see where this story of Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh waiting so many years to reveal that he saw Lyndon Johnson sitting on the toilet i.e., hiding,stressed out, fearful and repeating, "They are going to get us all...it's a conspiracy." after the murder of JFK is newsworthy."
Actually, he gave the testimony 31 years ago, and it has just recently been made public. Hence, the "newsworthiness."
Why would Lee Harvey Oswald flee the TSBD if he wasn't guilty? Why would he flee to his rooming house, kill Tippit and hide out at a movie theater. The gun found was registered to him and the morning of the assassination, the man driving him to work noticed a long wrapped package Oswald called "curtain rods". At Oswald's rooming house, it contained curtain rods So what was Oswald's intent, do replace perfectly fine current rods with new ones?
After more than 45 years, don't you think at least one person in this conspiracy would come clean?
For those of you believeing in conspiracy, at least admit that I've provided only 3 facts that lead very heavily to the conclusion that Oswald was guilty. I could probably come up with 50 more. In a murder case, normally you have 4 or 5 that lead to the murderer, not 50 or more. LHO did it. He acted alone.
So E. Howard Hunt, on his death bed and confessing he was one of the three "tramps" taken into custody that day on Elm street: lying? Why?
The Dallas cop that testified he was one of the two first cops on the scene of the "sniper's lair" at the TSBD, and saw them take a Mauser rifle (he said he saw "Mauser" distinctly stamped on it) was lying? Why?
The testimony given at the HSCA, where the "unknown" fingerprint found in the sniper's lair was proven to belong to Malcolm "Mac" Wallace, a known associate of LBJ and a convicted murderer, "just happened" to leave his print there?
Did JFK fire the mayor of Dallas' brother? Was this mayor aware of the last minute motorcade route change? Was the fired CIA director appointed to the "Warren Commission" that supposedly investigated the assassination? Were any Federal Reserve officials appointed to the same? Did JFK circumvent the Fed, and order new currency to be issued?
Did JFK order no support for the CIA-led "Bay of Pig's" disaster?
Did this assault focus on Zapata beach in Cuba?
Was G.H.W. Bush the owner of an oil company called Zapata? Were the CIA-commissioned ships that day in Cuba named "The Houston" and "The Barbara?"
Think someone "would have talked", eh? Well, E. Howard Hunt did....you weren't listening.
Astute, concise and clear. You are a courageous patriot for voicing your opinion.
Fanned
Grassy---Thanks for your interest.
Oswald was not innocent. And I do not believe he was guilty.
I believe from evidence, that he was an FBI informant with CIA affiliations too.
When he found out that low level CIA operatives and Anti-Castro Cubans had plans to kill JFK, I believe he told the FBI expecting them to quash the plot. When the gunfire happened, he figured out that his tip was ignored and that he was being set-up. He fleed because he knew he was a marked man. They could have killed him in a shoot-out at the depository and said they had "their man."
I'm not 100% sure if the Tippit Murder was another set-up so they could have a logical excuse to "get" Oswald. Likewise the premise that he just ran into the theater without paying was yet another excuse to apprehend him. I think the theater was a rendezvous place for intelligence operatives and Oswald fully expected to be "rescued" from his plight there. It was not to be.
When the police stormed the theater, he screamed several times in the theater "I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST!" This probably saved his life....for the moment.
Keep Reading (Sylvia Meagher; "Accessories After the Fact")
Grasy, you obviously have a fixed agenda, and I don't intend to persuade you. To answer some of your points seriously, I would imagine myself in shoes of a plotter --- To setup a patsy that can be identified as president's assassin and quickly eliminated, a plotter would set him up as killer of a policeman, for very simple logical practical reason. ALL law enforcement personnel at all levels know instinctively that an alleged president's assassin's life is to be preserved for trial, but not that of an identified policeman's killer, to be shot on sight like a rabbid-dog at any sign of struggle or resistance to arrest by personally enraged fraternal Dallas policemen. That would serve to "kill two birds with one stone" --- liquidated President and permanently silenced assassin's patsy. That answers to peculiar circumstances of Tibbit's shooting death within minutes of President's shooting.
Corroborating evidence of this approach is in Ruby filling in this role as a failsafe backup last resort at the policestation before Oswald was transferred out of Dallas City jurisdiction and start talking under uncontrolled county jail jurisdiction. That accounts for the seeming odd behavior of Ruby perspiring profusely before knowing of Oswald's confirmed death and turning into perfect calm after knowing of Oswald's death. For the plotters and their strategy and logistics to succeed, it was NECESSARY AND ESSENTIAL THAT THE LONE ASSASSIN-PATSY BE ELIMINATED IMMEDIATELY from talking, in order for the elaborate coverstory to hold up without risk of contradiction and exposure.
I fail to see where this story of Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh waiting so many years to reveal that he saw Lyndon Johnson sitting on the toilet i.e., hiding,stressed out, fearful and repeating, "They are going to get us all...it's a conspiracy." after the murder of JFK is newsworthy. I don't think anyone with a modicum of common sense doesn't feel that there was a massive effort to cover up the conspiracy of JFK's murder. Who knows what happened? Those who have partisan perspectives are more likely to tell stories that make the other person look either weak or stupid - both of which General McHugh has done to President Lyndon Johnson. God only knows how he must have felt at that moment and I think it's bad form to write such things without a witness - outside of himself. Personally, I neither liked JFK nor Lyndon Johnson but - God only knows how many more books will be written and profit made over a sad chapter in American history. I also wonder how many bodies have been buried, since that time, in the world of politics....ugly business that world!
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The relevance is that it shows that even big men like Johnson were really scared, and , of what, may we ask? That same fear has dogged every President after Kennedy, and will dog every one to come until we, at least, try to understand what happened at that most critical juncture in American political history.
J Edgar Hoover, Big Texans Oilmen, an Italian hitman, & LBJ & his flunkies.
National tragedy and trauma of a President's murder hasn't healed.
Lesson of Vietnam tragedy hasn't been properly learned by people and leaders.
Lesson of Vietnam-Iraq tragedy episode2 hasn't ended and been properly understood, accounted, and atoned for.
Now lesson of Vietnam-Iraq-Afghanistan tragedy episode3 is about to intensify to run its full course of multi-thousands war casualties, millions of displaced war victims, ruined economies, tattered civil society, shredded constitutional democratic principles, evaporated hopes and dreams of another generation for brighter, more just and decent future.
No, haunting tragedy of President Kennedy hasn't dissipated, like the tragic spirit that continued to haunt Prince Hamlet of Denmark, . . .
"To be, or not to be,
that is the question.
Whether it's nobler in the mind
to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
or to take arms against a sea of troubles, . . ."
Haunting tragedy of President Kennedy has far from ended, in national consciousness of the people, or in repeated tragic misfortunes borne out of dastard deeds that fell a noble prince who valiantly tried to ward off those misfortunes from his people and nation. It's ongoing national trauma of Greek tragedy proportions.
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Friends ask me, and some commenters suggest, "Why bother so much about history and bygone tragedy?"
The simple answer is, "It ain't over till it's over."
The horrendous national tragedy that had befallen this nation upon the murder of President John Kennedy left traumatic injury to people and body politic that had not as yet healed.
The immediate consequential national tragedy of VietnamWar was part legacy of this national traumatic injury. It's taken almost 40years, that legacy of growing militaristic bureaucratic mindset and governmental (military-industrial-congressional) policies that followed in wake of that initial trauma, like an enormous longlasting national PTSS (PostTraumaticStressSyndrome), hasn't abated.
A second episode of that recurring trauma was witnessed just few years ago, and hasn't yet ended in invasion+occupation of Iraq.
Now third episode of that recurring trauma is intensifying and unfolding before people and nation in Afghanistan. Generals and politicians say, "This time it's different. This time it's a 'WAR OF NECESSITY', and it could be "won", if only we throw more troops at it, fly more drones, borrow more war debts, make more enemies, and sacrifice more lives."
I don't believe it. This just goes on and on. Seems the true conspirators, if in a position to do so, would try to divert and confuse the details. Wait a sec... thats exactly what has happened for decades! Be dubious of any "new" revelations. The time has past for the true story and the damage is done. The country that was, fell with JFK. The FBI has been caught lying, about gun powder residue, as a means of criminal ID (see 60 Minutes a few years back). LBJ wanted to demonstrate toughness to imagined conspirators by going to war in Viet Nam. That finished the U.S. forever. We are a sick, rudderless society, tilting at windmills. Generations have been born, that have no idea how the country was before the assassination. That time, that Nation will never be again.
Thank you for that wide-brush stroke of perspective.
You're right....the young'uns have no clue and don't read much.
Keep hammering, sir. You da man and in my fandom!
Most people seem to be in agreement: the official story of the JFK assassination is NOT true. And most people agree: there is some kind of conspiracy at work in these events. This was a long time ago. Since then we have had a number of traumatic events whose circumstantial evidence simply doesn't correlate with the official story spouted by the government. Many times these discrepancies are blatant, and yet they are explained away with theories that defy physics or even common sense.
The media plays along, always framing things with enough reasonable doubt and never quite connecting the dots for the viewers.
Nowadays the word "conspiracy" is always associated with the word "theory."
But clearly, there was a conspiracy of some kind at work. And not just in theory.
9/11 was the exception, though--and we all remember where we were on that fateful day, when Islamic Muslim Al Queda Taliban hijackers, conspiring with Saddam Hussein, took control of two commercial flights and flew them into the trade towers, causing them to collapse and bring down building seven as well.
I don't think you're crazy or misinformed. I think you're intentionally trying to spread disinformation. It has now been proven that the twin towers and WTC7 were brought down as the result of controlled demolition. Who's to say exactly what that means, other than what your last paragraph states of total nonsense. Millions of people around the world are calling for a REAL investigation. As you know, you can't keep a secret forever.
Please... If you honestly believe it has been proven, then you need to at least do a link .
Uh... I think there was more than a "hint" of sarcasm in that last paragraph.
Totally untrue. The WCR got it right.
Do you mean the Warren Commission that included former head of the CIA
Allen Dulles? Wouldn't that be the same Allen Dulles that JFK FIRED after
JFK told insider's on his staff that he was going to"tear the CIA into a
thousand pieces and let it scatter in the wind"? Think about it John..
Why was he even ON that committee? His love for JFK?
Do you know - well...I'm sure you don't actually - that Earl Warren
REFUSED LBJ's request to head up the commission? That's right.
He only came on board when LBJ told Warren that if he didn't , LBJ
would call his buddy J. Edgar Hoover and tell him to "leak"
the info he had in Warren's file on his little "indiscretion" down
in Mexico. John, if you actually read a little bit you would know this stuff.
But.. I understand. It's a lot easier to just watch it on the "History Channel."
After all..if it's on TV, it MUST be true.
Hey John Russell..... Tell us WHY was Eugene Hale Brading/Braden in the DalTex building during the assassination.
Hey John Russell.... tell us why Jack Lawrence left a loaner car in the parking lot behind the grassy knoll and came into work and puked right after the assassination.
Hey John Russell...Tell us why Jean Hill was so viciously treated and why she wrote "The Last Dissenting Witness"
Let us have an answer. I am NOT saying that Oswald was completely innocent. I am saying that there are a lot of needles in the haystack and the Warren Commission is only jabbing the world with one of them.
Pony Up John Russell ANSWER THE EFFING QUESTIONS
LOLOL!
9/11 was the exception, though--and we all remember where we were on that fateful day, when Islamic Muslim Al Queda Taliban hijackers, conspiring with Saddam Hussein, took control of two commercial flights and flew them into the trade towers, causing them to collapse and bring down building seven as well.
"....conspiring with Saddam Hussein..." hahahaha, good one: You had me going there for a minute....
LBJ strongman MALCOLM WALLACE probably took part in the assassination..and his palm print was identified at the scene....
I HEAR YOUR LOUD AND CLEAR, IMAX.
Anyone intereseted in reading the "Men Who Assignated Kennedy", as broadcasted on the Discovery Channel a few years ago, can google the title and follow the links. It's all in writing, now. VERY UNREVEALING!
Correction: The History Channel.
Yet another crack in the facade.
A reminder to us all that things are never as they appear.
Clearly, the History Channel did it.
All this tells me is that Johnson had nothing to do with the JFK assassination and was, rightly, concerned that it was a conspiracy. If he was behaving hysterically as is being said here, it is probably due to the shock of the President's assassination and just plain fear. Sounds human to me. Then he collected himself and went on to do his job.
Everyone---everyone---was scared that day. We know that President Johnson never quite believed the Warren Commission's conclusion and that he had his moments of paranoia. The idea that the Secret Service and Jack Valenti, etc., allowed a US Army General to find the new President cowering in a bathroom is ridiculous.
As has been well documented, the new President, after consultation with the obviously stricken Attorney General, decided that he should be sworn before Air Force One was airborne, and finding somebody to do that, ultimately a judge, and to get her to Love Field, took longer than it might have under less strenuous circumstances.
That the new President of the United States turned out to be an actual human being is not shocking. Trying to still make money over a national tragedy that won't quit, is
When things get too muddied up and complicated, always try to get at the truth by the most direct route.
Fact#1: The entire government apparatus --- CIA, FBI, NSC, Secret Service, and Dallas Police failed to avert the JFK assassination, a near-perfect high-precision public murder of the most important government official, by an alleged "crazed lone gunman".
Fact#2: The same entire government apparatus failed to avert the second murder of the sole suspect in the most important capital murder case, allegedly by another "crazed lone gunman" inside police custody 2 days after the original crime.
Fact#3: 3 years later, this same second "lone gunman" successfully appealed his murder conviction and death sentence. As a date for his new trial was being set, he became ill and mysteriously died of "lung cancer" on January 3, 1967.
Now, based on those bare facts, nothing that this entire government apparatus can do can be trusted to do ANYTHING RIGHT, period ! Whether people call it "conspiracy" or "governmental malfunction by design", (just like "wardrobe malfunction by design" on primetime TV for public consumption), is utterly immaterial and totally irrelevant. The fact and effect is that this government does not protect the people and this democracy.
What to do about it? Well, that's where people really need to think long and hard.
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fact 1. The rifle that k!lled JFK and the gun that k!lled Tippet belonged to LHO. Over 8 people identified LHO as the k!ller of Tippet.
Fact 2. LHO was the only person who left the TSBD after the assassination.
Fact 3. Over 7 witnesses SAW the gun firing from the 6th floor of the TSBD.
Fact 4. A least 2 people were photograped in the 5th floor of the TSBD and these two said not only did the 3 shots come from the 6th floor but that they could hear the bolt of the rilfe and hear the shells hitting the floor above. One actually had plaster in his hair because the bang from the gun loosened the ceiling plaster.
Fact 5 LHO's fingerprints were found on the sniper's nest boxes, the rifle and the bullets were proved to have come from LHO's rifle.
"Fact 1"--The eyewitness testimony in the Tippit murder is all over the place. The key witness had serious visual problems. Another described the killer as short and overweight, which is a description entirely at odds with Oswald's build. One guy even saw two killers.
"Fact 2"-not true. However LHO was seen in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:25 (according to the schedule, the appointed time of the president's motorcade in Dealey) and again at 12:31, a minute or so after the shooting. He was calm, not out of breath, not sweating. I suggest to you that an assassin would most likely be at his post at the time the victim was to arrive, not sitting in the lunchroom.
"Fact 3"--no one saw LHO fire the gun from the 6th floor window except for Brennan who variously testified all over the place. No, it wasn't LHO, yes it was, no it wasn't.
"Fact 4" I don't think anyone doubts that shots were fired from the 6th floor. Nobody, however, can put Oswald there.
"Fact 5"-Oswald worked on the 6th floor handling boxes. How much of a surprise would it be to find his prints there. Your next sentence appears non-sensical to me.
Your fact 1: The rifle was sent to a P.O. Box. No one ever can prove Oswald had that gun at any time. (Marina may have seen a rifle or not...she was scared of being deported and she was secreted away after the assassination by government agents and who knows what she was told then or what she said then. The pistol has a lot of controversy about it, There were different shells found at the scene of the Tippet shooting, from a semi-auto pistol, not the same kind. Several of the Tippet witnesses were proven to be liars or uncertain and they were coached by Arlen Specter in his special way of forcing what he wanted out of people.
The parafin tests done on Oswald showed that he could have handled or shot a pistol and that he most probably did not shoot a rifle. Bugliosi botched this one, for sure.
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Fact 4, the barrel of the rifle protruded outside the window (James Worrell) so the muzzle blast would have been OUTSIDE the DTBD and not inside. The story of plaster falling from that is off the hook. There were other windows open in the DTBD as well.
Howard Brennan: "I saw his picture twice on television before I went down to the police station for the lineup."
Bonnie Ray Williams was on the 6th floor from 12-noon to 12:20 eating lunch
Watch this and then keep a straight face being conclusive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfIwO9uJfio&feature=player_embedded#
I don't know EXACTLY what DID happen, but there were a lot of things that did happen that are completely at odds with the WC report and it would never stand up in court.
I am not sure what you mean by "rifle and bullets" came from LHO's gun. A typo? At any rate, the forensic information, linking the gunpowder in LHO's ammo seems to have been fabricated by FBI labs. The originator of the theory, that the gunpowder in unfired ammo, could be matched to crime scene spent shells, has recanted. The 60 minutes program a few years ago, did a convincing investigation, that the theory was created to support the WC findings. Unfortunately the FBI crime labs kept testifying to its validity in unrelated capital crimes for decades. I don't know who killed JFK, at this late date, what does it matter?
John, please.
LHO had the head-on shot first turn into Dealey Pl.
Did NOT take it.
Inertia and mass (brains, scull cap) do not lie.
miraculous third bullit, et al.
Most of all, who cares?
Today, we besmirch a dead president about his courage.
Should we?
Fact 6. When it was flashed that the shots came from the TSBD, marina Oswald, her landlady and her husband's firts thoghts were that LHO had done it. After meeting with LHO in jail, Marina told the WC that there was no doubt in her mind that LHO had done it.
Fact 6. While in police custoday, LHO lied abt having a rifle but oddly admited that after he left the TSBD, he went to his roming house, changed pants, got his pistol and went to the movies!
Asked why he took a pistol, he said, "I felt like it."
fact 7. LHO spent Thusday night in Irving Texas with his wife, the first time ever he had done that on a wedday night. His rifle was kept there. In the morning, he left his wedding ring on the dresser and left Maria $170 ( he made $1,25/hr- do the math). That morning, he left the house with a brown oblong bag under his arm. He told the co-worker who he was getting a ride to the TSBD with that it was curtin rods.
Fact 8. When police searched the garage in Irving for the rifle which Marina said was wrapped in a blanket, the blanket was empty and the rifle was missing.
et al.
consider your no 7. if he intended to escape and was going to do so without any help it makes little sense to give all his money to Marina.
fact: LHO tried to escape. once captured rather than take credit for his feat he claimed to be a patsy which makes no sense unless he expected some evidence to support that claim. if there was none it makes little sense to claim that. the most sensible and straightforward conclusion: LHO was part of a conspiracy.
Ok, after reading these posts last night and this evening, I then found this week's episode of Mad Men focused on Kennedy's death with lots of live news footage. How odd.
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