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Creationism, Mr. Nye, and Dr Pepper

Posted: 10/05/2012 3:52 pm

Recently, Dr Pepper posted a picture to its Facebook page showing a mock evolution graphic -- a "pre-Pepper" chimp morphing into an upright "post-Pepper" human. There are many such humorous adaptations of this classic monkey-to-man "march of progress" graphic, and the Mad Men working for Dr Pepper probably had no reason to think that their ad would elicit unusual controversy.

Wrong. Immediately after its posting, enraged commenters descended upon the site, ranting against Dr Pepper's tacit endorsement of well-established science taught in every high school biology classroom. Some of their proclamations:

"Well, there goes my support for this company."

"I ain't no freaking chimp. No more Dr Pepper for my household."

"This is showing the theory of men evolving from apes. I have lost all respect for Dr Pepper and if Dr Pepper wants business from thousands of people they will need to apologize."

And this ominous observation: "Dr. Pepper wasn't served until 1885... 3 years AFTER the death of Darwin! Sounds like a conspiracy if you asked me!"

Evolution should not -- in the year 2012, after a century and a half of scientific verification from multiple independent lines of evidence -- be the subject of controversy. Historians of science note that among the community of practicing scientists, serious doubts about evolution faded by the 1870s.

And yet in the United States and a handful of other countries, the topic of evolution provokes a fierce, emotional response from some sectors. This social (not scientific) controversy is especially true when human evolution is taught in public schools. For example, the 1925 Butler Act -- the law under which John Scopes was tried and convicted -- did not technically ban evolution wholesale but criminalized teaching "that man has descended from a lower order of animals." The Tennessee legislature of the 1920s simply was unwilling to accept the reality of common descent with modification for all organisms, including humans, from earlier ancestors.

And there hasn't been a lot of progress since. Science communicator Bill Nye, the "Science Guy," recently found out just how controversial talking about evolution can be.

When Nye released a short video in which he made some common-sense statements about creationism and evolution, there was no reason to think it would become especially viral. Nye remarked that the denial of evolution is uniquely prevalent in the United States. He explained, correctly, that the theory of evolution is as fundamental to the life sciences as the theory of plate tectonics is to the earth sciences. Nye also linked acceptance of evolution with basic science literacy, connecting the denial of science with future economic problems, noting, "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution ... that's fine, but don't make your kids do it, because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future ... We need engineers [who] can build stuff, solve problems."

As Nye's video went viral, racking up over 4.7 million views at the time of this writing, media outlets descended on this story as if they had never heard of a conflict between creationism and science:

"Bill Nye on creationism: It's like teaching the earth is flat"

"Bill Nye anti-creationism debate explodes"

"Bill Nye the Science Guy: Parents, do not teach creationism"

We at the National Center for Science Education -- a nonprofit organization that Bill Nye supports -- know that controversy over the teaching of evolution is hardly new. In our decades of defending the teaching of evolution in public schools, we have observed the same creationist arguments -- some dating from the time of the Scopes trial -- recycled over and over, retooled into newer, spiffier forms, such as "scientific creationism" or "intelligent design" or "academic freedom," but at the core sharing the same grotesque assumptions about science.

Nye's video spoke to many viewers because he clearly and unapologetically called out creationism as the nonsense it is. Nye's great skill as a science communicator is to cut to the core of something and express its essence. Here, creationism isn't simply an "alternative" to evolution; creationism involves such a degree of irrationality that teaching creationism could actually be harmful to the developing minds of children.

Predictably, the creationists responded. Answers in Genesis (AiG) is one of the best-funded creationist ministries, operating the multi-million-dollar Creation Museum in Kentucky, with plans to construct a life-sized Noah's Ark. AiG has a long history of attacking Nye, mockingly awarding him their 2010 "Humanist of the Year" award, and publishing articles such as "Bill Nye's Crusade for Your Kids."

AiG released videos attacking Nye, with its president, Ken Ham, declaring that Nye "doesn't really understand science," and instead promotes "an agenda to teach children not to believe in God." The real problem, according to Ham, is "people like Bill Nye [who] are damaging kids" by promoting evolution.

How could teaching evolution be damaging? AiG thinks learning evolution makes children default to murderous behavior; one of their billboards, unveiled in 2009, showed a kid pointing a gun toward the viewer with the caption, "If God doesn't matter to him, do you?" (Just imagine what such dissolute kids might do if they were chugging cans of Dr Pepper as they learned biology.)

Another AiG piece on Nye warned that he is "out to get your kids for evolution," adding:

I recall watching his program about dinosaurs with my children. In it he and his assistant repeatedly declared that dinosaurs did not live at the same time as people. Yet God reported in Genesis that He created all kinds of land animals on the same day He created Adam and Eve, and dinosaurs were land animals. Who are we to believe, Bill Nye... or God...?

You can't argue with that kind of... um... reasoning.

What we can do is work toward the day when American schoolchildren are taught evolution in the same way as any other well-established scientific idea, without caveats or apologies. With evolution at the center of biology, and thus important to the success of medicine, biotechnology, and agriculture, we can't afford to keep it bottled up or to kick the can.

 
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Recently, Dr Pepper posted a picture to its Facebook page showing a mock evolution graphic -- a "pre-Pepper" chimp morphing into an upright "post-Pepper" human. There are many such humorous adaptation...
Recently, Dr Pepper posted a picture to its Facebook page showing a mock evolution graphic -- a "pre-Pepper" chimp morphing into an upright "post-Pepper" human. There are many such humorous adaptation...
 
 
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outgrowingfear1
Man is growing in consciousness
01:36 PM on 11/21/2012
How does creationism handle the dinosaurs and the 6000 year-creation by god in the bible? And that means creationism will vary from culture to culture.The Mayans for example have their own...and I have mine, too, it has to be taught as well.
12:12 PM on 10/10/2012
People need to calm down, it's just a soda!

Also, people need to realize that neither creationism or common ancestry are in any way a fact, and both have giant flaws in their reasoning, and none have very substantial proof to back up their claims without resorting to a bunch of circular reasoning.

Both believe the other is out to indoctrinate children, and both sides are fighting a frivolous, pointless, meaningless debate that no matter who is right would change nothing.

What is wrong with simply saying "I don't know and probably never will?" People need to learn to accept that there may be things beyond the knowledge of man. At least for now...
01:08 PM on 11/26/2012
The first problem is that people actually know.

The second and more serious problem is that the "I don't know and probably never will" mentality so wrong that I cannot find words to describe it.

It's denying human nature. It's holding back progress.

Let's just imagine that during the second world war, when asked how to break the enigma machine Alan Turing said "I don't know and probably never will", the nazis would have probably lost the war anyway but it would have lasted many more years at the cost of millions of lives.

Let's imagine that while looking at the planets Newton wondered "Can the movements of the planets be described mathematically?" and then though "I don't know and probably never will". Principia Mathematica ("Widely regarded as one of the most important works in both the science of physics and in applied mathematics[...]") would never exist.

I can carry on.

So you ask: «What is wrong with simply saying "I don't know and probably never will?"»
I say: EVERYTHING!
02:47 AM on 11/27/2012
Science thrives on the question of "I don't know," what holds back progress is claiming to know answers when we don't have an adamant conclusion. Making up pseudo-answers, or poorly developed answers holds back progress because then people think it is already answered and forget about it, hence the millions of myths, misinformation, and old wives tales so many people believe that are simply not true, just because so many people think they know something when in fact, they don't.

Saying "I don't know" or "I have yet to have all the answers to this question" or even "I cannot yet draw a conclusion from the evidence at hand" does not hinder anything.

Newton and Turing took the evidence they had at hand and formed a conclusion they thought was accurate, that is what makes science progress. They had an eye for mathematics, and used that to form a conclusion that turned out to be accurate through numerous testing and repetitive usage. If one has advanced knowledge in a subject and wants to try to solve an conundrum, so be it. They know the subject a lot more than you or I do.

(cont...)
02:47 AM on 11/27/2012
(Continued)

In the form of Common Ancestry vs Creationism, one simply cannot "repeat" Common Ancestry, the Big Bang, or the existence of a creator, in a laboratory. And many cannot form a liable conclusion based only on the facts at hand, and I am not afraid to say "I don't have all the answers." And I am not ignorant enough to believe that saying so would hinder advancement of the human race.

Especially us commoners who really don't have any advanced education in the subject, should not go into raging debates with other people over what is right or wrong on the issue. Us commoners saying "I don't know" would probably promote progress, not hinder it.

I am not an evolutionary biologist, an astrophysicist, a mathematician, etc, and I don't pretend to be as smart as one. So I quite gladly reply to the origins debate with an "I don't know" and promote other people to do so as well.
10:50 AM on 10/10/2012
A good article and important discussion for parents and schools ; I wonder that there isn't more of a
flexibility, a nod in these public debates and commentaries to those perfectly intelligent Americans who happen to believe that God's existence is not dependent on whether or not evolution is real; science and God can quite happily co-exist. Our knowledge of either hard science or the spiritual/religious realm is far from static; we continue to learn and evolve. To be certain that one is pure truth and must cancel out the other, without exception, is pure arrogance.
bbailey123
Uteri of the world, UNITE
12:49 PM on 10/11/2012
you may "evolve but many people don't.
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KingLeer
11:28 PM on 10/09/2012
I suppose "God" means the christian one or three. And a particular sect of christianity at that - all the other sects being wrong and whose menbers are doomed to face being brought back to life and being put on a spit, being seared enough just to suffer and not expire, magicaly, for ever and ever. I was about to test this theory when I got distracted by a UFO on my front lawn. They communicate through meditation and say that we should love each other and our future will be zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
02:04 PM on 10/09/2012
The National Academy of Sciences (Advisers to the Nation on Science, Engineering and Medicine) has recently published a new online book that is available for everyone to read free of charge: Thinking Evolutionarily: Evolution Education Across the Life Sciences: Summary of a Convocation http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13403&page=R1

Great Book!
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theot58
..and the truth shall make you free.
01:41 AM on 10/13/2012
I had a lookg at it but I would not classify it as "great book".

I am very disapointed by the NAS info on the topic of evolution. For an evidence based institution their so called "evidence" proving Darwinian/Macro evolution is weak indeed.
It is mostly sciency sounding gibberish that is satisfying only to the superficial evolutionists and not at all satisfying to the critical thinkers.
11:01 AM on 10/18/2012
Anyone who has read all your comments know that you wish to discredit not only Charles Darwin but also the National Academy of Sciences by your rude comments.

People interested in learning about macroevolution can go to Science.gov (1) then type into their search engine *macroevolution*.

EXPLORE, learn, and have fun! May you have a great day.:)

1. http://www.science.gov
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Pam Cheney
Great balls of fire! And don't call me sugar!
01:28 PM on 10/09/2012
Science theory by definition must produce results that are repeatable and verifiable by others. There is no "theometer" so creatisim/intelligent design fail to meet basic scientific methodology. An idea that cannot be disproved does not make it true.
12:08 PM on 10/09/2012
Thanks Steve for another great article! :) I suspect creationists want to burn my ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA.

THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES
BY MEANS OF NATURAL SELECTION
THE DESSCENT OF MAN
AND SELECTION IN RELATION TO SEX
BY CHARLES DARWIN

GREAT BOOKS OF THE WESTERN WORLD
Robert Maynard Hutchins, Editor in Chief
[Volume] 49.
DARWIN

William Benton, Publisher
1952
by ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, INC.
Twenty-Eighth Printing, 1986
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 55-10355
International Standard Book Number: 0-85229-163-9

Steve, thanks for your continued help.
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09:53 PM on 10/08/2012
I love reading the comments from the weak minded, under-educated creationistic plebeians out there. The real reason you fear evolution is because of that quiet little doubt in the back of your mind that says "what if?" You've become so deeply entrenched in your nicely little labeled boxes that you're unable (or unwilling) to see that there's something out there beyond what your rule book says there is. You're all paranoid children, thinking that you're being watched in case you might accidentally break one or two of your arbitrary rules. Honestly, is your faith so weak that some empirical scientific findings can shatter it like glass upon jagged rocks? Or is it just that you're too busy watching NASCAR and shooting at beer bottles with a .22 to care? People that are unwilling to even try and actually understand how evolution works are simply below contemptible.
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03:43 PM on 10/11/2012
Hey. Easy there D! I shoot targets with my .22 and have no doubt in the veracity of the theory of evolution. On everything else you said, I enthusiastically agree.
09:41 PM on 10/08/2012
This is why people don't believe in God. Along with Einstein, I don't think there is a God. If you do believe, I'm glad you find comfort from a superior being actually caring about you personally. My own belief is that if you do not believe in God and do believe we are just more advanced animals than chimps, we prove we're more advanced animals by believing in the Golden Rule and all the other good things religion teaches.

In my mind, we are a more advanced species to set up societies to care about others when there is no heaven or hell to provide the motivation. - maybe we are on a par with ants and bees . . .
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03:44 PM on 10/11/2012
Careful not to insult the ants and/or bees.!
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Aramingo
The Wizard of Ahhhs
09:06 PM on 10/08/2012
Would it upset anyone to point out that the creation story in Genesis is a variation of an older polytheistic story from Sumer? In the Sumerian version, six gods created the world in a day and then rested. There is a one to one correspondence between the six gods of Sumer and the six days in Genesis. It might be coincidence, but..
08:49 PM on 10/08/2012
I would caution you against posting direct links to the AiG website. Doing so gives it power in the eyes of search engines.
09:46 AM on 10/08/2012
I can solve the problem of creationism and evolution being taught in schools in three simple words, so that we can focus our energies of educating our kids (I recently read we're 25th in the world in math & science now). The three words: God created evolution. Problem solved, can we all move on now? Our kids are getting dumber while we debate this BS.
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Mac Howard
Thank god we got convicts, you got the puritans
12:34 AM on 10/09/2012
The problem with God creating evolution, apart from the fact there is no evidence for it whatsoever, is that people like to think of God as compassionate. And the idea of the dog-eat-dog, one species survives on the deaths of others, process doesn't seem to sit well with this compassionate God. THAT in fact was the Church of England's opposition to Darwin when he first published and was not men from monkeys.

Teaching children nonsense for an easy life is a poor kind of education.
07:37 PM on 10/09/2012
Let's not teach "God created evolution."

There is no evidence for a god, it's not scientific, and adding god to the explanation for evolution is not needed.

Evolution is the only thing needed to be taught in school, in terms of science.
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theot58
..and the truth shall make you free.
05:37 AM on 10/08/2012
I disagree with this article on various points.
The statement "Historians of science note that among the community of practicing scientists, serious doubts about evolution faded by the 1870s." is provable wrong.
There is significant dissent from Darwinism. For proof of the dissent to go http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/ and download the list of brave scientists who are willing to publicly declare their dissent from Darwinian/Macro evolution. Micro Evolution is observable science, Darwinian/Macro evolution is a fairytale supported only by propaganda.

Further there is no attemp made to define the key term.
“Evolution” is a vague word. The main defintions in the text books are:
1) "change over time", this is silly as it is stating the flaming obvious.
2) Micro evolution is minor changes within a species, this is real and observable and uncontested.
3) Darwinian/Macro evolution (where the conflict is) which asserts that:
a) All living things had a common ancestor. This implies that your great….. great grandfather was a self replicating molecule.
b) The observable world has come into existence by totally natural, unguided processes and specifically WITHOUT the involvement of an intelligent designer.

Dr John Sanford (Geneticist and inventor of the GeneGun) said .
“The bottom line is that the primary axiom [of Darwinian/Macro evolution] is categorically false,
you can't create information with misspellings, not even if you use natural selection.”
11:45 AM on 10/08/2012
b) is just plain wrong. I was never taught in any of my science classes to believe anything about the existence or lack there of concerning a supreme being or designer. Matter of fact my 5th grade science teacher (a deacon at the local Baptist Church) held there was nothing contradictory about belief in God and Evolution.
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theot58
..and the truth shall make you free.
12:01 AM on 10/09/2012
Please go to your local library and read what the text books are saying.
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CanadianSkeptic
Amazingly, thinking can solve most problems
01:39 PM on 10/08/2012
"I disagree with this article on various points."
~~~Of course you do...

"There is significant dissent from Darwinism. For proof of the dissent to go http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/"
~~~~This is an ulimately meaningless list. Go to the NCSE's list of Steve's [http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve]. This is tongue in cheek response to Dissent From Darwin but has a very serious point too. There are about 880 people listed on Dissent from Darwin (estimating 44 names per page and 20 pages). There's over 1200 scientists named Steve (or a derivative thereof, i.e. Steven) who signed in support of Darwin. Furthermore, 880 scientists makes up less than a fraction of 1% of scientists around the world. In short, Dissent From Darwin is meaningless.

Finally, if any of these people had any real evidence, then why don't they publish it? Oh right, I forgot. There's a global conspiracy to keep evolution true. A conspiracy so pervasive that every major university is in on it, yet so simply that someone like yourself, with no science education, can figure it out. Yeah...riiight.
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
04:12 PM on 10/08/2012
[880 scientists makes up less than a fraction of 1% of scientists around the world. ]

Although that's technically correct, I would have said something like "a minute fraction". There are many millions of scientists; 880 is spit in the ocean. It's a rounding error.

No, it doesn't rise to the level of a rounding error. :)
09:47 PM on 10/14/2012
As much as I love your post, you realize that Theot58 hasn't posted a reply to it and will not post a reply to it. The moment after he/she read it he/she pretended it no longer existed and like every other religious fundamentalist I know will just repeat the same old claptrap. I can guarantee that in the next commentary on evolution versus creationism he/she will post the exact same argument. This is why I stop having these debates. These people are too think to comprehend an argument.
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Ortist
04:28 PM on 10/07/2012
ammrass, there isn't a controversy to teach. In every other discipline, the opinions of the experts are valued over that of the know-nothings. You can declare the earth to be flat if you wish, but your opinions don't pass the "smell test". You would be laughed out of the PTA meeting if you proposed teaching flat-earth theory in a geography class. Same with evolution, except a slightly larger body of vocal know-nothings exist. The professionals with the education needed to understand biology and evolution stand overwhelmingly against the know-nothings.
02:53 AM on 10/08/2012
Sorry, the "professionals with the education needed to understand biology" are totally at the mercy of the"know-nothings" who vote for the pandering politicians who control their funding. Science education is becoming a joke and I have to check the kids schools to see what they're being taught.
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Ortist
11:16 AM on 10/08/2012
I went to an open meet-the-teachers night at the high school and a teacher spent his fifteen minutes telling parents what minimum their kids needed to do to pass his course. I was sure I wouldn't be the only parent asking what he actually was going to teach them. But no, all other questions were to reassure parents that their kid would pass. Yes, parents are the problem, and it's far too easy for a poorly educated parent to listen to the squeaky wheels on the loony fringe. And so the cycle goes.
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James T Kirk
Beam me up Scotty... No green women here!
01:28 PM on 10/07/2012
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

~Epicurus

Athiests.... Winning since 33 C.E.
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CabinAgue
We are ALL in this together.
04:06 PM on 10/07/2012
"I too am an Epicurean" - Thomas Jefferson (and CabinAgue!)
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
04:12 PM on 10/07/2012
Or perhaps there's more to understanding God than meets the human eye.
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James T Kirk
Beam me up Scotty... No green women here!
04:29 PM on 10/07/2012
I understand already.... god doesn't exist... Just the weak minded who feel a need for something larger than themselves and something to blame when things don't go their way.