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The Problem With the Gays: What Happened to Our Style Gene?

Posted: 03/25/2011 11:02 am

Not long ago I was introduced to a few staff members at my New York publisher's offices as the author of a book on gay and lesbian manners. Asked what it covered, I said, "Everything from coming out to dating and dressing for success." Without missing a beat, two staffers jumped in: "I thought all gay people have good manners!" with the other adding, "Gay men sure have the style gene. Why would they need help?" Not wanting to be rude, I passed on the opportunity to say anything about the persistence, not to mention the inaccuracy, of these positive stereotypes.

Still, in my mind I couldn't help but picture the very boorish Rosie O'Donnell (whose ill-mannered feud with The View's Barbara Walters is now legend) and the perpetually rumpled Congressman Barney Frank as well as the sartorially challenged comedian, Bruce Vilanch. Style gene, indeed!

Fast forward two months, when a third -- and irritating -- example of a positive stereotype of gay men landed on my front door, literally. This time the affront came in the form of a column in my hometown paper, the Raleigh News & Observer, about a recent Diana Ross concert in Durham. Barry Saunders, the columnist, wondered why the audience, largely gay men "who should know how to dress for the occasion," had not in fact done so. Noting that the legendary singer is "the matron saint for many gay men," he couldn't understand why we had come clad in blue jeans and fleece jackets since "gays seem to be the arbiter of style."

Stereotypes are a tricky thing. For most, it's quite clear that there's little or no truth to negative stereotypes and that it's simply wrong to characterize the members of any large group with a one-size-fits-all cliché. Then, there's the fact that uttering a disparaging stereotype is socially verboten.

But what's wrong with positive stereotypes like "Asians are really smart and keep tidy to-do lists" or "Italians are great cooks." Simply, these notions perpetuate the same kinds of gross generalizations as negative portrayals -- that is to say they are frequently exaggerated, oversimplified, if not offensive. To boot, they prevent us from seeing members of a group as individuals. The Village Voice critic, Michael Musto, an out gay man, put it bluntly:

"Even a nice stereotype is still a reduction of a mass of people to a very limiting idea. It can be used to put all of us in a box rather than view us as folks with minds and styles of our own. So don't tell me I have good taste, honey. I'll tell you to eat a pile of dogsh*t!"

Dig an inch deeper and it becomes clear that these positive stereotypes aren't really as flattering as they might seem at first. Each one cloaks a negative portrayal. For example, if Asians are so smart and tidy, who isn't? The answer: Everyone else. Along these same lines, there's the infamous "damning with faint praise" remark uttered by Joe Biden as he challenged Barack Obama in the primaries: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." A nice pat on the back! -- except that such a "positive" statement implies that African-Americans aren't usually articulate, bright, clean or nice-looking.

This is not to exclude the pressure placed upon those who don't conform or fail to meet these arbitrary and generalized images. When I was in school, a Japanese-American friend of mine, who did not excel in math, said she felt both a sense of personal failure and a collective disappointment to her family and community. Similarly, a gay blogger recalled that while Queer Eye for the Straight Guy helped LGBT visibility, "It simply made the gays who didn't have lots of taste feel extra oppressed and shat upon."

Finally, there's the undue influence that these positive stereotypes have on us - sometimes guiding us in ways they shouldn't. Studies have shown that, all things otherwise being equal, an Asian programmer is likely to be hired for a job before someone of a different race, again (consciously or not) because of the positive stereotype that Asians have more aptitude for such a line of work. In a similar vein, those considered more attractive by employers are also thought to be better employees, get more job offers, usually at higher rates of pay. In short, positive stereotypes can fuel reverse discrimination.

All this takes us back to the Diana Ross concert in Durham. Perhaps the gay men in the audience fell short of the sartorial sensibilities we're assumed to have. The fact of the matter is that it's hard to distinguish gay men from straight ones and that most of us, regardless of sexual orientation, are sloppy louts who no longer dress up when we go out on the town -- even for a diva of Miss Ross's stature.

 

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crayola 08b
i'm just a little crayon in a big box.
06:14 PM on 03/31/2011
i've known quite a few straight men who are so meticulous about their looks and labels (designer labels) that i'd get a bit of a complex. sometimes i'd think to myself, "waitaminute, i'm supposed to be the gay one." one time i told a straight male coworker that he was gayer than christmas. i don't think he appreciated that too much. but still, he was.

anywho, i do think that overall gay men have an innate sense of style that, over the decades, straight men have adopted more and more. that's where the whole metrosexual lable comes into play. though sometimes i'm not sure if our influence was a good thing or not. it's weird being out-gayed by a straight.
01:50 PM on 03/28/2011
I don't think gay men are many more predisposed to style than herterosexual men. I think that popular culture embraces a certain stereotype of gay men and that stereotype has creeped into our collective consciousness.
I have very stylish male friends, gay and heterosexual. I have very unstylish male friends across the spectrum as well. My lesbian friends are far more stylish/attractive than the majority of my heterosexual women friends.
04:12 AM on 03/28/2011
Well, typically it's Americans in general who don't know anything about how to dress well. Go to France, London or Italy and the majority of men there put the ones here to shame. Of course, all men aren't required to dress well to be admitted into the gay club and to suggest otherwise is ignorant and foolish.
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04:13 PM on 03/27/2011
since stonewall...style will not get you civil rights.
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tippisheadrun
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02:01 AM on 03/27/2011
This thread has had the MOST sane, respectful, intelligent and informative commentary that I have perhaps encountered on the HuffPo. I hope nobody finds that offensive or sterotypical!

Love to know that some gay men were as amused as I was with Tom Ford's self-important drivel.
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07:40 PM on 03/26/2011
I dont have the style gene but I do have a sense of what feels right to wear. I could not pull off a highly styled runway look but I can pull off the sexy approachable look without all the fuss. Simple, to me, is sexy and I am no model or gym daddy but I work with what I have and people respond to this. My partner wears old t shirts and is only 5'5", so he rolls up his jeans to fit....this is a man who could afford to wear great clothes and have them tailored but that would not be him. Not everyone without a "look" needs one.
07:39 PM on 03/26/2011
My boss asked me (a gay man) if "Queer Eye..." was an insult to gays. I said, no, it was an insult to straights! Anyway, I don't have an extra sense of style nor do I cook any better than anyone else. I have impeccable manners that I can haul out when needed, yet that was due to being raised correctly by grandparents and parents who valued such things, not because of my sexuality.

Of course, if I have to be hit from every direction by stereotypes, which Apparently I Do, these aren't so bad...
04:34 PM on 03/26/2011
Say there’s a room with 1000 people in it, and we know that 995 are straight and the other five are gay. We get to meet just one of these people, named Jack, picked randomly from the group. We learn that Jack is 45-years-old and has no children. He has little interest in sports and is generally liberal. He loves musicals and works as a singing waiter. Is Jack straight, or gay?

The Brain stereotypes automatically without our control..unless we cater to our lazy mental habits.

Jack actually is straight, this is a person I know here in New York.

Stereotyping isn't a social issue, it's a neurological one at the core.
garystartswithg
el sueno de la razon produce republicans
07:38 PM on 03/26/2011
stereotyping is generally based in ignorance. i am blessed with lots of asian friends and surprisingly enough some do go to prominent univerisities and most don't.
i think an appreciation of musicals depends on where you live. I lived in Orlando and could count on one hand the number of people who knew who Sondheim was. Maybe Sweeny Todd changed that but I doubt it -- that is one place that lives down to its stereotyping.
I live in Atlanta and when I found out our zip had the highest percentage of gay themed movie rentals on netflix I did't attribute it to just the gay population -- we have lots of kids from Ga Tech and SCAD that like good movies no matter the theme. If you just look at the numbers you might miss that. What my zip code, and in fact my district is is very liberal, probably one of the most liberal in the coutnry, and that surprises people who stereotype the south.
08:46 PM on 03/26/2011
specifically it's based in the brain or the frontal lobe.. Stereotyping is a by-product of how we process information. Stereotypes and labels are shortcuts for the brain used to conserve energy and resources. The problem comes when we use no logical or rational basis to "interrupt" the process and make a rational judgement. That I think, comes from early childhood parenting & schooling. People aren't taught how to think. They aren't taught that, "your brain circuits" can be rerouted, thus making it much easier to comb through the daily mass of information easily. Instead, the brain and it's been shown in many studies, opt for what's easier in the moment to conserve brain energy. The solution is to actively seek awareness to halt the judgment in moment and think over the issue before you speak, most just let whatever's been programed in their brain to "fly as it may."
03:20 PM on 03/26/2011
Many of us have joined 44 million other Americans living below the poverty line and are more concerned with putting food on the table than pleasing your eye.

Not all of us, of course, mega-millionaire Tom Ford just wrote an article about how important it is to spend hundreds of dollars on an outfit, because we have a duty to be visually pleasing.
garystartswithg
el sueno de la razon produce republicans
07:12 PM on 03/26/2011
I loved Tom Ford's article because it shows what a horror just about anyone can be given a chance -- I know what he was driving at, but it came off more Marie Antoinette. Greenwich has been abandoned for Brooklyn and he missed that memo because he can afford to. The arrogance of "a man should work" in the middle of a recession was stupifying. Makes me wonder what work Tom would do without daddy. If you lose your job the cojones don't fall off, I am happy to report that from experience.
It would be just lovely if all us poor folk could dress like Italian immigrants, maybe Tom could provide the wardrobe.
07:20 PM on 03/26/2011
I realize my comment sounds a bit jaded. It can be jarring here, to read about poverty, the recession, the attack on labor and on LGBT civil rights right alongside "how to dress stylishly!" and a day in the life of Gwenyth Paltrow."

I have no beef against fashion, it is just jarring on the senses to comb over this site anymore.

I wonder if the mega rich who babble on the internet now, realize how they sound to the average reader who is probably facing foreclosure, hunger, or long term unemployment with no aid.
03:18 PM on 03/26/2011
They DO still have style.
Style is changing from the candy colored formal wear of the 80's and buttoned up prep style of the 90's to a more down to earth casual look blending with the "t-shirt and jeans" aesthetic of "nerd culture".

Basically, it's time to say goodbye to the out-dated "flashy gay guy" stereotype and say hello to the arguably more approachable "quirky gay nerd". Style evolves, sometimes in ways we don't all like.
07:41 PM on 03/26/2011
none of what you say has anything to do with sexuality. It is about changing styles. What am I missing?
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01:07 PM on 03/26/2011
Most of the Gay people I know dress "corporate". Style takes a back seat to making a living.
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11:25 AM on 03/26/2011
Quick! Let's abolish stereotypes!

And while at it, let's also abolish prejudice, hate, intolerance, pain, debt and wars.

Wake me up when done.
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10:42 AM on 03/26/2011
Stereotypes are unavoidable, and from a cognitive standpoint, as often as they offend, they help us navigate a very complicated social world. Take this article for example, denouncing the inaccuracy and oversimplification of the style stereotype; however, the stereotype that gay men like Diana Ross proved true for the Durham journalist. Sure, not all gay guys like Diana Ross, but a high proportion of gay men do like fashion.

When we have the opportunity and the energy, we should step outside of our heuristics and consider the power of the individual....but since that rarely happens, we might as well go ahead and recognized that stereotypes have value.
08:26 AM on 03/26/2011
So true.
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12:38 PM on 03/25/2011
This article is so true, I used to have to tell our friend to put on a decent looking jacket when we were going out to dinner or a concert. I finally got him trained to that. BTW my hubby and I are senior straight white people, and our friend is none of the above. No such thing as a fashion gene in my estimation.