Tumbling Dice

Posted February 1, 2008 | 05:16 PM (EST)



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So it comes down to a roll of the dice.

Clinton and Obama showed themselves to be everything the Republican candidates aspire to and insist they are but will never be, given their mad aversion to introspection and their inability to utter basic truths. Watching those guys on a dais is like looking at one of those metal ball-clacking desk toys, except that instead of steel spheres the candidates resemble a row of strangulated testicles smacking together moistly. It's that revolting. In fact, as I wrote that I felt queasy. And I like desk toys.

But both Hillary and Barack showed why they deserve to be where they are, that they are capable, articulate, present, thoughtful, inspiring and real (as much as ideological constructs can be, but hell---their my ideological constructs). Why? Because they spoke sooth. They didn't mince words. They didn't descend into the snitty bickering that gives Republican storm troopers the only erections they can manage without a splint and a smudged DVD of Bedtime for Bonzo. They maintained the wisdom, the intelligence and the civility that has been sorely lacking in the 7+ years of the Bush putz-a-thon. And come on: don't tell me when the full boat of Dem candidates was on stage those weeks back, one didn't think they should all just be put in office at once, a sort of Justice League of America in Arrow shirts, each an expert in their respective fields, doing what humble service to their country bred them to do. It would be as easy as taking out the old, gunk-encrusted spark plugs bought in a cut rate chop-shop and replacing them with a whole new set, shiny, efficient and goddamn ready to fire up every time.

But now we come to the crux of the biscuit: how do we play it?

The other side is so engorged with hate for Hillary, so overcome with frothing, teeth gnashing insanity on the subject that they just might be able to mobilize their fractured foundation and rally in flawless formation, employing their standard issue onslaught of base, dirty play. It would be a rout, followed by a veritable nuclear winter of a Mccain/Romney administration. I can see the tufts of hair falling without even being pulled out by my withered, bony fingers.

If Barack steps into the thunderdome then we'll really see what the opposition's made of. Will all their inherent deep-seated terror of the Black Man bubble to the surface? Will all their inner Trent Lotts and David Dukes and Strom Thurmonds eat their way through the husks of "compassionate conservatism" to spill onto the floor at the feet of their equally freaked out constituencies? Either way you slice it, Hillary and/or Obama would be striking at the very heart of the red-eyed beast. And when it's cornered, woe to the world.

So what to do? Probably what most normal, well meaning, moderate people don't want to do: fight like hell. This is England during the Blitz, y'all. The V-2's are gonna start raining down. We've seen it before. It's not just historic that a woman or an African-American might very well become president of The United States of America. It's historic for the citizenry of those United States to use its constitutional responsibility and wrest power from the hands of those who have so mightily and tragically abused it, and place it into the firm trust of either Hillary or Barack.

Let's roll.

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Clinton/Obama 08 Obama/? 16'
The media is choosing Obama and McCain.It is time for us to stand up and stop letting the corporate media lapdogs control this Country. We not only need serious changes in leadership,but need to overhaul the media monopoly. 91 percent of talk radio is hateful GOP crap. We need the truth about what our Government is doing.They represent us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 02/03/2008

This country has been veering so far to the right for the last 25 years that the current Democratic candidates would be best described as moderate Republicans, in 20th century terminology. The only Democrats in the race are gone - Kucinich and, to a lesser extent, Edwards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 02/03/2008

I think what we all really need to do is to start respecting every individual Democrat's decision to support whomever candidate and stop fighting with the wrong people, start fighting with the right ones. That being the ones on the right who still think the Iraq war and occupation was a good idea, that still think cutting taxes for rich folks will somehow fix the economy, and think that health care is a privilege reserved only for those who can afford it. As far as I'm concerned, both remaining candidates are against those things...it's all a matter of whose background you like the most. I like Obama's because I like the legislation he sponsored while he was in Illinois. But I can respect someone supporting Hillary Clinton because they might like what she's done in the Senate, too. The insults that have to go out though are the ones from idiots who accuse anyone who'd support one of the remaining two of being sheep herded by the media, or whatever. Most folks made up their opinion a long time ago...whether it's because they were enthralled by charisma, or whether they researched the candidates platforms on their websites, whatever...if your guy is already out, respect other people's opinions if you seriously don't want McCain taking over in 2009 and declaring war on Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 02/03/2008

But what to do about Bill, Hillary fans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 02/03/2008

Let's unite behind Clinton-Obama in 2008 & 2012. This would be an unbeatable ticket! Then let's unite behind Obama-? in 2016 & 2020 after he has more national experience under his belt.

Yes, let's roll!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 02/03/2008

Steven
I always look forward to your posts-and this one is great. You are so right-it is time to fight like hell-the red-eyed beast awaits. It is time for decent people to stand up to the evil and hypocrisy of the Republican party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 02/02/2008

Wow, those are some pretty high expectations for Barack or Hillary, so I ask why such high expectations when neither Bill Clinton nor the current Democrat majority in Congress has even scratched the surface in this direction?
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 02/02/2008

God, I love this blog. Funny, intelligent and insightful. I am still laughing at the splint and Bedtime For Bonzo riff. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 02/02/2008

Hillary is hated on the left and the right. What the left has to understand is that the majority of America is right of center, not left, and that the left has lost the wars before Bill Clinton, and after Bill Clinton. He is hated and despised by the right because he was able to push through liberal causes while he was the president. Not because he is a despicable human being, but because he halted the right-wing agenda in its tracks. Now Hillary herself is still the only Democratic candidate that mainstream America will find acceptable. That includes a coalition of women, African Americans, Latinos, and whites. To prove my point, Fox News had 8 of the top 10 news shows! Eight!!! That statistic goes a long way towards explaining why CNN and MSNBC are shameless in trying to shape the news, instead of reporting the news. A few years ago, a liberal news columnist was questioning Neilsen's apparently inaccurate ratings when Texas Walker Ranger was consistently in the top 10, yet she nor anyone she knew, or anyone they knew, had ever watched that show. It was only after investigating the ratings region by region that she found out the ratings were true. Millions of American were watching Texas Walker Ranger and that it was her world that was small. Wake up liberals and progressives before you blow it again and in January, 2009 you're weeping and wailing, holding a candlelight vigil on the death of democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 02/02/2008

It's about time that the good ol' USofA had a face off between its nativist fascists and its hope for the future.

Sure, Hillary/Barack will be flame to the reactionary tinder. But they will also be a jolt for "we are all one people." As with every battle, those who get there firstest with the mostest and struggle as if our life is at stake (and it is) will win.

The GOP turned politics into a war. Now we have the kind of leadership ready to take them on. About the fascists in our midst, I say, to quote a current source, "Bring them on!" We will never be more ready for a new New Deal than right now. Damn right we can win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 02/02/2008

Great Post Steven(as Usual)

No "Sympathy for the Devil" (GOP) this time around!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 02/02/2008

No doubt we need to "fight like Hell". This is about stopping the decline of America and saving Earth from our unrelenting assaults. Sounds over-dramatic I know but thats the way it is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 02/02/2008

Steven ~ this is indeed a fabulous post about the merits of both Barack Obama & Hillary Clinton (it's so hard to pick between them...); & I agree 100% with you, that either one would far outshine/far surpass any of the Republican hopefuls. If McCain, for example, were to get the Rep. nomination, the Democratic Party has to unite no matter what the differences & personal preferences in order to ensure that another loose prowar cannon doesn't make it into the White House!

Thanks,

Kelli

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 02/02/2008

In the movie Cool Hand Luke, the warden mistakenly identifies the problem a tortured prisoner has with the prison as basically" a failure to communicate".
Similarly, both HRC and Obama mistakenly claim what the US has is basically a "failure of leadership".
Sadly, neither a "smarter" warden, nor a warden who promises to get the guards to cooperate offers real promise of needed change.
Both HRC and Obama blithely ignore the military-corporate institutional powers that currently drive our economy, our policies, and our politics regardless of political leadership. Oh sure, they both say they will more cleverly manipulate those powers, thanks to past experience or innate wisdom. But they do not intend to reduce funding for military programs! Instead, both promise to INCREASE funding.
Obama"s website pledges to "EXPAND" the military.

Obama at the recent debate:
"American interests are going to be protected"...

and
"I mean, the terrorist threat is real. And precisely because it's real -- and we've got finite resources. We don't have the capacity to just send our troops in anywhere we decide, without good intelligence, without a clear rationale."

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If the"interests" to be protected are the currently accepted ones, Obama"s promised change will not be that noticable.

We currently spend a trillion dollars yearly on US militarism, way more than the rest of the world combined. That spending has deformed our economy AND our politics, and has produced the same deformities in other nations. Our domestic social and material infrastructure is neglected. The pursuit of "full-spectrum" economic and military dominance is now considered "essential". We consider it "vital" to seek military bases and control over resources just in order to continue America"s full-spectrum dominance, never asking if such supposed dominance is "vital" for America.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA24Ak04.html

We ought to have less faith that our leaders will effect change. They will only bring about positive changes insofar as they are pushed from below.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 02/02/2008



Weber's right; we will see 'the others' start playing dirty very soon. Get ready for a lot of 'Hussein' ads...


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 02/02/2008

Barack - You are not superior to Hillary. I heard you say, "I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is, could she get the people who voted for me?" I'm smart enough to realize your "new democratic coalition" of voters does not include me. I will vote for Hillary because she will represent me. She is better on health care, immigration, energy and national security policies.

She offers a bridge - You want to tear it down!

Barack - You do not have better judgement on national security. The whole country believed as Hillary except for the pacifists. Hillary was right. The persons to hold accountable are Bush and Cheney. Shame on you for blaming Hillary. For you to claim superiority on national security issues fails. It will not be proven the right strategy against the republicans.

Barack - You are attractive to me when you display courtesy to Hillary. Your speeches or sermons do not. Your Obama girl does not. Beat up on Bush and Cheney.

Barack - You are clever but Hillary is smart. We need smart right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 02/02/2008

I refuse to buy into the notion that dirty Republican tactics will win this election. Anyone who thinks that is out of touch.

Look at the turnout in the primaries. If Dems can generate that kind of enthusiasm for primaries, imagine what will happen in the general election.

The Republicans are divided and in disarray. Either a 71-year old angry hawk or a spaghetti-spined, silver-spooned flip-flopper will be their nominee.

Dems must stay united. I would love to see Obama v. McCain. McCain can't use the immigration bludgeon or the tax cut bludgeon--he voted with the Dems on both. He can only use Iraq, which is highly unpopular--in case no one noticed. He will trot out abortion and gay marriage, but I really don't think the people will get fooled by that again.

It would be youth v. age, future v. past, hope v. fear, yes we can v. no we can't, an energized base v. a dispirited and divided base.

The Republicans are in big trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 02/02/2008

They may have "spoke sooth," Steven, but let's look at their voting records.

No... do it yourself. http://thomas.loc.gov.

Since both of these people, and it would seem, all of these candidates, are sitting United States Senators, their every move and utterance over the last many years have been dutifully recorded by the Congressional Librarians. "By their fruits shall ye know them," as they say.

A political candidate will say and do anything to get elected -- but more can be learned from how they vote in the middle of the night.

Had their words been worthy, they would have spent the last six years speaking them on the Senate floor.

They did not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 02/02/2008

Frankly Steven I'm not convince either of these candidates would not try to enjoy the many Priviledges this admin has granted the executive branch.
I am not convince they are not being Sponsored by the same Corporationists who have brought US the last 40 yrs of candidates and Pres (except Carter, wow they didn't see that one coming- probably the last election any Citizens vote was ever really tallied and vaildated)
As ususal we are being swept up by the marketing- whether we want to or not. MMMOOOWWW!!
IT'S NOT WHO THEY ARE IT'S WHAT THEY DONE (OR NOT DONE) THAT SHOULD DETERMINE THEIR 'FITTNESS' TO LEAD!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 02/02/2008

Only the Democrats in a landslide year for them would put up a woman or black man to
grasp defeat from the jaws of victory. I'm all for a female or black as president, but not
in this power shift year where the GOP stands to lose all power. The risk is too great in this particular year to gamble that a monumentally historic change will actually happen. The focus this year should be strictly on taking away all GOP power not dividing up the focus on power shifting PLUS a woman or black man becoming president. Our eye is going to be taken off the ball and McCain is going to steal it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 02/02/2008

Weber...you nailed it. Love your posts. Eiter way it's historic. Either way, the Republican base has something to rally around. Either way, they're going to be scared and ready to fight...ugly. Either way, we better be ready for the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 02/02/2008

Were you on Ambien when you wrote this? Did you see the SC debate? Maybe it was told to them to tone it down in LA.

To say that it's only Republicans who have an "inherent deep-seated terror of the Black Man that will bubble to the surface" is CRAZY since it was over the last month Bill Clinton and the Clinton campaign played the race card so hard that black leaders around the country condemned him and drove Ted Kennedy to endorse Obama. And are you proud that YOUR industry does not have a black leader of a major network, movie studio, talent agency, etc etc! AND BET does not count! That's liberal Hollywood! Hollywood people fear blacks who live south of Olympic and East of Vermont...Not those strolling on Montana Ave where I'm sure you go for coffee on Sundays. GET REAL!

Yes, Republicans pretty much hate Hillary, but do you get out of LA (and I don"t mean the Shore Club in Miami!)? Go into the Midwest, PA, Down South...Do you think independents AND conservative Dems like Hillary? If you do, then your blind! AND, all you have to do is float around Huffington or KOS, do you think Hillary is LOVED on this site????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 02/02/2008

How does someone that wont vote for Hillary Clinton mean Obama is a bullshitter or lier. Thats just totally ASSinine. If the Dems lose to the Republicans again America has people like this to thank. Your racism and fear overrule any possible logic that may otherwise exist in your being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 02/02/2008

Remember it was Hillary (and Bill) that helped mid-wife this big red beast. Their triangulation and the "culture of cowardice" they created in Washington helped the fledgeling grow strong and mean.

Hillary's constant sucking-up to people like Rick Santorum helped fracture any meaningful opposition to the Republicans.

Bill (and the DLC)'s machinations helped start the Iraq War and Hillary's support has kept it going. Like Richard Nixon she is talking about failed strategies and new solutions, but like Richard Nixon, she has no intention of reversing course on Iraq.
Finally, the electoral base of the Democratic party was destroyed on their watch. No party has lost so much or fallen so far in so short a time as under the Clintons.

The people are taking the Democratic Party (and this country) back but it has been a hard struggle and it has been done in the face of brutal opposition from the Clintons and their minions.

This country will not get right politically until the Clintons are out of the picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 02/02/2008

The Clintons were not responsible for the divisive politics of the nineties. Bill Clinton reached his hand out many times and many times, pullled back a bloody stump. If you think an Obama nom will cause the Republicans to play fair, you are delusional.
I will work and vote for either Hillary or Barack. We need to turn this ship around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 02/02/2008
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